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  • Sandinband [any, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    My parents got a new "smart oven" and the thing you use to set the temperature or timers on is touch screen.

    When water splashes out of a pot it can end the timer or turn off the oven and its happened so many times im fucking losing it

    • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      I can almost understand the auto shutoff if it were a bit less sensitive, but that touchscreen is a solution to a problem that never existed and is a terrible idea all around. Yeah, let's throw a touch screen in a place where oil and water and who knows what else is going to be constantly splashing around, what could go wrong?

    • duck [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      We've had one for over 5 years with the apartment we're renting and it's instead usually too sensitive so you have to press pretty hard, but sometimes it does stuff when you barely touch it. I just want my knobs back

    • Phish [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      I like being able to turn my lights on and off from bed but it certainly isn't worth the privacy invasions smart appliances represent.

      • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Same but with my thermostat. Game changer on lazy weekend mornings when it's freezing and you don't want to get out of bed.

        But I don't need my fridge to connect to the internet, thank you.

        • Phish [he/him, any]
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          4 years ago

          Right. Some things are practical controlled remotely, others are just a waste of technology.

  • FanondorfAmiibo [they/them,none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Tangentally, has anyone done any any reading on how some Americans' energy consumption increases when they gain access to renewable energy like solar power? It contributes to new forms of energy actually not really being all that more efficient because people end up using so much more electricity; "It's free from the sun, so I just leave my lights and TV on all day."

        • quartz242 [she/her]M
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          4 years ago

          Interesting, neverheard that either and makes sense. I actually train bare knuckle so I dont break a hand if I ever need to defend myself with hands.

          So sad that boxing/mma is commodified to a gladiatorial blood sport rather than personal development & cultivation.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      “It’s free from the sun, so I just leave my lights and TV on all day.”

      Don't worry, the capitalists will solve this by charging households a carbon tax. You get to use x amount per day and everything over that costs you more.

      That won't be given to companies, just to the people, make the problem the responsibility of individuals at home.

      • RedCoat [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Eh surely even in a communist society you are going to want to ensure people aren't being ridiculous with their usage, free up to something like 200% of average usage would be a reasonable method, anything over that would need justification.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          Sure but that's not the reason they'll be doing it. They'll do it to avoid touching companies for a little longer and to pass the burden onto "individual responsibility" as always.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      There are studies, it increases a little at the margin as poorer families use what they need, but people getting solar are generally conscious of power costs, and it actually reverses if they start turning a profit and piping power back into the grid sometimes, they become much more power conscious.

  • Notcontenttobequiet [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Luckily for me I'm never going to afford to own a home and most landlords buy the cheapest appliances available! Nothing smart in my home.

  • wantonviolins [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    as much as this is where everything is headed, this post is a bit premature and overblown

    the "always on, always everywhere, super fast" 5G isn't going to materialize outside tiny slivers of the biggest metropolitan areas, and even then it's going to be super limited and won't go through walls. mmwave is never going to catch on. they might repurpose the tech for high-bandwidth line-of-sight connections, like casting a phone's display directly to a TV or whatever, but it's not the apocalypse.

    the kind of 5G that everyone is actually going to use is basically just "improved LTE" and isn't meaningfully different from what we've got now, just slightly faster and more reliable

    anyway don't buy anything you can't flash custom firmware onto and fully control yourself, don't buy anything which requires cloud services to function, don't buy anything that records you and uploads the recordings

    I have a smart TV and it's driving me slightly insane, I had to create an account to disable the "feature" where it phones home to Samsung to tattle on everything I'm watching. I don't really believe they've stopped collecting the data, either.

    • bloop [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      That’s kind of the point though. Right now you do have the ability to physically stop that TV from connecting to Samsung by changing some router settings. 5G wants to move that critical decentralized infrastructure into the cloud. At that point we’ll have to trust that these massive corporations are keeping their word.

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    4 years ago

    The 5G-conspiracy theories have been unironically been a huge boon for the people pushing 5G. It's a technology that'll use loads of power and infrastructure for the sole "benefit" of enabling people to buy ever more cheap IOT crap, but now all the Rational Truth Defenders have to circle their wagons and defend it because people are going around saying it'll give you mind control cancer.

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      4 years ago

      It’s a technology that’ll use loads of power and infrastructure for the sole “benefit” of enabling people to buy ever more cheap IOT crap

      I'm sorry if you're doing a bit, but this is really quite misleading. There are plenty of applications that 5G opens up with higher speeds and (more importantly) lower latency.

      China has already done trials of tele-surgery via 5G (which could potentially greatly increase rural health coverage) as well as the automation of a port via 5G. There's also talk of coordinating self-driving cars via 5G (I know, boooo cars, but there's a lot of upsides to a self-driving car).

      Plus, there's really nothing about our current 4G infrastructure that stops people from buying lots of stupid IOT junk...

      • Owl [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Wait, why would someone do telesurgery over cellular internet? The signal is being broadcast from a tower that has a hard line, run the damn line to the hospital.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Because if the technology is perfected, you don't even need a hospital.

