Just curious how many of you are cool with this deeply racist image being the header for one of your comms
Edit: SJW mods officially endorse racism. Suck off a liberal and a fascist cums
Sorry, I'm not quite sure how a picture mocking a specific person for something other than race is racist, let alone deeply so.
when a majority white community mocks a chinese man by comparing his appearance to a yellow bear, it's a little weird
The comparisons were first made in China, actually. The only reason we even know about the comparison is because he got so offended by them, and we keep doing it because he's upset by it. It's more about shape than colour, especially since Xi Jinping tends to wear trousers.
Hello Susaga! I'm going to repost a comment I made a few hours ago, in this instance:
"Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And there are historical precedents of this kind of racism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril"
Okay putting you down as being okay with it. Got it ty
I'm okay with it because it's not racist. What is there in this picture to not be okay with?
What racism? You have yet to explain what's racist about this picture. I am willing to accept that I'm wrong and I'm just not seeing it from the right perspective, but you have to be willing to explain why rather than just condemn.
You don't see why tinting an Asian person's skin yellow is racist? Would you say the same thing about this?
Alright, I can see that. Not deliberate, as they also tinted his suit red to heighten the comparison to Winnie the Pooh, who also has a yellow face, but I can see your perspective now you've actually given it. Deeply racist is absolutely a stretch, though, but "kinda racist" is absolutely correct.
Oh well as long as you're absolutely sure the obvious racism wasn't deliberate it's okay
But now that I've given you my perspective, you unequivocally condemn this racism, yes?
I condemn you, actually. Yes, the picture is poorly thought out and needs revision, even though it was designed for reasons other than racism. That's what you should have said. But you didn't want to fix the picture, you wanted to condemn everyone on this site for not condemning the picture.
What a contemptible piece of shit instance we got federated with this time. Fuck this place. Look at this asshole. Acting all fucking wounded because they weren't coddled during the agonizingly slow process of them finally admitting that putting a world leader representing over a billion people in yellow face MIGHT be SLIGHTLY racist ON ACCIDENT. As if the feelings of the person committing the offense are the most important consideration in explaining their offense to them. The fucking entitlement.
I don't buy your bullshit. It's not only racist, it's deliberately racist and not only that but deep down you fucking know it as well. Just ask yourself: what's the fucking point of the caricature in the first place? To be insulting, right? It's an otherwise beloved childhood character though, isn't it? So why has the west latched onto it so strongly? To mock his appearance, right? It's a yellow fucking cartoon bear. Why are you acting coy about it? It's not about his weight. It's not that he has the facial features of a bear. No one makes pictures depicting him as Yogi or Baloo. It's his race.
Well ideally, everyone here would agree this is problematic. But instead a whole bunch of people jumped in to defend it to the death
They jumped in to defend themselves. That's what happens when you attack them. If you attack the thing and not the people, they don't get so defensive.
Interesting that people here are interpreting an attack on racism as an attack on them personally. Wonder why that is
You didn't attack racism. You attacked people because there was racism nearby. Anyone who asked for an explanation was then called racist. You attacked people personally.
I'm sure you're going to go now and make sure that there is no longer any racism around you to confuse people
Not really. It wasn't really a possibility until you came along. I'm just going to do something more productive with my time than talking to you. It'll be good for me, mentally.
So not going to do anything about the racism then
Susaga, when you come back from
defending racismbeing productive, take a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_PerilWanna hear your opinion on that.
Nope. Fuck off with the homophobia. I don't want anything to do with it
No one attacked anyone. OP asked how many of you were cool with this image. All you have to do is say "actually no, that image is fucked up" and suddenly you're not under attack. In order to interpret this post as anything remotely similar to an attack on your character, you have to first decide that you're cool with racism.
We accept that this image can be interpreted as racist, if one is unaware of the origin and original meaning of said image.
Gotcha. Another for pro-racism. Man, y'all love this stuff over here
You seem to find it much easier to condemn me than racism
Stop feeding the hexbear trolls. They only go away if you ignore and block them.
And Xi Jinping, a Chinese man, is not. Perhaps this will help you understand the issue
It's just the dumbasses from hexbear making up nonsense to defend their favorite dictator
It's not even someone they like, they just use it for easy trolling just like in this thread.
Edited to add: don't feed the trolls by responding to anyone from hexbear. Just use your Lemmy client's features to block the user or the instance. Connect on Android has great blocking features.
Also someone please tell this smuglord that his instance isn't federated with ours and we can't see or respond to his comments, lol
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Yeah I guess it is racist to say a singular person defines an entire race, you should maybe try not being so racist
For context, the joke is that the authoritarian dictator of china has outlawed depictions of whiney the poo in relation to their leader after chinease people started saying he looked like the character.
You can go to jail for wearing a poo bear t-shirt. A children's cartoon is now an icon of resistance, which is wild.
This is no different than that LGBT Putin image that'll get you put in jail in russia.
The yellow skin is, in my opinion, kinda fucked though. I know that the vast majority of people on here using it don't mean it that way but the effect would be kept while not changing the skin colour. The ears and red shirt are enough. Again though, the people using it are not necessarily racist for doing so.
To pre-empt the enevitable user entirely disinterested in conversation trying to epicly own me as has been the entire post from OP, yes, I'm entirely ok with this. You can 'mark me down' as whatever you wish.
