uh sweaty no minority could ever be against biden, only online white teenager tankies are against him.
Liberals really trying to out-racist conservatives as if that'll get us to trust them again. At this point I find them more contemptible than conservatives. At least conservatives are honestly and unapologetically evil, whereas libs still try to pretend they're good.
Yeah, better to be attacked from the front so I have a chance to parry than to be stabbed in the back by someone pretending to be an ally
Biden is building the wall, signing an executive order that will limit asylum seekers, never stopped keeping children in cages, let Covid era protections that reduced child poverty lapse, oversaw close to a million Americans dying from a highly contagious disease and countless others having long term health problems because "We're going to fight the virus, not the economy", has ordered the bombing of one of the poorest countries in the world because they've dared to oppose a genocide, is ratcheting up tariffs of cheap green technologies because it's eating into U.S. market share while the planet begins to roast, and still owes me $2,000.
Biden is the competent fascist people speak of that comes after Trump. All Dems do is normalize the heinous policies of their Republican predessecors, like Clinton enshrining Reagan's economic policies, Obama vastly expanding drone striking innocent brown people, and Americans are still convinced they're somehow the lesser evil. At least liberals pretend to give a shit when Trump was in office, it's been 4 years of crickets while all of his policies have seen fruition.
Hillary was also on board with moving the capital to Jerusalem but people have the memory of goldfish.
https://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/09/senate.2000/hrc.jerusalem/
Yes. Everything I protested under Trump has continued or been expanded by Biden, and now liberals don't protest anymore because "it will help Trump."
A friend of mine was lecturing me for refusing to vote for Biden, and as an example of what would happen to the vulnerable under Trump she cited someone she knows whose father was just deported . . . by Biden.
A vote for Biden is a vote for Trump.
cited someone she knows whose father
peak racist lib shit. Wonder how "someone she knows" would feel about her cynically using their father as an example of why you need to vote for the guy who deported him.
as an example of what would happen to the vulnerable under Trump she cited someone she knows whose father was just deported . . . by Biden.
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This is never going to be not relevant again is it?
When you are linked with trillions of other minds through a psionic hive network it doesn't matter how small they are individually.
you don't actually think Trump will be materially worse on Gaza or similar issues, you're just filled with horror at the thought that big scary stupid orange man will tweet during the genocide. the average lib's brain was catastrophically shattered by 2016-2020 despite the only meaningful change compared to any other president being that Trump was acting like a buffoon during it. there's a lot of things that got worse during Trump, obviously, but they would have gotten equally worse under Clinton or anybody else.
when liberals do make complaints about how things got materially worse, it's almost invariably true that you can either a) point to how it was already bad until Obama and the trendline just kept going in the same direction, or b) point to how Biden then proceeded to make it worse anyway despite being a Democrat. so the only problem libs genuinely have with Trump, when you peel away the bullshit, was that Trump was an "unpresidential" Tweeter in Chief and they had to endure a bunch of shitty pepe memes being posted at them by dipshit chuds while trying to eat brunch; truly a fate worse than death.
"What if we killed a hundred thousand starving Palestinians like we are now, but the guy in charge was incompetent?" Oh god! Those dead Palestinians will feel much worse knowing that the way they killed was bombs being dropped on them incompetently rather than the result of a smart, systematic, scientific approach via the AI revolution delivered by Final Solutions Inc!
"What if we got rid of the right to an abortion, or let states across the country strike down rights for the LGBTQIA+ like we are now, but this time the guy in charge was tweeting about McDonalds during it?" What a nightmare!
"What if we explicitly reduced the US's ability to fight climate change by expanding the national fossil fuel industry and introducing tariffs on foreign green energy and electric vehicles like we are now, but Trump made our country look silly while doing it?" Please, anything but that!
"What if we built a wall on the southern border and deported more migrants than the previous president and made the lives of migrants absolute living hell with constant violations of human rights by border guards, while the media then pretends that the guards there are being ordered at gunpoint by communist Marxist Stalinist politicians to provide a million dollars to each migrant and let them fuck their wives because the best way to motivate Americans to vote is to make them scared that the Scary Group of Brown People are coming to steal their stuff? But, instead of Biden doing that, Trump was doing it, and he was being RACIST on SOCIAL MEDIA too!" What torture!
I'm gonna have to disagree with you a bit on this, if Clinton got to choose scotus justices instead of Trump, RvW would not have been overturned. That's real world consequences that affects people with wombs every day.
Democrats are equally bad to Republicans on many issues, the oppression of all people matters and we need better answers but it doesn't help to minimize or invalidate the oppression of people with wombs just to make a point around the oppression of other groups.
if Clinton got to choose scotus justices instead of Trump, RvW would not have been overturned.
