https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3873506-why-doesnt-the-global-south-support-ukraines-anti-colonial-struggle/
Why doesn’t the global south unconditionally support the imperialists that fucked it up in the first place?
While it’s true that many geopolitical issues are characterized by shades of gray, it is also true that some, perhaps even many, are black and white. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is one such case. Ukraine posed no imaginable threat to Vladimir Putin’s imperially minded, nuclear-armed, and fascist Russia: Ukraine’s army, economy and population were all significantly smaller than Russia’s and Kyiv harbored no aggressive designs.
I like how the global south offers an explanation for why they don’t support the west’s views, and the westoid proceeds to say “actually, you’re wrong”
Actually, the world has mounds of information about Russia, Ukraine, NATO, the United States, Europe, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Thousands of serious articles and books have been written about these actors, and scores of excellent articles and books deal with the war. All one needs to do to acquire more than a little information about the issues is to read. I’d be happy to provide Messrs. Mahbubani and Lula da Silva with bibliographies.
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Kyiv harbored no aggressive designs
the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine has entered the chat
An indeterminate number of corpses in the Donbass region would like a fucking word
The redditor that broke my brain on Ukraine was some social fascist who insisted Ukraine was a class war because the soldiers are working class. There aren't enough hands in the world to choke them sufficiently.
It's funny that Lenin was complaining about the same problem a hundred years ago and here we are.
How is the Ukraine war colonialism? Ukraine got invaded because of the reckless diplomacy and encroachment of a third party in the US and NATO, which poked the figurative bear in Russia. Colonialism was a new form of mercantilism and imperialism underpinned by pseudo scientific racial theory, especially in Africa. The Ukraine war is not colonialism as it is understood within the context of the age of exploration. It is a very bad thing for sure, but not colonialism.
This is what generations of Eurocentric miseducation causes, a fundamental misunderstanding of historical concepts and the rest of the world outside of the west. It is an insult to those that have suffered and continue to suffer under colonialism to talk like this. And westerners are suprised that they can't get people on their side to sanction Russia, when they talk like this, treating the world like a superhero movie where they are always right and everyone else is wrong.
Don't waste your time with this, these idiots use words with no regards to the meaning.
Colonialism may as well describe the times the Amazon tribes moved/settled across the river.
The age of Western imperialism is largely over. The age of Russian imperialism soon may be over. The Global South needs to recognize these facts if it wants to be on the right side of history by helping Ukraine to decolonize, resisting Russian empire-building, and thereby constructing a more just world order.
Lol. If someone wanted to help Ukraine decolonize you'd be giving up most of the country to kazakhstan and turkey, or you'd create a brand new tatarstan.
Not necesarily. when darius the king invaded the place he took over several cities inhabited by the bodi which are proably protslavs. So even then the horse nomads (scythians in tgat case) were ruling over a much larger settled population. So while the iranians eventually got replaced by turks these remained a small demografic minority of overlords.
To put the question differently, were the Tibetans partly wrong for having been invaded and annexed by China?
100% heckin' wholesome chungus Monks owning serfs and crushing skulls as a punishment for disobedience did nothing wrong.
I want to beat this person with a cudgel while saying IT WAS A FEUDAL SLAVE THEOCRACY and if they complain say WHAT'S THE MATTER DON'T YOU LIKE TIBETAN JUSTICE BEFORE THE PRC
Ah yes, The Tibetans. There were no divisions in that society, they all came out the womb bald and robe-clad, and they all had wholesome chi powers and spent all day meditating for sustenance. There was definitely no class conflict, no division of labor, no wretchedly poor servants in those gilded temples, no torture or prima nocta, no brutal theocratic slave society at all.
To the liberal, any country that isn't part of the empire or one of it's designated villains isn't really real. They see these places as little Small World ride-esque performances put on for their benefit, carried out by colorful groups of scampering servile stereotypes who all have exactly one Thing. The history of a region? Those people didn't really die, didn't even really ever exist, it's just the lore of this zone. Why are you talking about some old meaningless lore, we have to fight this boss! :some-controversy:
They will never care about the history, never truly see the people there as human, because the promise of American exceptionalism is that you don't have to. They already know all there is to know about Tibet. Tibet is when prayer flags. Tibetan is when orange robes. Enemy faction must pay for their lore crimes.
Good point, I wanted a way to say the other thing but wandered into historical innacuracy with what I figured would be a safe assumption
If the US cared about human rights, it would invade Singapore.
it has already invaded itself, that's why there are so many human rights abuses there. come on, this is basic history.
That's a natural feature, not an invasion.
If there aren't movies whining about how troops feel bad about dropping JDAMs on some suburbian HOA for bullying the troops over not cutting their lawns, it isn't an invasion
I'm absolutely tired of westoids using anti-imperialist language to justify their own imperialist behavior.
