fossilized tree resin
extensively. forcefully argued that klacik is only a republican because she earnestly disagrees with democratic municipal governance lol
None of the chapos should be allowed to comment on anything related to black people. None of them know literally anything about the black community, especially fucking Amber.
Yeah at first I was like “why are these Brooklyn leftists totally ignoring BLM and talking about random celebrity twitter bullshit” but I’ve come to realize it’s probably for the best that they stay out of it because they are stupid as fuck
What did they say? Holy shit totally in character for them
It was a weak take, but as I recall the focus was more "she believes in awful shit, but she actually believes it and thinks it will help and isn't just grifting." What the takeaway was supposed to be other than "this is a weird person, here's why," I don't know. But then riffing on weird politicians is one of their bits and doesn't always need a larger point.
Weird how Amber’s “bits” always involve siding with the right on social issues and making inappropriate anti-Semitic remarks
weirdly defending Republicans
My take on Amber and leftists like her is that they hate libs and love dunking just on them so much, that they lose sight of how bad conservatives are.
Hating on libs is good, but don't go so far with it you start thinking conservatives are kinda not bad...
they hate libs so much and love dunking just on them, they lose sight of how bad conservatives are.
Something everyone here should reflect on once and a while. A lot of libs are a bad month from radicalizing, a lot of conservatives are a bad month from setting up a totally-not-racially-motivated checkpoint with a few armed buddies.
One of the things that bothered me about /r/cth (pbuh) was the idea that always being pushed that conservatives were usually closer to socialism than liberals. A lot of weird romanticizing of white hicks as misguided communists that'll surely abandon their reactionary worldview as soon as some DSA nerd tells them that unions are good or some bullshit. It's an opinion one can only form if your only interaction is with globe emoji neoliberal psychos on twitter
Yes the Red Scare pod hosts who she did an interview with in a rightwing magazine.
siding with the right on social issues
Where was that here? "This person wants to do awful things but it looks like they at least honestly believe what they're selling" isn't siding with the right on anything. My recollection might be off, but nothing in that segment struck me as "this person has good social views."
The hosts have some shit takes, some more than others, but we're getting to this weird place where we're waaaaaaaaay too committed to dumping on them for any reason we can possibly scrape together. You can't joke about "what podcast?", still listen to the podcast, get I'm-not-mad-you're-mad when they shit on your forum, then play telephone with segments of the podcast until you come up with something to be pissed at them over. That's gamer drama shit.
We shouldn't be reaching to dump on anyone who's broadly on the left, because how the fuck are we supposed to get anything done that way? No one wants to join a group where your supposed allies go out of their way to take you down, and pissing matches burn people out. Light ribbing of someone on the left is fine, insinuating that they're a social reactionary or even anti-Semetic without something concrete is not.
Amber is a Succ, she’s not on the left. This wall of text to defend your parasocial friend is besides the point, Amber consistently takes the furthest right position she can without getting exiled by her friend group - themselves a bunch of Brooklyn social chauvinists.
She’s the right-wing of the left-wing of capital. She’s the furthest right you can be and still be a social democrat, and social democrats are rightwing chauvinists.
But Amber Defense Squad are all chads of course?
What’s more pathetic? Calling out opportunism when you see it? Or debasing yourself online and twisting yourself into knots to defend one single person you have grown attached to?
Amber Stans in this thread are only making two points: 1) We only hate Amber because she’s a woman and are misogynists and 2) Wow dude why do you care so much?
Both are bad faith. I’m the only one here making actual points about her positions and politics.
Point to me ever being wrong or being a lib and I will self immolate
Amber is a Succ, she’s not on the left.
Ah yes, the best way to achieve socialism is to take the small slice of America that's to the left of Bernie and divide it up even further. I'm sure we'll have the means of production in hand any day now.
The best way to achieve socialism is the violent seizure of the means of production by the organized working class, something that Amber and her Jacobin clique fight against. They fight against socialism through their rhetoric and actions. They are not on our side.