Is that why she picked an anti abortion running mate in 2016? Because she cares about women?
Clinton absolutely doesn't care about people with wombs, all she cares about is herself, power, money, and a place in the history books, and I can't see any way in which overturning RvW would be her desired legacy. Nothing about it makes any sense.
And just a gentle reminder that trans men can also be affected by this situation, so it's worth an effort to use trans inclusive language.
if Clinton got to choose scotus justices instead of Trump, RvW would not have been overturned.
Where the fuck are all you liberals coming from?
Not a liberal, I'm not even sure you know what a liberal is.
Clinton would have no incentive and nothing to gain by overturning RvW, and people don't usually do things without an incentive.
Trump was highly incentivized because his entire political culture is about "winning" and "making the liberals cry", and overturning RvW did make his voterbase feel like they got a giant win and it did make liberals cry.
It would have been done anyway though. It was the court and Clinton wouldn't have been able to put any other judges in anyway. And yes you are a liberal (at best).
I don't see any reason why Clinton would be forced to pick the exact same scotus judges.
I'm not a liberal just because I might make you uncomfortable by challenging your established ways of thinking.
I'm not a liberal just because I might make you uncomfortable by challenging your established ways of thinking.
No you're a liberal because you are twisting yourself in a pretzel to advocate for Biden as "harm reduction"
Please fuck off.
I did not, will not ever advocate for Biden, because he is pro-genocide of Palestine. I don't think "harm reduction" or "lesser of two evils" is the solution.
Please do not make wildly tangential assumptions, it's not beneficial to dialogue. Treat the conversation you have with me as a conversation with me, and not an amalgamation of conversations you've had with other people.
You transgressed orthodoxy by suggesting that democrats could be appreciably different from republicans in any way and now will be treated as hostile. You're right, for what it is worth.
I'm not the person you're responding to, but I would never advocate for Biden, but I would also never
supportadvocate for Trump. He's clearly the worse option for a myriad of other reasons.I really do understand why a Palestinian American would not vote for Biden right now though and would never ask them to.
Nobody here is talking about supporting Trump we are talking about material conditions. You're way out of your depth here please read a book.
Is it possible for everyone to agree that criticizing specifically Democrats or Clinton or Biden is not a support of Trump, and criticizing specifically Trump is not a support of Biden.
Yeah and I think we're both falling on the other side of these material conditions. I believe the material conditions of putting Trump in power is worse than having Biden.
Whatbare thos material conditions then? Try explaining how supporting a genocide and the current crackdown on peaceful protests is the har reduction choice, I'll be over there not listening to you
I'll respond to the other person's comment with more examples when I find time since you said you won't listen to me anyway.
But I do have one question: do you think those two things would be better or worse under Trump? That answer is why it's harm reduction. Do you not remember the Muslim ban or bringing in federal agents to crack down on George Floyd protests?
Which material conditions are better under Biden?
Wages are down Cost of living, including,rent,groceries,housing, is up
One million+ Americans are dead from COVID, and millions more are suffering from continued Infections and long COVID.
Corporate Greed has made most routine restaurant visits worse. Most places are understaffed, leading to waiting longer for lower quality food at higher prices.
Many of my favorite chain stores are closing completely. Great economy ass!
Biden broke a major strike
Infrastructure like major bridges are falling apart because
is an idiot that isn't qualified for the job he was gifted for dropping out of 2020.Immigrants continue to be deported in record numbers.
Kids are still in cages.
Every summer is the hottest in history, while this administration puts tariffs on cheap electric vehicles and solar panels that could help.
LGBT, especially T, material conditions are horrific in many places, and the Dems aren't doing anything to fix that.
Women in many states lost their right to choose, and the Dems aren't doing anything to materially fix that.
I really do understand why a Palestinian American would not vote for Biden
then have some solidarity with Palestinians and stop the ridiculous “harm reduction” rhetoric. nobody here is advocating for trump. those comments are removed and the users don’t last long on here since our admins are great and actually ban reactionaries.
if you want to actually delineate these “material conditions” you claim will be worse under trump compared to biden please share them
Okay, I will later when I have time. Probably days from now if not more than a week. One short thing I would argue is many things are generally worse with every passing year because (1) there has been a rightward trend in the Overton window, (2) the conservatives have been on a long, calculated campaign to gain political supremacy by diminishing voting rights, hacking away at federal power, and increasing the role of capital in political decision-making, primarily through the capture of the Judiciary (and its ideology).
Biden sucks and is pathetic in his response to RvW being overturned, for example. But it doesn't matter if you had Chomsky himself as president, nothing could have been done to change that decision.
