I'll venture that believing China is trying to achieve socialism is slightly more grounded in reality than believing a bunch of U.S. politicians have been secretly captured, executed, and replaced with clones.
It seems that the people who tried to kidnap that governor a few weeks ago believe there's an actual ground war with China going on that nobody is telling us about. Right-wing conspiracy theories about the Chinese secretly infiltrating America for an invasion have been a thing since the 1950s, but now they've stepped it up a bit and claim that Canada and Maine have somehow already been occupied by the PRC without anybody noticing and that they're coming for the rest of the US now.
China's just a demsoc nation with ML characteristics. They aren't some ultra pure leftist haven or anything. They're pretty liberal, but at least they still have the mechanisms in place to massively mobilize their labor power to achieve public good. Criticisms that venture beyond that framing of them are usually in bad faith or poorly researched/sinophobic.
It's wild to me that support of China is contentious in western leftist circles. It's one of the only countries that is actively executing members of their domestic bourgeoisie. They have extensive social programs and pretty high union membership. They also attach union labor stipulations to foreign investments and provide no interest loans like crazy both domestically and abroad.
They're the poster child of what western radlibs preach, but for some reason it's the radlibs that hate them most.
that reduction of poverty in china is one of the main contributors to the claims libs love to make that capitalism raised hundreds of millions from poverty right? Like it's actually mostly just china?
if someone knows a source for this that'd be nice, I never actually checked into it just heard it on the internet so
claiming china is good and socialist is basically believing in q. he has to get it on the inside so he can fulfill the prophecy of communism
I'll venture that believing China is trying to achieve socialism is slightly more grounded in reality than believing a bunch of U.S. politicians have been secretly captured, executed, and replaced with clones.
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It seems that the people who tried to kidnap that governor a few weeks ago believe there's an actual ground war with China going on that nobody is telling us about. Right-wing conspiracy theories about the Chinese secretly infiltrating America for an invasion have been a thing since the 1950s, but now they've stepped it up a bit and claim that Canada and Maine have somehow already been occupied by the PRC without anybody noticing and that they're coming for the rest of the US now.
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China's just a demsoc nation with ML characteristics. They aren't some ultra pure leftist haven or anything. They're pretty liberal, but at least they still have the mechanisms in place to massively mobilize their labor power to achieve public good. Criticisms that venture beyond that framing of them are usually in bad faith or poorly researched/sinophobic.
This is fair, and I'll add one thing: by being officially communist, it's at least possible for a committed communist to rise to power.
It's wild to me that support of China is contentious in western leftist circles. It's one of the only countries that is actively executing members of their domestic bourgeoisie. They have extensive social programs and pretty high union membership. They also attach union labor stipulations to foreign investments and provide no interest loans like crazy both domestically and abroad.
They're the poster child of what western radlibs preach, but for some reason it's the radlibs that hate them most.
A lot of radlibs are still sorting through all the anti-China propaganda.
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that reduction of poverty in china is one of the main contributors to the claims libs love to make that capitalism raised hundreds of millions from poverty right? Like it's actually mostly just china?
if someone knows a source for this that'd be nice, I never actually checked into it just heard it on the internet so
There was a good citations needed episode on it, and I recall a decent source in the show notes that went into more detail
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Qing Anon?
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