If you want to win, you need to recognize who is even defending your interests or on your side of the battle. Refusal to recognize an enemy does not make them your friend, it makes you vulnerable and naive.
violent seizure of the means of production by the organized working class
And you plan on achieving this by alienating a significant percentage of people who are to the left of Bernie, a candidate who was to the left of the most of the Democratic Party? Lmfao good luck
No significant portion of the working class gives a shit about Amber. They don’t even know who she is.
Failure to oust opportunists and grifters will actually alienate a much greater percentage of the growing proletariat movement than allowing them to fester will
Trust me, a working class black man gives no shits about the Amber defense squad and is actually more alienated by the white, upper class character of the “left”
If you're willing to cast out someone who is an actual labor organizer, who is actively radicalizing people, and who is one of the farthest-left people in the broadest possible definition of the political mainstream, you're never going to get anywhere. You're not fighting a protracted people's war with the dozen True Leftists who agree with you 100%.
If you want to organize a significant number of people to do real things, you need to talk to people who are light years farther to the right than wherever you think Amber is. You have to talk to libs, you have to talk to apolitical people who have all sorts of embedded reactionary views, you have to talk to some chuds at least to soften the opposition. And at some point you're going to have to rely on some of those people for help.
No revolution in history has succeeded by allying with the Social Democrats. They have always been betrayers and opportunists.
There will be no revolution in the US without a huge radicalizing shift from conditions. This is how the communist movement will form and gain momentum. It has nothing to do with diluting Marxism to accept revisionist succs.
You are distorting history and ideology and class interests to accommodate your podcast friends and it’s pathetic
You don’t have to ally with them when you’re seizing power, but they provide a necessary service in spreading and mainstreaming left wing ideas.
You’ve got to till the soil if you want to plant the seed.
They spread misconceptions and distortions of Marxism, not Marxism itself. Radicalizing people in the imperial core and in the west is way more difficult than radicalizing oppressed and colonized people partially because they have all these filters.
A poor Ugandan worker goes straight to Marxism-Leninism as soon as they radicalize.
A poor American worker has to go through social democracy, anarchism, ultraleft positions and then finally sometimes arrive at Marxism-Leninism.
The so-called “mainstreaming of leftist ideas” is actually the spreading of bourgeoise distortions.
No revolution in history has succeeded by allying with the Social Democrats.
I keep forgetting that 100-year-old European revolutions in dramatically different political environments are a perfect predictor of whatever the hell is going on in America today
I keep forgetting that if your definition of people you can't work with includes 99% of the population that definition might be useless
Oh yeah Marxism is fake, we can’t have any idea what’s going on and we have to start leftism over from scratch! I am very smart
Marxism is a science, not a prophecy, and Marx was empirically wrong about quite a bit. Famously, he never thought socialism would first take root in Russia.
If you treat Marxism as a science with specific, limited predictive power, you see that movement towards socialism takes different forms in different environments. If you repeat an experiment with all the same variables you should get the same result, but if you change a million variables translating the theory from 19th-century Germany to 21st-century America you might get something different. And if you look at actual, successful revolutionaries you see this pattern borne out: Lenin and Mao didn't treat Marx like holy writ; they took what Marx got right and then wrote revolutionary manuals of their own for their own specific environments. The whole concept of scientific socialism is that you don't just dogmatically follow the past, and the whole concept of socialism in general is that we can actually change the world for the better and aren't just slaves to what came before us.
Revisionists always twist Marxism by using the “not a dogma” idea, but weirdly enough the “modern new Marxism” is always a petty bourgeois reformism. What a coincidence?! And what’s weirder still is that Mao and Lenin both had to fight against revisionist reformists too! How weird?
Your complete inability to see where you fit into history is pretty funny.
Yeah Succs betrayed us the last 100 times, but this time it’s different because of MaTeRiAl CoNdItIoNs!
How can your 12-person protracted people's war fail with a leader this charismatic?
Weird how every communist revolution is composed of the masses and millions of people, and is opposed by the social democrats.
But truly America is exceptional and different and special so we need to accept the social democrats this time!
every communist revolution is composed of the masses and millions of people
I bet they don't get that big by denouncing 99% of the population as so far right that they'll inevitably betray the revolution
Lenin routinely denounced and ousted social reformists. As did every communist leader.