I just don't think the solution is to then shift the Overton window even more right than where it is by voting for Trump, potentially making a lot of these issues (particularly in regards to voting rights), harder to shift left.
a president who opposed the rightward shift would have pushed court stacking and added justices until RvW was safe. or pushed a bill codifying abortion rights. dems had a voting majority in both houses and any dem who didnt vote for it would be giving up their reelection chance. ofc the rotating villain would vote against it and just take a high paying private sector job when their term ends.
the role of dems is to slow or stop leftward momentum by doing nothing so that the republicans can take over and move the country rightward. the overton window means nothing when regular citizens have no say in politics and can only vote for the mean fascist or the nice fascist. the overton window is meaningful if it is far left enough to push ppl into revolutionary action.
and, once again, stop strawmanning, nobody here is advocating for voting for trump. also, trump in office does not push the overton window right. it empowers the most rabid americans and would increase violence against the left, but that is going to happen under biden anyways with the right leaning state and municipal governments
I agree and think Democrats are tepid, pathetic excuses for a left wing that engage in continued imperialism and corporate control. I completely agree that they are letting us slip further into fascism and their responses are shit. I'm just saying that to make it happen quicker by (1) voting for Trump or (2) not voting for Biden seems misguided, generally. As much as I wish someone else would be on the ticket.
My intent is not to straw-man. I assumed folks here were advocating voting for Trump, because to me that seems like the only other option on a ticket that only gives you a binary choice. I'm sorry if that's not the case and I'm missing something.
And in that case, my question is then: what are people here advocating for? Not voting? Voting for a lefty as a write-in? Starting armed insurrection? Somewhere in between?
That's just false. Two justices were appointed by Trump, one of which replaced RBG and she died. The other would arguably still be Kennedy because he wouldn't have retired under Clinton, and he was probably less reactionary than Kavanaugh (time will tell). Also, Trump appointed a massive amount of lower court judges and that greatly affects what cases even make it up to the Supreme Court. A 5-4 majority by conservatives is wildly different than a 6-3 majority with massive lower court support.
I don't know how you can say "Clinton wouldn't have been able to put any other judges in anyway" when we know that she would have replaced RBG.
The difference between liberals and the left on this issue is that leftists see this system as fundamentally unjust and desire to tear it down. I don't want to play electoral games with the Supreme Court, where the whims of when certain people die and which lib is in power at the right time to replace them puts our basic rights at risk forever. That's bullshit!
I don't want to put "better judges" on the court. The real problem is the court itself, and the Constitution that created it. We need to abolish this undemocratic court.
Liberals will NEVER allow this. Enjoy dealing with your right to your own body being tossed around like a football for the rest of your life. If all you do is vote that's what you're getting. Or you can read some theory, understand the left, and help us build a revolution that tears this rotten government apart once and for all.
We don’t know who HRC would have chosen.
Anyway, Biden was warned of the impending decision months in advance. He didn’t do anything. I guess he and Pelosi did send texts and emails begging for money.
I guess we'll see if Biden gets another term and picks some more right wing hacks.
I have no faith that democrats would have done the right thing.
Trump is currently the frontrunner by a small margin, so it's more likely that Trump will win, and we'll see if it's just business as usual or if project 2025 does make anything worse.
C'mon dude, I disagree with the original poster but this is hysteria. Trump's incompetence will not work in favor of anyone, it didn't during all four years of his presidency, because the GOP party apparatus already has a bunch of insane mercenary freaks for him to hire to better materialize their decades long desires.
Trump would absolutely push to nationalize abortion bans and bans on curricula that educates people on LGBTQ kids, Biden is at the least not getting in the way of blue state governors who codify protections against these moves. You can say "well who cares how much faster this fascism happens under Trump when Biden isn't going to reverse the trajectory" and the fact is that still matters to millions of people, they get more years of their life to enjoy the diminishing rights they have or figure out ways to adapt or leave the country.
Democrats always build on the shitty things Republicans introduce, but every new Republican president means a bunch of new shitty things to hand off to democrats to execute. Obama continued Bush policies, but Biden continued Bush and Trump policies. An idea skyrocketing to popularity among Republicans is literally to invade Mexico to fight the cartels, I don't want to give any Dem Trump successor that initiative to prolong.
Trump incompetence will not help the Palestinian people or anyone else, I am not saying people should vote for Biden, but Trump is absolutely worse unless we use vague enough rhetoric to conflate things.
Trump incompetence will not help the Palestinian people or anyone else
idk man I felt this way but watching libs entirely tune out from the ongoing atrocities as soon as Biden was elected has changed my mind. There would be more of an uproar if it were Trump doing this exact same shit.
