What is it with their obsession with trying to use shipping containers as houses.
Why do none of them realize that something that was designed to the bare minimum standard of not destroying products would be a good thing to live in.
There like, actual materials designed to be used to build homes, maybe fucking try using some of them instead of trying to recreate what was supposed to be a crazy dystopian example of housing.
This is like the dumbasses that keep reinventing a train.
Take a shipping container, but you have to ventilate it and have heating and cooling.
Oh and you're going to have to have some kind of plumbing sos you'll need some internal walls and some penetrations
Wow I just had a great idea you could actually put some wheels on it and you could easily move it to any available lot.
I used to love the idea of living in a container house for the price and the ecological impact of it, but after some research I found out that to make them livable they had to be modified so much that are just as "bad" as a normal house.
Additionally, you can't repurpose a used shipping container since it's nearly impossible to determine if and/or what hazardous materials have been shipped in one over the course of it's life. So all of these concepts rely on net new containers, which completely nullifies the whole point.
There are a lot of shipping containers that have been used only once, due to US/China exports imbalance. These are available at a good price, or at least were when I looked at this like seven years ago.
You have to insulate it too, there’s no getting around that. So the inside becomes smaller or you build a shell around the outside. More practical to just build a regular wooden house.
Everything is "pre engineered" that's just called design.
And they're not engineered for habitation they're engineered to transport goods that aren't sensitive to temperature, humidity, or oxygen levels (unless you're talking refrigerated ones but I don't know a lot of people who want their house to be 38 degrees)
Wooden shipping pallets are also portable and pre engineered that doesn't mean you should build a house out of them.
And it won't be an unventilated, 100 sf, 120 degree Faraday cage that will collapse on itself after it rusts away in a few years because the expected lifespan of a shipping container is 20 years before you cut a bunch of holes in it.
Oh yea I'm sure cutting a bunch of holes in it and then propping one end up and having it support itself plus the weight of all the building materials you added at an angle so it concentrates all of the force onto one short edge plus the unsupported span of the floor will drive that expectancy way up.
To put it plainly, shipping containers can get hot. Really hot. One study of wine shipments found that containers traveling between Australia and the US reached a maximum temperature of 122 degrees Fahrenheit (50 degrees Celsius) while at sea.[1]
Another study conducted by engineers at Xerox found that temperatures in shipping containers on land can drop as low as -21ºF (-29ºC) and reach as high as 135 degrees Fahrenheit (57ºC).[2] The researchers found that the greatest temperature fluctuations occur on land, though containers traveling by sea are still subject to intense heat.
Certainly they can get really hot in certain conditions. I do t think that is very relevant to the actual living conditions, but I have a small sample size. The ones I have seen have been pretty efficient.
I could say "this means the average temperature is a cool 45.5°."
I'm sure you could say that because saying incredibly stupid things doesn't appear to be an issue for you at all.
And yes I am interpreting "if a container sits in the sun it gets up to 120 degrees" to mean that if you leave a container sitting in the sun it will get up to 120 degrees. What are you suggesy8ng would cause these containers to behave differently from the ones tested. That's the whole thing about containers, they're all built to the same spec. Supposedly that's why you morons think they'd be a good option ao it's pretty funny for you to turn around and now act like that's some weird outlier.
If you can afford a shipping container you can afford a greater amount of building material for the same price, your complete lack of construction ability doesn't make them a better option.
Standard shipping containers are either 20 or 40 by 8 exterior dimensions.
So if you have exactly zero modifications or internal walls, so zero hvac electrical or plumbing and one open space you have about 200sq ft if it's on level ground which this isn't.
Your right it's actually higher than that as other people have cited. You literally responded to that comment describing the sun shining on them as "in certain conditions"
I've never seen a house built out of pallets collapse. It's almost like anecdotal evidence isn't worth a shit. The stated life expectancy from manufactures is 20 years if properly maintained and unmodified.
Thank you for being rhe best possible example of how this seems like a good idea if you're a complete fucking moron with zero construction experience, knowledge or ability.
