Taking my son out for some ice cream and on the way back home I let him get behind the wheel and teach him how to hit and run pedestrians.
I live in the city and my folks live in fairly nearby burbs, pretty much just over the limit of what you'd call city but they do most of their shopping and stuff further away from the city in waaaaaay more car oriented shitty stroads. I can't think of the last time they've picked me up here and he hasn't gotten mad at bikers being entirely normal. He gets mad at people for biking on sidewalks when he's driving, most recently he was mad someone biked through an empty crosswalk instead of getting off and walking it across and then resuming biking despite it not affecting him in any way. Drivers think that needing to look out for people is the fault of the pedestrian or biker they might kill. In his mind everyone should only travel by car so he doesn't risk killing someone, which is way more of a burden than dying. The entire burden of traffic safety is shouldered on the victims and it's insane.
At first I could tell if this was a “drivers hate everyone who isn’t a driver” post or “adults hate it when children exist in public” post
Now do one for me on my bike and a tourist on their rented e-bike. It should be legal to lance them
From my experience in the UK, they don't have a clue how to cycle safely. No awareness of what's going on around them, weaving along and between the pavement/cycle lane/car lane at random, cycling as many abreast as can fit on the path expecting everyone else to make room for them, suddenly stopping in the middle of the path to look at their phone - basically, people who think of it as an alternative form of pedestrianism rather than controlling a moving vehicle. Things that would be inconvenient as a pedestrian become an active danger on a road or cycle path.
Look, I appreciate you're trying to save the environment, but we have electric buses that will take you directly to the tourist attractions without congesting my already shitty cycling infrastructure. It's bad enough having to cycle next to a wall of death (dual carriageway) without throwing a Wipeout obstacle in my way too.
I never cycled in a touristy bike friendly big city nor I ever rode an ebike. Maybe if you consider Bs As as bike-infrastructure-developed, but you gotta squint really hard for that. Sure, there are busy non-leisure cyclepaths, but you can count them with a hand.
I meant I behave like a really fast pedestrian hoping on and off sidewalks, using zebrapaths if I deem convenient and will never care if there's a redlight as long as I don't see cars about to hit me if I cross
If you're guilty of this I want you to know you'd get the wall in my socialist utopia. We'd resurrect Stalin and make him read urban planning theory exclusively and then have him travel around Copenhagen in the summer with an AK47. (this is hyperboly)
Imagine you live in a carcentric society and you take a person whose only conception of cars is gokarts they rode as a child. You then hand them the keys to a sportscar and send them on their merry way on the highway. That's what it's like to have a bunch of tourists on e-bikes in a city with bike-friendly infrastructure.
Tbh I'd rather they drove cars because at least then they'd understand they're in traffic and not out on a fun little adventure. They'd understand they're controlling a moving vehicle at dangerous speeds and not just doing (what they think) is an alternative to pedestrianism.
It's incredible how I'm inches away from terrible disasters every day because of some dumb american who decides to suddenly break in the middle of a bike highway or something. When they tell me to "relax" for yelling at them in reaction to them almost killing me, I should be allowed to hit them with a stick, like it used to be legal to do to swedes.
Also the roads are small and there's no parking and lots of zones where cars aren't allowed, so it would all in all mean I'd interact way less with them.
Go ahead, try riding a bike in the city dumb fuck
You've said you don't ride or drive elsewhere, you know absolutely nothing about this, so telling you to go get some experience and that you're a dumb fuck are both justified
then what do you have got to contribute to the conversation except your vibes and feelings?
The vibes and feelings are real based on our collective experience? We didn't just make it up? (Source: https://momentummag.com/surprising-nobody-study-finds-drivers-think-cyclists-are-less-than-human/)
You've stated you didn't have the same collective experience we are discussing, but we invite you to join us on a bike ride sometime so you can see for yourself.
Okay so I don't know if you've read the study or not but the methodology used was to show people who answered an online survey (not just drivers) two images and then asked them which they thought was less human. One image had a cyclist with a helmet and another without a helmet.
So the study found that everyone, when comparing two humans, one with a helmet and one without, found the cyclist with the helmet to be "less human" than the one without.
The study has no empirical evidence for drivers considering cyclists less human than anybody except potentially for cyclists not wearing a helmet.
If I were to elaborate on their conclusion that the obstruction of human like features, such as face and eyes, I would make the argument that perhaps everyone sees a driver in a car as less human than a cyclist. I would also bet that the methodology they used in the study you provided would support this.
And judging from the replies by people in this comment section I would not assume that they are immune from the effect of lack of vision to facial features reducing their ability to consider the people involved as human, nor would I say I need to educate myself to the standard of people who can't click a link to a study and instead just read a clickbait, confirmation bias article.
