*US does something wrong and fucked up
"What are we, a bunch of asians?"
But one shoddily-built structure in China which was outsourced to the private sector collapsed one time! CCP owned! :mattjak:
Americans doing incredibly American things in America like Americans Americanly
"What are we, a bunch of asians?"
Russia's trains certainly operate with far fewer derailments than the US.
"Yeah! If they would have voted for the president that killed the railroad strike who appointed the transportation sec. that allowed Norfolk Southern to classify the cargo as non-flammable/toxic things would be so much better! Oh well, our team gave them what they deserve :liberalism:"
I'm sure that gleefully cheering on their suffering would encourage them to "vote blue" next election.
Liberals don't want to earn anything, they think they're owed victory simply for being slightly less monstrous than The Donald. This is the type of guy who cannot imagine being wrong about something.
The absolute fucking brain rot that is electoralism. Bad thing magically happen bc they boot for wrong color team :so-true: and not bc both parties have been selling out our infrastructure to the benefit of robber baron ass capitalists for ages. Clown shit.
I imagine these are the same blue dog liberals who blast "tankies" for liking "one-party dictatorships". Apparently, 2+ parties are needed for democracy but any arbitrary division of land that votes for the opposite party deserves to suffer like this.
I think that's a joke from most people whereas I don't see much irony in these comments, just pure electoral tribalism.
I'm sorry but nobody here is actually serious when they say they want to get nuked.
Not to the point of actually wanting to genocide people. It is just doomerism expressed through extremist irony.
I don't want to genocide the CEOs,bankers, lobbyists, cops, lawyers, grifters and politicians. I do unironically want to give them all the choice of a cyanide pill or living out the rest of their days in a forced labor camp with no possibility of parole.
i think they're fair game when we don't have control of institutions to Puyi them. Hinkley should've used a 45.
this will happen more and more as the US empire falls but also that empire keeps billions around the world in poverty and is killing the planet. It does need to fall
this didn't happen because of US financial imperialism breaking down. It's a result of institutional corruption and corporate cost cutting.
This could have happened at the height of US imperial power
no one here is celebrating the derailment we have posted in support of the people and worried about the ecological damage
That's actually a point I've been thinking about a lot but, to be honest, I've never seen a time when we were cheering at average Americans suffering, like during floods/outages/pandemics/etc. Most of the indignation present was directed towards the Bourgeois state itself which allowed it to happen. The times I do see the whole "Death to Amerikrakkkers" (ie, the people) bit flung about was frustration at Americans having shit political takes, on social media or on polls. Which isn't exactly harmless as you point out since it can breed outright misanthropic sentiments but it's not equivalent to these shitlibs mocking people for living in the "red" territories.
Every internet community has at least one kook they keep around for laughs until they go beyond the pale
Back when I was on an infamous Fallout fansite, there was this guy who went by Prosper who kept going on and on about how he was gonna make a multiplayer mod for Fallout 3
He'd post really poorly rendered 3D models and be like "Any day now!" and we'd call him a dumbass and move on with our days
Then it turned out he was sexually harassing one of the users via DM and we banned his ass faster than you can say "sassafras"
The only sectarianism I ever see here outside of anti-anarchist sectarianism is anti-trot sectarianism, which I guess would be a problem if there were any trots here lol
id need to see evidence that there were ever any actual trots here to bully.
oh fuck i wanna laugh but that would be secterianism
no but seriously trotskyism seems to be a big thing in south-america and might alienate people from there. there would need to be actual enforcement of the anti-ml stuff too, since trots are the primary source for that
I think Americans across the political spectrum (if they're politically active at least) are all starting to act more and more like this. It's part of political polarization getting worse, we all fucking hate eachother and want eachother to just fucking die. It is uh kind of a big issue with life here at the moment, and I don't see any "bridging of the divide" happening soon even if the govt bangs the war drums together in an act of imperialist bipartisanship against china or whatever.
Remembering :matt: talk about how, more and more, modern American democrat vs. republican politics has nothing to offer except making the people you hate suffer.
i read the top 4 comments and had to close the window. shit is disgusting as fuck, quite literally reviling in human suffering cause they think everybody effected voted a certain way, let alone the non voters too. such a heinous way to think
It's like watching medieval peasants throw rotten produce at a guy locked in a pillory.
Liberals still make fun of that Trump supporter who said, "he's hurting the wrong people".
I know it's not a popular opinion with the whole patsoc shit going around, but a lot of chuddy republicans have better scope for becoming decent people than well educated, class conscious neolibs. I'll take ignorance over malicious any day.
Thats how they get ya. They are malicious. If you act with hate to things you are ignorant about, you're malicious. They overturned roe v wade yo. I prefer them as an enemy because they recognize themselves as such and act accordingly. One has embraced false consciousness as a core component and you will never shake them of that and the other thinks they've already shaken their false consciousness and therefore any criticism is taken as criticism from the right.
Here's the cool thing tho. It doesn't matter at all to us! we don't need to care about which lost cause is less of one. A fuckload of people think both parties are trashbags and a hell of a lot just don't vote. Kill the wonk in your head. They are both liberal democrats with culture war differences and they're both my enemy for that reason. Simple as.