Also you seem to be doing a lot of contrarianism and trying to start arguments here lately on your brand new account that seems to be defending Democrats so yeah
What did the liberal uproar against Trump actually accomplish?
Nothing. It only resulted in Trump doubling down and doing shit like the programs to rehome separated toddlers into evangelical families.
If Trump is elected you will get to see the liberal uproar against him that you find more heartening than the liberal apologism for Biden, but what the libs will be in uproar about by then could be far bigger civilian death tolls and far more direct military aid to Israel.
Not to mention, the damage is already done by the lib defenders of Biden, if Trump took over and did more heinous stuff to Palestine, and libs suddenly found a bleeding heart, they'd be dismissed in the national spotlight for how they were complacent when Biden was in office. And we will be able to seethe at them then for what they caused years ago, but that would be all we can do. The power of their future uproar has already been ceded today.
Jared Kushner is already in talks with people in Israel about building resorts across Gazan beaches, and he will be the guy to inform Trump's middle east policy. Lastly, we only get to keep Gaza in the spotlight now because dementia addled Biden is completely aloof and incapable of remaining in the spotlight for long, meaning he doesn't hijack the news cycle with some new bullshit the whole media turns their attention to instead the way Trump did every day.
And if Trump were president now you can bet there would be even more rapey Hitler youth frat bros attacking the encampments, than there are now when the protestors are protesting Biden. There would be way more smears of the encampment in populist non-legacy media like Newsmax/InfoWars that currently don't give a shit about them (they would not be more antisemitic than they are pro-Trump), and libs would keep condemning the protestors for hurting optics either way. There is nothing to gain from Biden in office, there is even more to lose from Trump in office.
And I am not doing contrarianism, you can look at my post history, I may be more lib than you but rest assured that that is purely organic and not insidious. I am just trying to evaluate material outcomes and trying to game out what results in minimal harm, I just don't think Biden sucking ass justifies reflexively trying to fumble for dogshit arguments about why things might incidentally work out better under Trump.
I'm not fuckin voting for Biden take your worthless walls of text elsewhere.
It doesn't matter if you think Trump will be worse. I am not voting for the guy that let RvW fall and is supporting genocide and continuing or ratcheting up all Trump's policies while lulling liberals into complacency and even more complicity.
Fuck outta here.
But have you considered how bad it would be if Trump (hypothetically) pursued Biden's agenda even more aggressively than Joe Biden?
I am not asking you to vote, I am asking you to stop grandstanding and doing motivated reasoning for how Trump would be better.
Why are you trying to start an argument about which horrible option is better? Biden was worse because he’s competent. Both are sociopaths. Both are suffering from dementia. Both oversaw the erosion of rights. Both oversaw apartheid and genocide. Trump’s narcissism works against him, though, because he gets distracted and doesn’t get as much done. Biden is good at what he does, and what he’s doing is hastening the end of human life. Accelerationists for Biden!!!
Crucially what you are doing isn't motivated reasoning though, genocide supporter
Why would you not ask him to vote if you truly believe that there is a better choice?
I am just trying to evaluate material outcomes and trying to game out what results in minimal harm.
Never asked anybody to vote, just wanted people do not perpetuate the delusion thay Trump's incompetence may be incidentally beneficial for the things Biden fucked up.
Biden has blown past Trump's deportation numbers, given corrupt racist police departments all over the country record-breaking funding, and striped one of the largest unions in the country of its right to strike, something Republicans haven't managed to do since the Traffic Controller firings in the 80s, and that's all before the genocide he's carried out
Seriously shut the fuck up already with this fantasy version of Biden you dipshit libs have in your heads, nobody is buying it
Trump incompetence will not help the Palestinian people or anyone else
lmao yeah Biden's competence is somehow better than Trump's incompetence, the definition of magical thinking, this right here really encapsulates the braindead zombie-like nature of modern liberalism; self-contradictory, nonsensical and totally at odds with the facts we observe
All that matters is we triangulate ourselves into being on the side of the status quo no matter how much blood it sheds
All I've seen is the claim that Trump will be worse than Biden, which is also what Trump claims.