          Mount a surgical pod on the back of a truck and drive it to the remote village with bad roads periodically to do elective surgery. Or make shipping container sized surgical pods to deploy quickly en masse to disasters or pandemics.

          • Owl [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Or... use the truck to bring patients to a proper care facility that's not constrained in capacity by the size of a truck.

            Shipping a mobile hospital to a disaster zone is a great idea, but if you want remote surgery there you can just set it up where there's a landline. Also telesurgery only makes sense for specialized surgeries that justify needing a specific surgeon who isn't near you. You can just ship real surgeons to the disaster.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              Or… use the truck to bring patients to a proper care facility that’s not constrained in capacity by the size of a truck.

              Assuming that the patient is not so sick/elderly/frail that they can be safely and comfortably transported, sure.

              But if medivac isn't an option then the current choices are to get the surgeon to come in to do procedures in whatever limited facilities are on hand, or just let the patient be. Even if the doctor is willing to travel, that could wipe hours from their day that could be used to treat other patients.

              Shipping a mobile hospital to a disaster zone is a great idea, but if you want remote surgery there you can just set it up where there’s a landline.

              You can do that, sure, but a 5G equipped unit can be positioned with greater flexibility and doesn't need to be centralized as much. Disaster situations are inherently unpredictable so disaster relief wants to be as adaptable as possible.

              We can go back and forth making hypotheticals all day, but the bottom line is that a flexible unit that can be position within X hundred meters from any working 5g tower is going to be preferable in a general sense to something tied to functional landline.

              Also telesurgery only makes sense for specialized surgeries that justify needing a specific surgeon who isn’t near you. You can just ship real surgeons to the disaster.

              Again, it takes time to ship in real surgeons. Time during which:

              1. people can die for lack of treatment; and

              2. specialist surgeons are sitting on a plane or a bus and not actually performing surgery.

              Not to mention that you can only ship in so many surgeons from any one area without depriving their home area of surgical coverage, whereas with tele-surgery any surgeon within latency range can be called up to operate with little downtime.

              Edit: it also just occured to me that 5G tele-surgery would be a huge boon to parts of Africa and the developing world that leapfrogged widespread landlines in the first place in favor of 3/4G.

            • qublics [they/them,she/her]
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              Landlines also often have a series of switches in between that add latency, and it is difficult to rewire those networks. One reasons Elon's space internet is likely to make money is that the electromagnetic route is the straight lines while undersea cables are not, giving it significant latency advantage for certain high-speed trading.

              I don't remember the source, but that remote surgery thing was using a separate high speed network for emergency services only (edit: also vehicles and some industry), with 5G connection for the last mile.

              Edit: correction, "5G consists of three connectivity types: enhanced mobile broadband (eMBB), massive machine-type communications (mMTC), and ultra-reliable and low-latency communications (URLLC)", all of that is called 5G but those surgeries have almost nothing to do with the mobile broadband aspect that most people know from 4G.
              So far in most places only eMBB 5G is being deployed, but they are starting by building the periphery layer of the 5G network, temporarily using the existing 4G network as its core, but this core will eventually be replaced with the more advanced 5G core infrastructure that can also support its mMTC and URLLC applications.
              The hardware that underlies each connection type is not necessarily the same.

  • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Fun fact, the prevalence of cheap 2.4ghz IoT wifi chips coming out of Shenzhen means that router manufacturers have to keep a lot of their new home 5ghz wifi equipment backwards compatible.

    Unrelated, but did you know you can make yourself a 2.4ghz pwnagotchi for about $30 plus a usb battery pack?

      • Magjee [any]
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        4 years ago

        2.4ghz is still the staple connection

        A lot of smart devices do not use 5ghz

        ~

        Also the vast majority of users have no idea about or need for the speed difference

      • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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        4 years ago

        No doubt, but I imagine they wouldn't scoff at the chance to drop 2.4ghz and sell more 5ghz extenders.

      • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Standard wifi encryption you'll run into nowadays is WPA2. It works by performing an authentication handshake in which key hashes and things are exchanged as part of a client signing up to the network. The pwnagotchi works by seeking out nearby wifi networks; It then listens for their clients, kicks their clients off the network, and then listens for the authentication handshake when the client attempts to reconnect. Individually, it's a reasonably quick process that the client user never even notices. The handshake that the pwnagotchi acquires, if short or simple enough, can then be used with a hash cracker to find the wifi network's passcode.

        A standard pwnagotchi uses a raspberry pi zero w which is like $15 bucks and while it works, its wifi isn't the greatest for long range sniffing. But if you're walking around for a while in an office building , neighborhood, or a more thought out location you can usually find yourself with enough hashes to at least take a stab cracking their wifi passcode. For free wifi or more creative endeavors.

        It's a nice and easy introduction to wifi hacking concepts, if that's your thing.

    • uwu [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Fuck it. We did it when we moved from IPv4 to IPv6 so why not?

      (To anyone about to reply "actshually IPv5 does exist, but...", shut up. I already know about IPv5. This comment is for humor, not a discussion of networking protocols.)

        • Padacuw [any]
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          4 years ago

          Shut up. This comment was clearly meant for humour, not a discussion of networking protocols.