Ok I’m not even American so I won’t be voting anyway. With that out the way I feel like Biden would be better for the left. Why? Because liberals wouldn’t be able to blame everything on Trump and be smug as fuck. Shit is going down and while the Republicans are in power liberals can pretend that everything thing would be jolly under their presidency. If Biden is president and things are still going to shit the left can actually attack liberalism properly.
Problems with this view?
Didn’t work for Obama. If there is someone blue in charge, things are good. That’s literally the end of the lib analysis.
If things aren’t good it’s because of republican obstructionism. True enough perhaps but it’s not like they’re fighting it, they were hoping it would happen.
California libs currently very happy with their blue governor who is actively deporting inmates after their sentence is finished despite the fact that he has to go out of his way to do so.
Liberals basically assume that the system/capitalism is fundamentally functional and good, with crises, wars, famines, etc being a function of mismanagement of the system.
They will just point to Trump as the person who mismanaged the system, leading to lasting problems, rather than considering the limitations of the system itself.
Exactly. Libs are mad because the news tells them to be. Notice not a single lib gave a shit about kids in cages until Trump despite happening under Obama for years. If Biden got into office the news would be licking his balls 24/7 and blaming trump every time someone farts for the next 8 years. This is why I hate the mindless anti-trump mindsets. Trump isn't the problem, it's the establishment powers
Well, I think that view assumes liberals will care or actually look critically at Biden. They didn't do it for Obama despite the drone strikes and I doubt they'd look critically at anything bad biden does.
I wasn’t really very online or politically aware before 2016 but isn’t the American left much larger and more vocal now? Things are also worse than they were under Obama, who oversaw the recovery of the economy after 2008.
Very true, and that is an excellent point. However liberals still exist. I also don't live in America but I used to and all my family does. But my point is even if the left is bigger and criticizes more, libs will still deflect and there's nothing we can really do about that. The people we are trying to reach will be more ingrained in their beliefs if Biden wins, I think.
I think it's hard to say, honestly. I'm trying to find a material analysis on what it would all mean, and I think that covid is going to be much worse as it gets colder, and if there is a Biden administration, people may be able to see just how inadequate the libs are.
However, I've also seen George Bush totally rehabilitated, so there may just be a perpetual "Trump was much worse" mentality, but I also know a lot of people (myself included) enthusiastically supported Obama and radicalization began when we saw just how bad that was.
At the heart of it, I'm not sure if it really matters. I think that we need to just focus on helping the working class, and leave the elections and their outcomes to the libs.
Have you ever talked to a lib and go Obama started the camps, or Obama's drone strike victims were 90% unintended, or Biden is a rapist and they go "Well Trump did", it's impossible for them to see that you can actually care about concentration camps, killing innocents, or rape and you're not just doing it to score points.
To anyone reading this:
Do.
Not.
Vote.
For.
Fucking.
Biden.
I'm tired of having to say this shit.
Remember how the tea party took off under Obama? That’s gonna be QAnon if Biden wins for the next 4 years. Not at all helped by the fact that Biden is an actual pedophile rapist who’s friends with tons of Epstein associates
Biden is an actual pedophile rapist who’s friends with tons of Epstein associates
Let's focus on the provable. Like his connections to Ukrainian NeoNazis.
It was the subject of the recent TruAnon episode. I need to learn more myself.
I'll see if I can find a BlackWolf link for it.
QAnon is growing under Trump and will continue to do so under either President
Biden will be jetfuel to the fire. A second term of Trump might actually result in a split between Trump and the QAnon movement. Like Matt’s said in the cushvlogs if Trump tries to push a vaccine there could be a real schism in the QAnon fandom on whether he’s good or not.
Not that this should be how or why you game out voting probably, but that shits as personal as whether it’s raining that day so I think this is more fun to talk about
yeah, im also not american but biden has an actual team to overthrow democracy in the 3º world and start wars the liberals would agree with because he is not evil trump, i feel biden is a biggest threat to world peace than trump
Trump is escalating with China though, stroking anti-Chinese paranoia and starting trade wars. Trump offers a scapegoat for the contradictions of capitalism, as long as Trump exists to take the blame for everything, many liberals will never see the problems with their ideology unless they see it failing.
yeah, but your theory that the left would grow more under biden depents on the liberals not ignoring the state of the world for 4 years like they did under obama, plus kamala is going to be the basically the president so they wont have to deal with dying joe biden, Biden its just as anti China as trump, plus if you seen the libs on reddit you would realise these people want a genocide against the evil chinese, that pus Biden's actual good foreign policy team means China would be attack by an actual threatning foe.
I don't think there's anything wrong with your analysis per se. If Biden wins, he will accomplish absolutely nothing. Material conditions for the working classes will continue to seriously deteriorate which will in turn lead to more support for the left. However, what will also happen is that a whole lot of Americans will see Biden as the best response that liberals and the left (since they lump us together) had to things getting worse, and they will instead heartily embrace fascism from someone on the right who is actually competent. I think the later will be a much larger number of people than the former, though.
It would be, if it wasn't for the fact the neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party won a powerful political mandate with the defeat of Bernie Sanders, a mandate that would be infinitely strengthened with the neoliberal defeat of Donald Trump
There would be no "Proper" leftist attack on the dems because the left would be seen as a discredited political force in American politics, "we don't need you, we beat Trump all on our own" that will be the primary narrative going forward if Biden wins. On top of a massive anti-leftist/progressive backlash by the media and the monied powers, since the right will no longer be seen as a threat
If Biden wins the left is dead for the next 8 years and the right will be resurgent...again for the third time in less than ten years, we saw it happened under Obama, and we'll see it accelerated under Biden
Exactly, you can't understate how disengaged libs are from politics. It's more or less a game to them because by and large they are insulated from the worst consequences of political actions.
I feel like if he actually wins after telling the left to go fuck itself and basically stealing the nomination (media blackout and back room dealing to coalesce) liberals will be more smug than they have ever been
People are really scared that the scenario you describe here will lead to the election of an intelligent, motivated fascist after 4-8 years of liberal inaction
If he wins, it will lend crediblity to the belief that that electability is when you go further right.
alt: "Oh, you're calling Obama a war criminal? That's quite racist of you"
I'm glad pete didn't win because even a few months ago they were claiming every criticism of him as homophobia
Want me to cut your arm off at the shoulder or elbow?
Biden is 1/10th the man Obama is/was by almost any standard, even things libs care about. Obama was super popular, had super majorities and a crisis to blame change on, after campaigning on Hope and change.
His presidency led directly to Trump being elected.
But libs still love him.