And like Trump it's a dumbass claim that falls apart at the barest amount of scrutiny, there is no metric where Trump is worse than Biden on Gaza, whether it's material, political or rhetorical, Trump would literally have to drop a nuke to "be worse than Biden" at this late date in the genocide, and anyone who thinks that's gonna happen is a geopolitical toddler
And because liberals are too blinded by racism to see the obvious political reality they miss the most crucial difference between Biden's Israel policy and a hypothetical Trump policy, which is liberals can't blindly support Trump's policies like they do with Biden
The liberal media and establishment has sunk far too much political and cultural capital in turning Trump into the antichrist incarnate to simply do an about-face and back Trump's policies, just because "we have to punish the Arabs for getting him elected". Even tho the top cynics in DC wouldn't care less about backing Trump if he comes to power, the base and the Professional–managerial class despise Trump far too much to let the DNC slide with a heel-turn like that, and Trump's conviction has only further sealed that dynamic into stone
So yes, I would absolutely prefer a fascist who has 50% support domestically and internationally vs the fascist who has total state and media support, it's really simple the Palestinian resistance is more likely to win with Trump's unpopular and incompetent ass at the wheel than with the fuckin bloodless vampires who surround llich-king Biden
Hope that made sense for you genocide lover :)
liberals can't blindly support Trump's policies like they do with Biden
This as a hugely undersold aspect. If 2020 wasn't under Trump but instead Hilary, there isn't a chance in hell default libs would have been anywhere near as pro-BLM (despite how performative it all was). Libs are reactionary and reacting against
is all we can expect from them, but at least it pushes them in the right directionthe Palestinian resistance is more likely to win with Trump's unpopular and incompetent ass at the wheel
I think there is a lot of truth to that. Instead of Biden giving plausible deniability to countries of the world, they'll be forced to reckon with Trump just saying the quiet part out loud. Both of them want the genocide to keep going but Biden is smart enough to not actually say it and hem and haw about civility. When the public face of empire is so abhorrent there is likely going to be real pushback
If 2020 wasn't under Trump but instead Hilary, there isn't a chance in hell default libs would have been anywhere near as pro-BLM.
I also genuinely think covid protections would’ve been even worse if Hillary had been in office. Instead of Trump giving us tepid protections with the grumbling support of both the democrats and republicans, Hillary would’ve tried to give us the exact same tepid protections but with the republicans screaming it’s communism and the rotating villains of the democrats joining them to make sure literally no protections passed.
Fuck, on a basic level, Trump gave us COVID protections, Biden removed them. Would Trump have removed them on the same timeframe? Maybe, but he also would’ve had the Dems actually opposing him, whereas Biden had full support for taking those away.
Trump's incompetence will not help the Palestinian resistance. In fact you cannot even visualize how that scenario plays out, it's just a grass is always greener type outlook. He will likely be advised to hire somebody like John Bolton and because of his incompetence and fearlessness of bad PR he will give his delegate carte blanche. And if you think America would lose power or standing in any way that would shake its power were it caught doing even more heinous and mask off things as a result of Trump's incompetence, you must be misremembering the net zero damage to US prosperity and power in just a handful of years following the Iraq War.
Victoria Nuland has more competence in her pinky toe then a dipshit like Bolton who got his ass outmaneuvered and fired by Trump of all people
What else is Trump gonna do, drop a nuke? Yeah go ahead and irradiate Tel Aviv and half of Egypt
Is he gonna openly deploy US ground troops? Yeah sure completely fuck the US ally system from Turkey to Egypt to the Gulf, lose Iraq and Syria permanently in the process and practically guarantee a new Egyptian revolution and West Bank Intifada
And if you think America would lose power or standing in any way that would shake its power were it caught doing even more heinous and mask off things as a result of Trump's incompetence
If that was true then why hasn't Biden sent ground troops yet? Since American power and standing wouldn't be effected in any way no matter how heinous and mask off American troops behave in Gaza, what could possibly be stopping Biden who is a bigger zionist than Trump in every conceivable way
It's almost like creating unsustainable conditions for US allies in the region and beyond IS A CONCERN for US power no matter if Trump or Biden is in office
Again this is something you Trumpmongers don't seem to understand, we are already at the terminal stage of the crisis, we are in the genocide room, there is nothing Trump could do that Biden hasn't already done and done with far more international and domestic support then Trump could ever dream of, that's why you're left fearmongering about the bona fides of John fuckin Bolton as if he's some archon who'll single-handedly plunge Gaza into something BEYOND genocide, it's gross, it's hysterical, it's cynical and it doesn't have a lick of geopolitical sense
Yeah sure completely fuck the US ally system from Turkey to Egypt to the Gulf, lose Iraq and Syria permanently in the process and practically guarantee a new Egyptian revolution and West Bank Intifada
The problem here is that many leaders in the Middle East already see Palestine as a liability even if their population doesn't, and if Trump convinces Saudi Arabia to look the other way, which he very well might, there will be an influx of propaganda manufacturing consent throughout the Muslim world that will undercut any nascent revolutionary movements.
what could possibly be stopping Biden who is a bigger zionist than Trump in every conceivable way
Biden still fancies himself a diplomat and buys into that identity and has support based in respectability politics. Look at all the condemnations of the administration from other world leaders, they are doing that at all because they presume Biden will pretend to give a fuck and not enact direct retaliatory measures against them for insolence. The liberal Biden supporters don't have the appetite for that, and so Biden is constrained albeit minimally by the rules of decorum he is championed for buying into--forcing him to temper his destruction.
World leaders may not even bother with the condemnations against the US were Trump in office, because they would not presume he and his base would have shame and perform giving a fuck, and even possibly fear the retaliatory measures he might enact against them out of pettiness because his support comes from striking fear and dominating others. Currently you have groypers, Muslims worldwide and most Democrats all opposing Biden's Israel policy, and the uneasy coalition is responsible for the outsized spotlight on Gaza. But once Trump is in office all he would have to do is ramp up his attacks on gay rights and women's rights domestically and a significant amount of the people boosting outrage for Gaza will pivot to "I don't like Trump's Israel policy but at least he's bringing back___." The majority of Democrats already disapprove of Biden on Trump, you will never get a majority of Republicans to disapprove of Trump on any foreign military policy as long as it looks like America is spearheading it.
And sure, Biden is more of a zionist than Trump, but he isn't more of one than Kushner or the others in his cabinet responsible for the Abraham Accords. Kusher is currently working to build resorts in Gaza, if Trump helps him do that and more of the world starts vacationing there over time, Gaza will just be a footnote.
It's almost like creating unsustainable conditions for US allies in the region and beyond IS A CONCERN for US power no matter if Trump or Biden is in office
But by Trump being incompetent and not really giving a shit about the troops (see the operation in Niger, his attacks on Muslim Americans despite them being the best source of intel against terrorism), he would be less hampered by long term concerns and more willing to act rashly.
The problem here is that many leaders in the Middle East already see Palestine as a liability even if their population doesn't, and if Trump convinces Saudi Arabia to look the other way, which he very well might, there will be an influx of propaganda manufacturing consent throughout the Muslim world that will undercut any nascent revolutionary movements.
Just, No lmao, the Arab regimes have sent 75 years and tens of billions of dollars trying to demonize and vilify the Palestinian resistance and people and it HAS FAILED MISERABLY, there is no greater failure in the history of propaganda, Arab public opinion has never budged from the high 90% range in any country, in Morocco the CIA stooge par excellence, Palestinians could rely on free taxi rides wherever they went and that was at the height of normalization and that's certainly not changing now
Palestine is the heart of Arab political life, it is a solid neutron star that will never shift and never break, which is precisely why the regimes are so goddamn brutal and totalizing in their repression, but that will not last forever, the regimes are on borrowed time, the idea that Trump could do anything that could shift Arab public opinions is so ludicrous on it's face I'm now 100% convinced you have no clue what you're talking about
Like come on, Trump is not Morgoth, he's not gonna reshape the earth and put out all good in the world, give me a fuckin break with this weepy lib nonsense
World leaders may not even bother with the condemnations against the US were Trump in office, because they would not presume he and his base would have shame and perform giving a fuck
As a counterpoint everything can still get worse under Trump. He has promised to deport all anti-Israel protestors who are even legal immigrants, nationalize abortion bans, pull the same bullshit nationally that DeSantis pulled statewide in Florida by erasing curricula that creates awareness of slavery, and probably even ramp up US troop deployments to Israel. There is nothing that says things cannot get much worse and Trump won't come up with even more new bad shit for any Democrat successor to cowardly continue. You can roll off a bed of spikes right into an acid bath.
How is he gonna pass those laws? What judge is gonna back him that won't be opposed by another? If a convicted Trump wins, Republicans are fucked electorally everywhere besides maybe Florida and Texas
Dems won't back him, the PMCs won't back him, the media won't back him, Europe won't back him, how is he gonna finesse himself into passing all those dictatorial laws if most of the organs of state are gnashing their teeth at the idea of him just being in office?
- Trump signed more executive orders than any president in history, both before and after he had a Dem congress.
- He already got a ton of lifetime appointments of lackey yes-man judges embedded throughout the US appellate court system during his term, on top of getting a 6-3 Supreme Court conservative majority, and they can all overturn any legal challenges to his policies. The organs of the state are mostly already indebted to him and unelected so however Republicans fare electorally he gets to pass a good amount of his policies.
- Bush did not notify congress when he declared war, and Trump would not either if he wanted to go to war with Mexico and China.
- Trump has the overwhelming backing of military members and police forces, something like 70-80%, who will either carry out his policies or not enforce challenges to his policies.
- Republicans are absolutely not fucked electorally everywhere. They can always pass more laws making it harder for Democrats to vote, Red States are free to alter their individual electoral policies to favor Republicans, and Trump has a floor of at least 30% support generally represented by petit bourgeoisie tyrants--same as the Nazis did when they got to carry out everything they wanted in Germany.
- Europe did not back the Iraq war either, and Europe is doing worse now than it was then and more beholden to US economic power.
Do you even know how racist your username is? That movie is a racist caricature of African village life that whitewashes south african apartheid and you're in here trying to go to bat for Joe fucking Biden?
This is just like how the libs said that Chapo Trap House was cultural appropriation by white boys. You don't give a shit about the name, you don't find it that racist, you needed to conceive of a line of attack.
Such naked projection, what a soulless little nazi creep you've shown yourself to be
He already got a ton of lifetime appointments of lackey yes-man judges embedded throughout the US appellate court system during his term
Ah yes the greatest enemy of the Palestinian resistance, the US appellate court system, which is such an ally right now, but will surely fall to evil if Trump returns to power
The organs of the state are mostly already indebted to him and unelected so however Republicans fare electorally he gets to pass a good amount of his policies.
Yeah remember when Trump took over the government in Jan 6, 2021 and has ruled the last 4 years and was able to avoid a conviction by a court system he has in his pockets
Bush did not notify congress when he declared war, and Trump would not either if he wanted to go to war with Mexico and China.
Why are you astral projecting all the way back to the Bush era, maybe you should stay in the present and acknowledge the literal mountains of munitions and arms Biden has sent to Israel without congressional approval, it's a little more relevant
Trump has the overwhelming backing of military members and police forces, something like 70-80%, who will either carry out his policies or not enforce challenges to his policies.
Yes I remember the great US-Iran War of 2017-2021, shame the US military follows Trump and his lackeys in every aspect
They can always pass more laws making it harder for Democrats to vote, Red States are free to alter their individual electoral policies to favor Republicans
You're just describing Republican default programming that they perform regardless of whether a Republican or a Dem is in office
Europe did not back the Iraq war either, and Europe is doing worse now than it was then and more beholden to US economic power.
Yes Europe will follow Trump in every aspect, there will be no pushback, no blowback whatsoever, his incompetence and unpopularity will translate to him somehow strengthening the US grasp on Europe, a very reasonable take attached to reality
You know I think your problem is that you seem to only exist in the years 2017, 2020 and sometimes 2003, maybe you should recognize this is 2024 and realize what has happened the last four years, Trump is not always gonna be there to define your politics, sometimes you have acknowledge there are other players in the world besides HIM
Ah yes the greatest enemy of the Palestinian resistance, the US appellate court system, which is such an ally right now, but will surely fall to evil if Trump returns to power
We were talking about his socially conservative domestic policies that he would have more easily upheld and you are pretending we were talking about Palestine to have a leg to stand on.
Yeah remember when Trump took over the government in Jan 6, 2021 and has ruled the last 4 years and was able to avoid a conviction by a court system he has in his pockets
Him not being able to overturn an election doesn't preclude him from being able to stop overturns of his laws when elected. The point is he will attempt to pass new laws nationalizing abortion bans and lgbtq oppression, that he is put into a position to do that and trample over the weak Democrats rather than letting Dems be weak at a standstill.
Yes I remember the great US-Iran War of 2017-2021, shame the US military follows Trump and his lackeys in every aspect
But Trump didn't want to go to war then. The point is if he wanted to go to war without congressional approval he would be met with less resistance from military brass than Biden purely for being a Republican. It's not that he will be Trump but that he will be a Republican that produces the added risk.
You're just describing Republican default programming that they perform regardless of whether a Republican or a Dem is in office
Of course, but I was arguing against the claim that Trump would lose all states except Texas and Florida if convicted, a claim that I know you don't believe.
Yes Europe will follow Trump in every aspect, there will be no pushback, no blowback whatsoever, his incompetence and unpopularity will translate to him somehow strengthening the US grasp on Europe, a very reasonable take attached to reality
Why do you have to argue against things I did not say, if you had convincing arguments against what I did say? I never said there would be no blowback whatsoever, you are the one detaching from reality for claiming I did. Europe could push back during the Iraq War from a better negotiating position than they can now due to a worse current economy now. Trump's incompetence and unpopularity will be a blip against the fact that he has the reins of US military and economic might.
maybe you should recognize this is 2024 and realize what has happened the last four years
This is as stupid as "This is the most important election of our lifetime" as a saying, in that if I asked you to give specifics on how being in 2024 would make Trump any less capable increased harm than he had been during his term, you would not say anything salient.
We were talking about his socially conservative domestic policies that he would have more easily upheld and you are pretending we were talking about Palestine to have a leg to stand on.
We've been talking about Palestine from the start, but stay coping
Him not being able to overturn an election doesn't preclude him from being able to stop overturns of his laws when elected. The point is he will attempt to pass new laws nationalizing abortion bans and lgbtq oppression, that he is put into a position to do that and trample over the weak Democrats rather than letting Dems be weak at a standstill.
And why weren't those laws the first time around at the height of his power when even dem media softened on him in the first half of his term, it's almost like there was robust resistance to his nonsense both politically and institutionally, but I guess recognizing that reality would fly in the face of your delusion about the unstoppable god emperor Trump
But Trump didn't want to go to war then
He asked the military for options to attack, they give him the facts of what would happen and he declined to attack, which flies in the face of your assertion that he would decalre war on half the Middle East, did you forgot what claim you were supposed to be making lmao?
Of course, but I was arguing against the claim that Trump would lose all states except Texas and Florida if convicted, a claim that I know you don't believe.
My claim is Republicans would lose locally, statewide, and in city elections in every state besides the strongholds of Texas and Florida, you do realize that involves numerical gains and loses at different levels of scale, that could still leave Republicans in overall charge of many red state governorships and state governments, but with a weakened position internally while indeed losing many other states overall, it's not a binary like in the general you dumbass, I didn't say every fuckin state beside Texas and Florida is gonna turn solid New York-style blue if Trump wins, do you know anything about electoral politics outside presidential rat races?
Trump's incompetence and unpopularity will be a blip against the fact that he has the reins of US military and economic might.
This nonsense right here is precisely why I mocked and characterized your take as "no pushback, no blowback" because that is what you're asserting, even if you don't realize it, either you're ignoring or are unaware of the fact of just how unpopular Trump is, not just with the public of Europe, but crucially the political class of Europe, he is persona non grata in terms of European statecraft and it doesn't matter how many economic screws the US tightens on European taxpayers, the political class is insulated and will make their displeasure known in serious ways the US establishment can't ignore
But instead you want to pretend Trump is a political genius who'll somehow (despite his unpopularity in the circles of power) bulldoze his way into becoming the Caesar of the American empire, like do you hear yourself, the motherfucker was convicted four days ago and you're over here acting like he's gonna have an ironclad mandate to rule
This is as stupid as "This is the most important election of our lifetime" as a saying
Thank you for clarifying that you situate genocide and elections in the same category in your head, real enlightening as to what really motivates you
They can always pass more laws making it harder for Democrats to vote, Red States are free to alter their individual electoral policies to favor Republicans
Democrats should do this when they have power. Instead they give away several Congressional seats with redrawn maps in places like New York.
This is how I know Dems aren't serious about anything they say. They don't actually want to crush the Republicans.
But you know what they DO spend a lot of effort stopping? Third parties.
You support genocide. You are a nazi.
"But my genocide is better!"
Tell it to the fucking wall.
A delaying action
Wtf does this even mean? Your "delayer" is literally accelerating conditions by committing a genocide, if you have to a retreat to a fantasy realm where your guy hasn't been aiding and abetting mass murder for the last 8 months to gain an imaginary moral high ground, then maybe it's time to admit you're a fraud and the definition of a moral coward
Your wormlike politics belong in a sewer
Allow me to explain this in terms simple enough for you to understand
When the war starts I'm gonna find you and as many other libs who supported this genocide and I'm gonna use you as decoys the same way the Joker did in the Dark Knight
Biden has already started world war 3. In case that doesn’t kill us, he has killed renewable energy in the US. He has done nothing to “preserve democracy” unless you think watching Roe v Wade die (after being warned in advance of the decision), killing the first amendment, increasing drilling, and caging more kids than Trump are somehow preserving something other than our impending extinction. He even signed a bill to make it easier for Republicans to kill non-profits. Biden is easily the worst president of our lifetimes and it isn’t fucking close.
%I hate every president I've lived under but at least Trump and Obama gave me a few meager scraps like pandemic relief and obamacare but Genocide Joe is over here with his blood drenched hands empty, offering nothing to us but still stretching out that bloody hand at us asking for our
If this is how I die for my comrades I am ok with that
Delaying action until fucking what? Israel is trying to start WW3 and might succeed if they force Iran to retaliate, are you going to vote for that?
Someday you'll be kicked into a pit, looking forward to that happening
“fighting”
Chastising leftists, donating to Amy McGrath clones and doing 45 minutes of voting a year.
Hardcore.
sucking my cock is the most effective action you can take to prevent a trump presidency
Yeah I prefer my genocide with a generous side of condescension and gaslighting.
Trump is going to jail, haven't you heard? Why are you acting as if he still has a chance to win? Are you some sort of MAGA tankie?!
I would vote for president but I love both Biden and Trump so much that I just can't choose