I would have previously agreed, but I've seen a few american republican acquaintances pull stunning reversals over the past few years to actually become serious marxists. I get what you're saying but it hasn't been my observation. I don't have anything of particular clarity to say... but it seems to me that workers are foremost workers, and conditions plus empathy can lead to significant changes in outlook even from chuds who's perceptions used to disgust me.
Personally, I hope that is the case, and not "wonk".
It depends on the chud. Materialism rears it's beautiful face again, what led to this person being a chud? Was it a false consciousness against immigrants and minorities that is fed to the working class or are they from owner backgrounds where they draw an actual material gain from maintaining that image? What is motivating their Chuddery?
I would consider the former to count among the disenfranchised, just in a different way. Disenfranchisement contains a lot of subcategories. Hell nazis are disenfranchised, but you gotta recognize the subtleties and reasons why one chud can be moved and not another or you're gonna waste a lot of time.
That's the thing, materialism doesn't care about red team vs blue team political self identification.
It's much more in depth than that.
If everyone is hostile and will never stop being hostile, and we can't just silence them, what do we even do?
Second paragraph.we appeal to those who are disenfranchised and do better at it. We need a dedicated and large enough plurality, not a majority.
Edit: once we have that ohhhhhh how they'll become silenced.
I highly doubt it. Like maybe some fringe cases, but if you are a person who self identifies as a republican you are more far gone than some blue Maga fuck; like the blue maga fucks generally dont want to commit genocide, they just dont care if it happens or is a cost of doing business. Proud republicns now are actively eager for throwing people in camps as their fondest hearts desire. Like maybe some of the people who happen to vote republican for one reason or another, but if it is self identification that ship has sailed.
There are no self identified republican isolationists. That's all just political posturing because their guy isn't currently in office. The second their special boi is back they will be gung-ho about killing anyone and everyone. Don't let yourself be deluded by the awe shucks affectation, I spent 5 years working with these fucks on job sites all over the place and they are more rabidly blood thirsty than any blue Maga dipshit. And before you ask I am not talking about your bog standard construction guy, I am talking about the foremen and tradesmen who listened to rush reruns in their truck while their guys did all the work. Most of your laborers were pretty non political and usually atleast decent, occasionally a good old school union guy.
Most of your laborers were pretty non political and usually atleast decent, occasionally a good old school union guy.
This is something that so many people, including some people on this website, continuously fail to consider. The vast majority of people who are actually reachable are politically apathetic and the slim minority are members of a third party. As soon as someone self-identifies as a member of the two parties, they're an op.
Not an op, but generally unreachable. And the self identification is important, because tons of people vote for R and D but have very little attachment to either, these people are very reachable; hell i vote for democrats and i hate the democratic party, but atleast they arent calling for my extermination. If someone has invested enough psychic energy, or directly benefits materially from, self conscious identification with one of the parties the only way to really get to them is if they have some kind of crisis or break that leaves them open to propaganda.
I'll take your word for it, but I have never met a republican who is actually an isolationist. Trump didn't start direct wars, but that's not because his hogs wouldn't like it, but luck and him being lazy, let's also not understate the significant increase in murders via drone he caused even over Obama who was a fucking drone psycho. Basically every hog I have ever met who has said that they "didn't want foreign entanglements" held that view only so long as it was politically convenient. The second an appropriate authority figure gave them permission to go they were completely gung ho about killing. Like I am not claiming the dems are better, as I said they don't mind a good genocide, it's just the cost of doing business for them not the main course. Basically anyone who self identifies with either of the political parties is committed to empire.
I've seen self identified republicans who previously celebrated some the grimmest of republican fantasies switch and abandon those positions over the past few years. It's not impossible. You could be right that they're fringe cases - a lot of people build up a perception of reality, built on reinforced hate, that is pretty fucking robust -- but as idealistic as this sounds, we have the actual legitimate truth on our side, and I've seen it change people once it finds a weakspot through their acidic reality bubble.
I think we are largely in agreement, i mostly said anything because i have noticed a trend to romanticize Republicans as more open to oersuasion, mostly i think out of a sense if anger at liberals; not claiming you are doing this, I don5 know I just happens to find the need to say so etching and you were the person that I did it too. Relayed to my response ro assorted biscuits, and you last sentence, the real thing to get self identified people to shift isn't their a priori ideology but a material and ostchic crisis that leaves them open to propaganda whole they reevaluate their world. I would also like to point out that in my personal life I have seen a marked slide to the left among left libs in the past 10 years. Like they aren't leftists now, but deteriorating material conditions has left them unsure and angry, especially at the pandemic response and the seeming failure, especially on the part of the Democrat response to, the blm protests. On the flip side most conservatives i know have doubled down on either its the immigrants, in its more mild form, or the jews/trangenders(glad to be lumped in with my Jewish comrades) in its more virulent. This is just my personal experience, and to reiterate in another form my 'self-identification' point I have also noted a sharper clinging of older more affluent libs to the democratic party and vicious hostility to any left challenge, though this is, not surprisingly, a generational thing that matches with generational wealth disparities.
but this is more of a federal issue and a democrat is president
