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Arstotska was real communism and it worked

  • SaniFlush [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    That can’t be real, westerners can’t remember Laos. It’s like it has a Somebody Else’s Problem field over it.

  • RussianEngineer [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    something that really annoys me is when people list members of the USSR separately to inflate their "countries communism failed in" list

  • refolde [she/her, any]
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    2 years ago

    Anyways just a reminder to not waste your time reasoning with the types of people who post this garbage, just sock them in the face instead.

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Wish we could completely ignore them but putting up some push-back and counter-arguments and then leaving early on to spare your brain cells is the best way to deal with them. It signals to some onlookers that, no, there isn't a consensus that "gommunism bad" while not getting dragged into bad-faith arguments.

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Ngl, I wish I could just shove those "not real socialism!" types who feel the need add to the "conversation" into a locker.

    Yes, it was real socialism and yes, we uphold it in spite of everything. Aside from Cambodia (which I'm sure the shitheel who made this cartoon is 100% aware of its support by the US).

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Just dripping with doublespeak and anonymous or unnamed sources.

        They somehow acknowledge the sanctions and embargo, but manage to try and spin it as a failure of the Cuban government and not active economic warfare by the United States.

        It also fails to acknowledge that these migration crises are not a new phenomenon in Cuba and they have yet to collapse the country or it's government, a government that boasts an approval rating 30% higher than the US government.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    2 years ago

    I know there are people who use the "it wasn't real communism!" line (primarily radlibs, trots, and certain annoying kinds of anarchists) but i gotta say, it's the most limpdick fucking argument a self-identified communist could make. I'll be the last person to advocate for uncritical support for "Actually Existing Socialism," but the obvious correct line is "yes USSR etc. was communist, yes it was flawed, no that does not mean that 'communism always fails.' communism's failure to live up to a utopian ideal is miles better than capitalism's abject success at creating an cruel, alienated, and fundamentally evil social order."

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Lately I've been doing this as a bit: "listen, I'm not an idealist, I believe in practical policies supported by data and the fact is that even at its worst the Soviet GULAG system had fewer prisoners serving shorter sentences than any of its contemporaries which is an incremental improvement that any rational person should be supportive of." Apply it to basically anything any communist government did or does, instant gold.

    • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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      2 years ago

      I mean, I've said it wasn't communism in that it wasn't a classless, stateless, moneyless society, but I agree that's what they were trying to get to and they were using what they thought were the best methods to get there.

      • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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        2 years ago

        I think this semantic quibble needs to be abandoned as well, or at least explained in clearer terms, because when you say it like that, the uneducated anticommunist-by-default just hears a validation of the works-on-paper canard. it's useful context to know that communism's 20th century practitioners didn't believe their work was fully complete, but that can't be seen as undermining what they did achieve.

  • FlintstoneSpiceLatte [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    So, on the other side....

    How's Nazi Germany doing? Oof, yeah. I forgot that your flawless utopia got its ass kicked by the failed state of the USSR. It'll work this time, right?

      • barrbaric [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I mean, liberalism is just fascism with extra steps, so from a certain point of view...

        • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          I stay reposting, the gap between liberalism and fascism is smaller than people think

          https://redsails.org/really-existing-fascism/

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    the ussr was much less involved with the formation of other socialist countries than these psychos imagine. meanwhile, the us has been genuinely involved in most if not all liberal "regime change"

  • Florist [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    If you wanna be 🤓 about it, you could say the horrors of communism are actually just the horrors of modernity, and that communism isn't exceptional in this regard

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      You might also say that "China Cuba to collapse in 37 Days!" is a headline we've been reading for decades.

      The Caribbean economies all suck. But even with a massive blockaid handicap, Cuba manages to outperform Haiti/DR, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, T&T...

      What is the secret spice that gives Cuba a higher standard of living than some American states? :soviet-hmm: