Can't post link because I grabbed this from r/shitliberalssay and searching the comment's text doesn't bring it up
"Nuclear war is preferable to Russian victory in Ukraine"
Remember how up until about two years ago nuclear war was pretty much the one thing that all of us agreed on? From Hoxhaites all the way to the Proud Boys, nobody wanted a nuclear war, and definitely nobody wanted to die in one.
But now? These takes are, holy shit, common. What sorcery did they unleash on them to make them turn around like this?
What sorcery did they unleash on them to make them turn around like this?
The internet. This is what the internet does to your brain if you don't log off. It's such a hyper-alienated form of media since it's all tailored to you so there a very really danger that if you don't have a healthy relationship with the internet/social media, you can fall into a scenario where ideology just rattles around in your brain until you get so caught up in bullshit that you can't see objective material realities like "it would be bad if a nuclear war happened." I mean why does this person care about Ukraine to begin with? The internet/news told them to care. This person isn't like this about Palestine, you know?
"What sorcery did they unleash on them to make them turn around like this?''
I read an article about how an institution during cold war asked a group who studied STEMS and the humanities and ask what you've do if you have the nuclear arsenal. Most of the STEMSlords managed to annihilate the world multiple times because it is just logical to nuke the enemy in a first strike to destroy the second strike capabilities (this line of thinking made it into reagan era btw). The humanities department manage to prevent MAD
Reddit is full of Rational (tm) and pseud-stemslord. go figure
yeah, not to go all Marshal McLuhan here but the medium is the message. we can't underscore how fucking weird that website is, especially if you're talking about politics on there. Reddit can be great if you wanna talk to people who know way more than you'll ever need to know about a piece of music equipment or find out cool facts about sports but you can also see some sicko shit from people who also post in tech related subs. i work in tech so it's not like i think everyone is like this but the most I'M STEM AND BETTER THAN YOU BC I LOGIC coworkers are basically pro genocide if it furthers American interests.
it's almost like get politics out of ''''''''non political''''''' issues managed to create a bunch of psychopaths that see people as datas on a spread.
It's funny how at my work, the non political people can talk about certain issues with horrid consequences and the response you get is ''oh it's 10% affected''
We had the internet before 2022, and it didn't make anyone go pro-nuclear war.
I'll never forget a certain "man on the street" interview that was done during the War on Terror, where they found a surprisingly high number of people who said we should just indiscriminately nuke the Middle East. I think American nuclear bloodthirst is as old as American nukes, and the only thing that's prevented us from nuking anyone since 1945 has been realpolitik.
Yep, pro-nuclear first strike use on enemies probably consistently polls higher than most politicians
I literally saw people saying we should nuke Russia in 2016 but that doesn't negate my point. For one, this isn't normal. Even the most normie Ukraine lib thinks a nuclear war with Russia is bad.
People in the western imperial core are increasingly aware, even if they'd never admit it, that their grip on the world is slipping. When the Soviet Union collapsed in the 90s, liberals thought they'd won. They thought that they'd become the eternal masters of the world, that they'd get to use the global south countries as sources of raw materials and slave labor forever. For a while, it seemed like they were right, but that sun is setting. China grows more powerful by the day and global south nations flock to it as plans are drawn up for alternatives to the petrodollar. The West's failures in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria show that it is increasingly unable to bend the Global South to its will, while at home, its infrastructure crumbles and its economy lurches from crisis to crisis.
And this terrifies and enrages western liberals. Many of these people are young enough to have no memory of the Cold War. They have literally never experienced a time when the entire world didn't bow to them. Their attitude is summed up fantastically by a quote from Richard Spencer when he got caught on hot mic following the alt-right's failure at Charlottesville:
CW: Racism
"My ancestors fucking enslaved those little pieces of fucking shit. I rule the fucking world. Those pieces of fucking shit get ruled by people like me. They look up and see a face like mine looking down at them. That’s how the fucking world works."
It's not hard to see why this made headlines. It's shockingly, grotesquely racist and colonialist. It's also, underneath their veneer of civility, exactly what western liberals believe. It was easy for them to keep that mask up when they were winning everywhere all the time, but the more defeats they suffer, the more it will slip.
good post
also thanks for making me somehow feel even more revulsion for richard spencer than i already did
Remember how up until about two years ago nuclear war was pretty much the one thing that all of us agreed on? From Hoxhaites all the way to the Proud Boys, nobody wanted a nuclear war, and definitely nobody wanted to die in one.
This is Possadist erasure!
Covid era made us devalue the lives of others and our own lives + power structure stoking jingoism = actually it'd be fine to die in nuclear hellfire
What sorcery did they unleash on them to make them turn around like this?
All it takes is a simple scratch
are we seriously comfortable facing a future where we let our every move be dictated by a petulant manchild
that's already the world we live in, it's just that the petulant manchild is the fucking West
Wild that liberals are now so mask off they're actively hoping for nuclear war and doing full blown race science about Russians having authoritarianism lobes and shit
What kind of premium :brainworms: does it take to endorse nuclear war as an acceptable method and cost to preserve the status quo?
Not to get all :alex-aware: but is there a concerted effort to get people comfortable with use of nukes or something? That shit used to be simply unthinkable, now it seems like the mainstream :reddit-logo: position :doomer:
I've often heard westoids talk about how Putin is a nuclear threat because "If he can't rule the world, he'll destroy it, he'd rather kill everyone and everything than lose."
It's always projection.
Copium + younger generation. Maybe we need a 1980s style scare about nukes again. Ughhh
Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament supporting British primary school teachers in the '80s on their way to give their students PTSD by showing them Threads on school time: :swole-doge: :lady-doge: :swole-doge: :swole-doge: :lady-doge: :lady-doge:
But fr you're right, when it comes to understanding the truly civilisation ending implications of nuclear war I think some degree of scared straight does the trick.
I just watched this for the first time a few days ago and it was probably the most horrifying thing I’ve ever seen. The whole time I was thinking “this is too real”
Remember when the Greens led Germany on a massive anti-nuke protest when Reagan visited? They made a human chain hundreds of miles long. It was something that all of Germany agreed on. American nuclear missiles needed to be withdrawn, immediately.
Westerners have completely lost their shit as soon as a white country is affected by war.
Googling with double quotes used to be fantastic. Now it's iffy because Google became a bit like Youtube - sometimes it ignores the double quotes and gives you other results to help you.
There are 1.1k comments. But it's in there somewhere...
just a complete lack of critical thinking. these people would cite Baghdad Bob if it helped them
This is maybe the most deranged cope theeads I've ever seen. Holy hell.
Call me very old-fashioned but when it comes to nuclear war I think... "The only way to win is not to play."
100%. Worst invention man ever made.
As if that wasn't enough they're also so sure NATO is perfect and infallible and Russia is stupid and full of dumb dumbs. And our good righteous Wunderwaffen are amazing and sci Fi level beauties. The Russian hypersonics and such meanwhile are stupid toys held together by duct tape.
Anyway that's why Russia is slowly slowly slowly taking more territory. Because NATO weapons are so good. March to moscow incoming.
Whenever libs talk about nukes I like to remind them how they fuck up generations of people. Even if you are at war with a dude and blow him up with a nuke are you really comfortable with his grandchildren being born deformed? Psychopath shit.
If Western intelligence believed we could 100% intercept Russian nukes, NATO would've already declared war.
Well the western intelligence Is not as intelligent as Random_redditor_665272 who is a pro in fallout.
I've had success with yandex when google failed. Especially when I'm looking for pirated stuff.
I hate Yandex. I created an "English only" keyword search but I was never able to remove Russian language results.
I just use it as a backup if DuckDuckGo and Google fail me so that's not a big deal to me. You could also just learn Russian.
If I was a Russian nuclear strategist today, I would be very worried. You just received proof of concept that Western air and missile defenses can intercept 100% of your tactical nuclear delivery vehicles (SRBM, BM, aircraft) in a time-coordinated, multi-vector attack. : UkrainianConflict
If I was a NATO nuclear strategist today, I'd be very worried. If Western air and missile defenses could feasibly intercept 100% of Russia's tactical nuclear delivery systems, then Russia has every incentive to use strategic nuclear delivery systems instead.
So many people really don't understand the vital difference between tactical nuclear weapons that are essentially battlefield weapons and strategic weapons. Once strategic weapons start flying it's the arcade game Missile Command in earnest. It's World War III.
:maybe-later-honey: KEEV HAS FALLEN, BILLIONS MUST DIE :maybe-later-honey:
Horus Heresy but it's :warren-snake-green: and :pete: dropping out of the race after a phone call from Obama
:sicko-yes:
Everything is proceeding as I have forseen.
Eat the nuke, liberal. End this world. It will be free, but in a way you will truly hate.
Free to scrounge for the least-irradiated food from the remains of the "breadbasket of Europe", maybe. This is that hidden, underlying fascist death drive bubbling to the surface of the liberal worldview.
Fucking assholes stomach the destruction of the middle east and write it off with "our bad" (or worse) but god forbid the white European, Lviv Pogrom celebrating government get shit on, because that's cause enough to make at least two countries into Fallout games.
why are these people so fucking stupid? i genuinely can't look at reddit anymore outside of magic/nintendo/fromsoft subreddits because it just makes me so frustrated to see the NAFO brainworms seep into literally everything
i love that the highlighting actually makes the text harder to read lmao
I'd be happy to eat a nuke
But the text is so irradiated that its blinding to the reader.
The 2 colours used to mask the name and highlight is a nice touch too
Even if they didn't have a functioning nuclear arsenal, do they want a conventional war with Russia? Do they want to occupy Russia? Russia is a massive landmass with over twice the population of Iraq and Syria combined. Do we really want to spend the next century dealing with the Russian equivalent of ISIS? Hell, in a power vaccuum the "useless" Russian nuclear arsenal will now be in the hands of thousands of non-state actors who are all pissed off at the west.
"We can defeat Russia, all we have to do is get to Moscow, how hard can it be?"
NapoleonHitlerYour average redditor.Poland-Lithuania and the Mongol Golden Horde, though. Not that I disagree with your main point.
(Granted, Russia post-Tsardom is a vastly different beast)
Do they want to occupy Russia?
yes. they wanted to occupy Iraq. they wanted to occupy Afghanistan. why would Russia be any different? i know your post has material reasons why it would be a bad idea to try but imperialists don't care. we had thatMillennium Challenge war game that shows going to war with Iran would be a terrible idea and yet people are still champing at the bit for that.
HMMmmm, guy's based in Langley...... :thinking-about-it:
Even in this ludicrous fantasy where 95% of Russia's nukes don't work, it's still not meaningful unless you also assume there is no way for them to check which 5% of their arsenal is working, and presumably those warheads are deployed for the most lethal systems they have.
You also have to concede that Russia has reduced their nuclear stockpile by like 50% in the last decade. do you assume they decommissioned their best nukes or their worst nukes?