Ok you convinced me please go live in one of these death traps that would actually be great you dumb sack of shit. I'll be praying for a heat wace.
Youve repeatedly admitted you have zero knowledge experience or skill and you're still arguing with me about it. I do this shit for a living.
Do you really not understand the difference in internal and external dimensions and how it affects living space calculations?
Who am I kidding of course you don't.
Seriously are you like an actual child who's still in high school or something because that's about the only way this much of a lack of practical knowledge would be excusable.
If your like 10 sorry I was so harsh, if not holy shit you're the dumbest person I've crossed paths with in a while.
On the contrary, new research from the University of Michigan shows that shipping container houses (and similar repurposed pre-engineered objects) are actually much more costly than you might expect: https://cadence.moe/PPB_Portable_Prefab_Buildings.pdf
you can't modify them in any way without compromising the structural integrity of these things. that crinkle isn't just for fun, its part of what makes the whole thing rigid enough not to fall apart. If you start cutting into that, you have to come up with a whole new support structure and might as well just build it normally.
What is it with their obsession with trying to use shipping containers as houses.
Why do none of them realize that something that was designed to the bare minimum standard of not destroying products would be a good thing to live in.
There like, actual materials designed to be used to build homes, maybe fucking try using some of them instead of trying to recreate what was supposed to be a crazy dystopian example of housing.
This is like the dumbasses that keep reinventing a train.
Take a shipping container, but you have to ventilate it and have heating and cooling.
Oh and you're going to have to have some kind of plumbing sos you'll need some internal walls and some penetrations
Wow I just had a great idea you could actually put some wheels on it and you could easily move it to any available lot.
Annddd it's an rv or a mobile home.
Under capitalism, laborers are a product.
the most wretched of commodities
Also they act like a Faraday cage so you can't use wireless devices in them without connecting to a router inside
Hey that's a 5g protection for free!
I used to love the idea of living in a container house for the price and the ecological impact of it, but after some research I found out that to make them livable they had to be modified so much that are just as "bad" as a normal house.
Additionally, you can't repurpose a used shipping container since it's nearly impossible to determine if and/or what hazardous materials have been shipped in one over the course of it's life. So all of these concepts rely on net new containers, which completely nullifies the whole point.
There are a lot of shipping containers that have been used only once, due to US/China exports imbalance. These are available at a good price, or at least were when I looked at this like seven years ago.
(Still plenty of other problems though.)
It's like those idiots who try to turn a pre-fab storage shed into a house but worse.
the capitalist's final dream is to (re)commodify labor.
You have to insulate it too, there’s no getting around that. So the inside becomes smaller or you build a shell around the outside. More practical to just build a regular wooden house.
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Everything is "pre engineered" that's just called design.
And they're not engineered for habitation they're engineered to transport goods that aren't sensitive to temperature, humidity, or oxygen levels (unless you're talking refrigerated ones but I don't know a lot of people who want their house to be 38 degrees)
Wooden shipping pallets are also portable and pre engineered that doesn't mean you should build a house out of them.
We should totally build houses out of pallets and force the rich to live in them though
They love stocks, so they should LOVE the stockades!
Damnit I was spoiling cabbage to throw at the rich but now it just turned into delicious kimchee
Counterpoint: Groverhaus
That was architect'd not engineered.
I hate architects as much as the next guy but I'm still pretty sure no architect'd'ing has gone into groverhaus
My comment was meant to further the conversation. Yours was meant to stop the conversation.
I can build a shipping container house that will fit on a price of leased property. I cannot build a pallet house at all.
I have gone back and forth on container homes. At the moment I see a place for them.
That's because it's a stupid conversation.
You know what else you cana build a house with.
Building materials.
And it won't be an unventilated, 100 sf, 120 degree Faraday cage that will collapse on itself after it rusts away in a few years because the expected lifespan of a shipping container is 20 years before you cut a bunch of holes in it.
20 years with very large portion of it on the sea exposed to the elements and with minimal to no maintenance. That's a very damn important detail
Oh yea I'm sure cutting a bunch of holes in it and then propping one end up and having it support itself plus the weight of all the building materials you added at an angle so it concentrates all of the force onto one short edge plus the unsupported span of the floor will drive that expectancy way up.
1,) No, I cannot.
shipping containers are not 100sqft.
they aren't 120degrees.
I have never seen one collapse on itself.
Either you are ignorant or disingenuous.
https://epgna.com/how-hot-do-shipping-containers-get/
Certainly they can get really hot in certain conditions. I do t think that is very relevant to the actual living conditions, but I have a small sample size. The ones I have seen have been pretty efficient.
Oh you're the guy who is like "certain conditions" like you've never in your life encountered a hot car in the summer
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something giant metal containers are famously immune from lmao
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I guess every time I've had to help throw a freight truck it's just been hellish inside after sunrise because of what space aliens
Do you know what the three methods of heat transfer are, person who just called me a luddite?
"Certain conditions" like "the sun being out"
You don't think the fact the internal temperature fluctuates between 125 and -21 degrees is relevant to living conditions?
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I'm sure you could say that because saying incredibly stupid things doesn't appear to be an issue for you at all.
And yes I am interpreting "if a container sits in the sun it gets up to 120 degrees" to mean that if you leave a container sitting in the sun it will get up to 120 degrees. What are you suggesy8ng would cause these containers to behave differently from the ones tested. That's the whole thing about containers, they're all built to the same spec. Supposedly that's why you morons think they'd be a good option ao it's pretty funny for you to turn around and now act like that's some weird outlier.
You really are a dolt huh
Have you checked out the Posting Policy Bulletin?
Aww. I'm gonna miss you.
Bro, where do you think you are?
If you can afford a shipping container you can afford a greater amount of building material for the same price, your complete lack of construction ability doesn't make them a better option.
Standard shipping containers are either 20 or 40 by 8 exterior dimensions. So if you have exactly zero modifications or internal walls, so zero hvac electrical or plumbing and one open space you have about 200sq ft if it's on level ground which this isn't.
Your right it's actually higher than that as other people have cited. You literally responded to that comment describing the sun shining on them as "in certain conditions"
I've never seen a house built out of pallets collapse. It's almost like anecdotal evidence isn't worth a shit. The stated life expectancy from manufactures is 20 years if properly maintained and unmodified.
Thank you for being rhe best possible example of how this seems like a good idea if you're a complete fucking moron with zero construction experience, knowledge or ability.
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Do you honestly think shipping containers are the future of housing?
Real
we got here this time
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Why did you say he sounded like a luddite then? I'm honestly a little confused.
Why would you get one, instead of a prefabricated house or trailer? Every time I've looked at the idea a prefab or trailer would just be better.
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I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Ok you convinced me please go live in one of these death traps that would actually be great you dumb sack of shit. I'll be praying for a heat wace.
Youve repeatedly admitted you have zero knowledge experience or skill and you're still arguing with me about it. I do this shit for a living.
Do you really not understand the difference in internal and external dimensions and how it affects living space calculations?
Who am I kidding of course you don't.
Seriously are you like an actual child who's still in high school or something because that's about the only way this much of a lack of practical knowledge would be excusable.
If your like 10 sorry I was so harsh, if not holy shit you're the dumbest person I've crossed paths with in a while.
Then go live in one
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On the contrary, new research from the University of Michigan shows that shipping container houses (and similar repurposed pre-engineered objects) are actually much more costly than you might expect: https://cadence.moe/PPB_Portable_Prefab_Buildings.pdf
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My testicles are in a freezer.
This isn't an improv group.
Literally modular and manufactured homes. Pre-engineered, portable, and an actual house, not a storage unit.
TO BE SHIPPING CONTAINERS
you can't modify them in any way without compromising the structural integrity of these things. that crinkle isn't just for fun, its part of what makes the whole thing rigid enough not to fall apart. If you start cutting into that, you have to come up with a whole new support structure and might as well just build it normally.
Actual prefab buildings though? That's workable.
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