For the hexbear users (or others) who want a conversation, out of curiosity, does your issue extend to the existance of this community on our platform? Is the issue only with the yellow skin? Does this, and if so how, make the people using it racist or would you say a non-racist person would never use this?
china has outlawed depictions of whiney the poo
https://www.shanghaidisneyresort.com/en/entertainment/theme-park/characters-meet-pooh/
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That's actually a mislabeled image of Grinny the Goo, an unrelated character.
also thought of Winnie the Pooh with Chinese Characteristics
the joke is that the authoritarian dictator of china has outlawed depictions of whiney the poo after chinease people started saying he looked like the character.
Wow, that is a joke. It's not a very good joke. Who came up with it?
(That literally never happened)
People have been jailed for this
Edit: better links. Radio Free Asia can't really be trusted
https://www.axios.com/2020/01/23/china-arrests-university-minnesota-twitter
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/china-student-arrested-xi-jinping/
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
For clarity, my first source: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tweets-01232020164342.html
You are correct, that's a shit source. They've lied alot in the past, apologies for my failure here.
Here are some better sources: https://www.axios.com/2020/01/23/china-arrests-university-minnesota-twitter
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/china-student-arrested-xi-jinping/
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
You truly have epicly owned me, with facts, and logic even.
You can refer to the picture in iridaniotter’s comment for evidence countering the assertion that Winnie the Pooh is not depicted within China in any capacity. As for your claims about Luo Daiqing, the Axios article cites a court document that is written entirely in Mandarin and a Twitter account that has been suspended, while the article on the Daily Dot relies on the Axios piece, so unless you’re able to read Mandarin, you posted a source who’s validity you and most other people here have no way of confirming because it reinforced what you already believed.
For the record, I am assuming that Luo was arrested and sentenced for the reason Axios alleges they were out of good faith, but your apparent inability to vet the sources you link, which is evidenced by both what I talked about above and the fact that you initially posted nothing but an almost comically transparent propaganda piece, is troubling nonetheless.
EDIT: According to another Hexbear user who was kind enough to DM me to discuss some additional information, the court document linked by Axios states that Luo got in trouble specifically by attempting to impersonate other people through his Twitter handle and not simply because he was making fun of Xi Jinping, so take that as you will.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia_(Committee_for_a_Free_Asia)
Your citation is CIA propaganda.
You are correct, that's a shit source. They've lied alot in the past, apologies for my failure here.
Here are some better sources: https://www.axios.com/2020/01/23/china-arrests-university-minnesota-twitter
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/china-student-arrested-xi-jinping/
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
Thank you for the correction
The first two articles are not about a ban on Winnie the Pooh in China which was the subject of the original claim, so I'll put a pin in that.
Your BBC link isn't really a better source than RFA. Instead of a cutout it's just state media. And what's in that article is just a straight up lie.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Winnie-the-Pooh-really-banned-in-China-or-is-it-Western-propaganda-Could-someone-living-in-China-answer-that-question
You can talk to actual people in China. They can take photos with their cameras of the displays of licensed Disney products with Winnie the Pooh for sale. The idea that they banned Winnie the Pooh is cold war propaganda. And it can only be maintained in a bubble.
That is a quora link my dude, and is not a reasonable citation. Just some guy. To claim it's a lie with your proof being a random dude on quora, a site I frequent due to their insane conspiracy theories, nazi delusion and trump dick sucking, and obviously made up stories, is not convincing.
You are correct though, the concept of winnie the pooh is not fully banned, just in refference to their authoritarian leader. As all critisism of their government is censored, or banned.
Secondarily, these posts do speak on winnie the pooh.
From the first article: *removed externally hosted image*
Thirdly, I could give you a million links and they'd always be 'propaganda'. I need you to substantiate that for the BBC. Here's a few more: https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ban https://wikiless.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China?lang=en https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/asia/china-pooh-censor-trnd/index.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/07/china-reportedly-bans-disneys-winnie-the-pooh-film-after-xi-compariso.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-winnie-the-pooh-film-to-stop-comparisons-to-president-xi https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165504942/winnie-the-pooh-xi-jinping-china-film https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/south-park-banned-chinese-internet-critical-episode-1245783/
Lastly, I know many Chinese people, and talk to them frequently about this subject. The issue to you seems to be that I'm talking to the 'wrong' Chinese people. This 'if you just speak to these people' argument is never a convincing one. On either side, Chinese people arguing for or against either of our opinions on the subject does not provide proof for or against. Nearly half of Americans think that Joe Biden is a socialist. I hope we can agree that's dumb
No they haven't, you cited one of the most transparent sources of lies currently active on Earth.
yes, I'm entirely ok with this. You can 'mark me down' as whatever you wish.
Very well. I'll put you down as neutral on racism due to the nuanced take on the issue in your post
Reposting this one again:
"Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And there are historical precedents of this kind of racism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril"
Damn, didn't expect to put a fellow Hexbear down on the pro-racism side but I guess thems the breaks
I have a feeling they're going to switch instances over to here where they can openly express their views about other races
I'm perfectly fine with anything that you makes you shit eaters upset
Okay, I'll put you down for the pro-racism side. Noting here that being anti-communist is more important than being anti-racist
Neither is important, and I don't give a singular shit what lies you make up about me
Okay, amending the note to say that both anti-racism and anti-communism are unimportant to you
I have some bad news about your grandfather.
It has to do with where most of the Communists did their fighting in WWII.
Hey hey hey look who we have here! Where's the party at my man? What drama are we getting into tonight?
Keep up the good work, Foucaults!
