https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c
FT article about it if you're interested
Edit: archive link
https://archive.ph/MtRm3
The guy behind all of this is an Italian Marxist historian. His work is actually great. It's fascinating, often hilarious, and explicitly designed to piss off nationalists.
Pizza is a prime example. “Discs of dough topped with ingredients,” as Grandi calls them, were pervasive all over the Mediterranean for centuries: piada, pida, pita, pitta, pizza. But in 1943, when Italian-American soldiers were sent to Sicily and travelled up the Italian peninsula, they wrote home in disbelief: there were no pizzerias. Before the war, Grandi tells me, pizza was only found in a few southern Italian cities, where it was made and eaten in the streets by the lower classes.
I just imagine a bunch of puffed up americans running around going 'Eyyyyy where's da fuckin' pizza we in italia ain't we huh?'
The Italian government applied for Italian cuisine to be a UNESCO World Heritage Site
How the hell can mid food be considered a place? Italians proving once again to be the most annoying euros
food from italy isnt mid, you just think that because "italian"-americans call shit american food "italian"
Death to America
It's mid because it's mid
idk what Americans have to do with it
If they make Italian cuisine a World Heritage Site before they declare video games to be a World Heritage Site I'm gonna be so pissed
Pizza is Iranian (not joking earliest information about dish that was described to look like pizza are from Achaemenid Empire)
Probably older than that, the oldest pieces of flatbread are almost 15,000 years old, and it's not a big leap to put stuff on top of it
Most likely. This would still be somewhere in the fertile crescent though, not in Italia.
and it's not a big leap to put stuff on top of it
Nobody thought of putting anything on bread until the singular genius of the Earl of Sandwich.
Great Man Theory of History.
Is the argument that traditional Italian pizzas are expensive and eaten for an occasion and only the rich can afford to regularly eat woodfire pizzas while American slices are proletarian food?
No, the argument is that Pizza was a southern italian proletarian food:
Before the war, Grandi tells me, pizza was only found in a few southern Italian cities, where it was made and eaten in the streets by the lower classes.
Someone else is gonna have to work out how that makes it not italian.
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I don’t care where it came from I wanna shove a slice in my mouthhole.
Next you'll tell me that spaghetti and meatballs isn't italian at all
unironically correct. pizza was imported into the US with immigration from italy, primarily southern italy, at the end of the 19th century and then became more popular in italy than it ever had been during and after ww2 due to influence from american GIs stationed in italy
Death to America
Bro obviously Israel invented pizza. They needed something to put the cherry tomatoes on top of
Having flashbacks to being in Germany, ordering pasta and a salad (maybe a seafood salad... it was a long time ago) from an Italian restaurant that delivered, and getting an aluminum baking pan with hot vegetables and tentacles.
Never figured out if i was being messed with or not. The pasta that I also ordered was
though.I remember reading that FT piece, it made me realize how much of a meme italian "traditional" cuisine is
you'll always have gabagool