But Russia is literally an empire, ever heard of the CZARS :maybe-later-kiddo:
Actually, the world has mounds of information about Russia, Ukraine, NATO, the United States, Europe, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Thousands of serious articles and books have been written about these actors, and scores of excellent articles and books deal with the war. All one needs to do to acquire more than a little information about the issues is to read. I’d be happy to provide Messrs. Mahbubani and Lula da Silva with bibliographies.
More importantly, Brazil’s president identifies the real reason for the Global South’s attitude toward the war, Ukraine and Russia: ignorance. And since policymakers in the Global South know too little about Russia and Ukraine to make informed judgments, they appear to rely on Cold War-era ways of thinking — according to which the West is still an overbearing imperialist and will always remain so, while Russia is the champion of the Third World.
In reality, the Russian Federation, like the Soviet Union, is an empire and Ukraine, like many other non-Russian states, was a Russian colony. The West has an imperialistic past, but in this case it is unquestionably on the side of anti-colonialism. The Global South should be on that side as well.
The age of Western imperialism is largely over. The age of Russian imperialism soon may be over. The Global South needs to recognize these facts if it wants to be on the right side of history by helping Ukraine to decolonize, resisting Russian empire-building, and thereby constructing a more just world order.
Holy fuck. This patronizing western mindset is why people are telling you to go fuck yourself
The West has an imperialistic past, but in this case it is unquestionably on the side of anti-colonialism.
I remember this one from Syria, and Iraq, and Lybia, and...
"The imperialism is in our past" I say as I argue that people in the Global South are too stupid to know what's good for them
The west was never on the side of anti-colonialism. THE ANTI-COLONIAL STRUGGLE WAS AGAINST GODDAMN COLONIZERS I.E. THE WEST!
All one needs to do to acquire more than a little information about the issues is to read. I’d be happy to provide Messrs. Mahbubani and Lula da Silva with bibliographies.
policymakers in the Global South know too little about Russia and Ukraine to make informed judgments
The fucking gall.
This guy seriously needs to be shoved into a locker.
If I was Brazilian and on the fence about the war, reading this would convince me that the American side is as vile and disgusting as always.
Something something the diplomatic geniuses of the cold war are dying off and being replaced by out-of-touch failsons something something.
Why doesn't the global south, the largest group of countries, simply eat the others?
probably because the Global north has nothing to offer except unpayable loans that leads to social services slashing and bars from them to develop.
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''singapore''
lol ok the Dutch of Asia
I mean the Singaporean politician was explaining why Singapore and the world doesn’t follow the west
The second half of the article is just criticizing the global south for being too stupid and pro imperialism for thinking the west still wants to control them
“China visits and we get a hospital. The west visits and we get a lecture.”
Ah but surely the old [REDACTED] will be expecting some kinda recompense, yeah? No such thing as a free lunch innit??? :british-maw:
Ignoring entirely the (false) moral argument, a lot of those countries import food or fertilizer from Russia, so their hands are pretty much tied. The US asked them politely to starve their citizens and they said "uhhhhh no?". What did these people think was going to happen?
Clearly, the Global South is the last corner of the world that hasn't been infected with the Woke Mind Virus.
To publish this absolute rancid drivel with the intention of cynically browbeating people into supporting swastika-covered nazis in ukraine, all while Isreal is doing Krystalnacht in occupied Palestine...
The lowest circle of hell. The darkest room in the gulag. The very slowest setting on the woodchipper for these soulless fucks.
:frothingfash::the-democrat: :maybe-later-honey: :stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2:
For some reason, self-righteous libshits like these get under my skin more than actual fashoids, who don't make patronizing pseudo-leftist appeals like this. Not to "hand it to them", of course.
The moment the left starts talking about a concept, it WILL eventually make its way to the radlibs and from there to the regular liberals who will use it to justify supporting the status quo and acting against some bogeyman in the global south to justify a paternalistic hegemony over these areas who are "unable to govern themselves".
As I've said on here before, libs would co-opt Stalin somehow if it helped them advance their interests..
They did. There is old American ww2 propaganda that is pro Stalin. Dr. Seuss made some even.
Surely Japan was completely wrong to invade China in the 1930s and kill millions of Chinese. Nazi Germany was completely wrong to launch World War II in Europe and exterminate Jews, as was the **Soviet Union when it committed genocide in Ukraine in 1932-1933 ** and invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968.
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I’ve been seeing a lot of westerners ask this question. Foreign Policy asked the same question but concluded “the world doesn’t trust china but they want a multipolar world.” Lol. Need to cope even as you explain. They then spent the next half of the article gushing over biden’s surprise meeting in Ukraine, talking about how Biden is a railway enthusiast (no mention of Ohio)
Only the ‘other’ is ever completely wrong. The West has never had that happen, ever.
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