We've covered this. 2020 America is pretty fucking different than 1917 Russia, and it doesn't matter if you're ideologically perfect if you refuse to work with 99% of the population.
I'm done here, champ. Go chase your tail with one of your twelve buddies you're starting that protracted people's war with.
Some folks seem to want idols and get very upset when podcast hosts don't live up to that expectation.
No some people are just sick and tired of social democrat reactionaries and opportunist grifters infesting leftist spaces and your refusal to oust them
Oh well then as the CEO of the leftist space that is the podcast Chapo Trap House, I will immediately go fire Amber
shes fired
Just stop defending her and ridicule her openly would be satisfactory
Weird how all the criticisms of Amber are for her dogshit politics and not her gender
Ironically she would hate you using liberal “idpol” logic to defend her.
Weird how racists are actually really very earnestly concerned about black on black crime
The difference is I can easily debunk those arguments.
You cannot debunk the arguments showing Amber as a social chauvinist, so you have to resort to this
The aloof ironic deattachment defense. The last move of the cornered and defeated
Amber is a rightwing social chauvinist and social democrat who opposes socialism. This is a fact. You can’t counter this so first resort is bad faith idpol, second resort is “it doesn’t even matter man chill out I don’t even care anyway”
Bad faith all around
You believe that I am participating in a debate about an individual, which I am not. I made a comment about the internet, generally.
Very convenient for you to make points and then not have to defend them
My point that the internet is, on the whole, generally misogynistic?
Go back and read the first comment. The subject was the internet, not any one person.
We aren’t on the internet as a whole. We are on chapo.chat.
So what’s your point? The implication here is that all Internet posts are inherently misogynistic?
The anti-idpol left is the most idpol of all.
Earlier you accused me of making a liberal idpol argument, now apparently I'm part of the anti idpol left. Ok.
No I said that Amber would hate that you were using an idpol argument, which you were doing.
The pro-Amber contingent of Chapos are the stupidpol social democratic revisionist contingent.
Maybe if I was doing whatever you're accusing me of, I wouldn't be so confused by this nonsense.
not really but i dont care enough to defend amber
words of wisdom tbh
She did have an ad where she said she wants to kick Democrats out because she believes black lives matter or some shit. She's running to be my rep
Let those leftists who haven't gone on a 30 minute coke fuelled rant about how you love a Republican grifter throw the first stone.
barrett was definitely chosen primarily because she's a young female ghoul
Barret was chosen because she worked on Bush v Gore, same reason as Kavanaugh.
Yeah the Federalist Society mints these assholes by the dozen.
It’s because she stood with the right for their coup in Florida in 2000, and they know she will stand with the right for their judicial coup in 2020.
Hell, Biden said that at one of the debates. And they criticized Bernie for saying he'd pick the best candidate for the position.
Gotta love the Dems for just teeing this shit up for the right.
As a Black Woman from the MD-7 who has met Klacik, lolfuckherandherfiveheadedass.
There are a ton of “Black Republicans who are only republicans because the Dems in Baltimore suck” but a lot of them are socially conservative fuckboys or straight up politically illiterate.
it's like a cohen brothers film, when labor is weak labor is weak
A distinction without a difference. Also, do you know that amber read Moby Dick?
What is this mythical time period when America was "good"? And no confusing your childhood for a good USA.
She bugs me because her name is like the most bizarre way you'd try to misspell "classic".
People really do make up more and more details about that story every time someone tells it. For the record, Anna told them to write down that only she was trans (not Amber) because she thinks she looks clockable as trans and people might actually fall for it and that would be funny to her, not because people would pay more attention to them or whatever.
The Dems want roe vs wade over turned. This week basically Allow them to set the clock back decades and they will only fight on that front.
Oh would you look at that, more Nazi propaganda on the front page.
Y'all are a bunch of useful idiots.
How is this Nazi propaganda? It's literally making fun of one of the hosts for gushing over this person. Lmao, get a fucking grip.
We post dumbass takes and dunk on them all the time, what are you on about?
That being said, I agree it would be better for radicalizing libs if we succinctly explain why those takes are bad and reactionary, instead of just assuming everyone will understand why.
