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THEORY; it's good for what ails you:

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  • MarxistJeb [he/him]
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    Does anyone else still fear the idea of death a great amount? Like it doesn't impact my decisions and there are things I would like to think I would die for, but I just have a hard time imagining being old and close to dying as anything but terrifying.

    Maybe I'll be more tired of life in 60 years, but without faith I find it hard to see myself accepting it in a meaningful way. My life hasn't been easy and I feel shitty frequently, but the concept of never existing again is just cosmically horrifying in its infinity.

    • scamboy [he/him,any]
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      4 years ago

      I mostly don't really fear dying, I just fear dying a painful death (e.g. torture). But sometimes I do fear dying.

    • Samsara [he/him,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Do you remember what it felt like before you were born? Did you object to it? My personal philosophy is that death is the natural state of things. We're here for a short while, so have fun and be good to each other.

      Without death, life has no meaning. Life is only beautiful because of death.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Nah, life is pretty beautiful on its own, and would be even more beautiful with a few thousand years to really enjoy things.

        Sure, you might get tired eventually, but there's an awful lot of things to see and do in the universe. And there's stuff coming out of the labs that will begin to give, maybe not us, but our grandchildren that chance once we've solved the climate crises and established global communism (such an easy job, I know).

        FALGSC means everyone lives as long as they want to. And being scared of death is a direct result of the scarcity caused by capitalism. We could have solved it already if we weren't giving Jeff Bezos a solid platinum learjet every day.

        • Samsara [he/him,he/him]
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          Counter point, imagine people from 1000 years ago still being alive. Imagine sharing the planet with actual slavers, colonists and war criminals. Hell I don't even think slavery would've been abolished if people were able to live a thousand years.

          • coeliacmccarthy [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Imagine sharing the planet with actual slavers, colonists and war criminals.

            we do

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            People are malleable, make the material conditions such that none of that matters anymore and they'll change. Some might take a century or two, but it'll happen. As for ossification, I think you'll find a lot of older people would be more progressive if they were active 20 year olds again who got outside and saw people and were not in constant low level pain.

            I'm happy to share a planet with former slavers, colonists and war criminals. I don't want them to be cadre, but I want them to have good, compassionate future lives. Obviously, in the early stages Reconciliation measures are needed, but in the long run I think things will be just fine.

            Give Columbus or Da Gama a spaceship and point them somewhere there aren't any lifelike radio signals. Give Hitler a paintbrush and a seat on the banks of the Danube. Give the founding fathers....I dunno, a debate club and tax-free status? They were weird dudes.

        • Gorn [they/them,he/him]
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          4 years ago

          This is a really beautiful and weird and compelling look at that https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football

        • Samsara [he/him,he/him]
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          4 years ago

          npnp. Side note, Hindu/Buddhist/Jain philosophy is pretty good at alleviating existential dread.

          • Gorn [they/them,he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I know little-to-nothing about Hinduism, I know, basically, only about the Top Tier 'veganism' in Jainism, but I know some about Buddhism... and almost all of it, I love. But, like, in a non-judgemental, detached way hahaha ;)

            • Samsara [he/him,he/him]
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              4 years ago

              They've all got similar concepts when it comes to death. The cycle of life and death (Samsara) is a chain holding you to this world, and a release from this cycle (Moksham/Nirvana), is what we're here to do. There are different schools of thought on how you achieve this release.

              I prefer it a whole lot more to the Abrahamic concept of yay you're dead welcome to heaven for following what the holy book said :):)

              • Gorn [they/them,he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Cycles make a whole lot more sense to me than 'there are infinite baby souls over here, then they move through the gauntlet of Earth to end up as either infinite eternally suffering souls, or infinite eternally blissful souls' 🤷‍♂️

    • ElGosso [he/him]
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      I simultaneously long for the eternal release and am terrified of it

    • Shmyt [he/him,any]
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      4 years ago

      I think its also a matter of knowing others aren't ready for it either. When you're young death is terrifying because there is so much you haven't yet said or done or seen, but when you get old everyone knows you have experienced most of what you ever could. It's sort of the same as being terrified a kid might die doing a safe task, but being at peace and spending time with an older person in pallative care.

    • Dear_Occupant [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I stopped fearing death when I got to the point in my life that I had more loved ones among the dead than among the living. I still fear it in the sense than I try to avoid actually dying and would like to put off the event for as long as possible, but it's stopped being the source of that awful variety of existential dread that keeps me from getting to sleep some nights. It's since occurred to me that a lot of that was just fear of being alone, and if there's one thing we can say about death, it's that it doesn't happen to just you.

      Still holding out hope that I can pull of an Enoch and get so fed up with this place I go on a walk one day and just vanish.

    • Gorn [they/them,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Ehh. I don't have beliefs that my spirit will continue on in any unified way that maintains my identity after death, but I just don't fear it for some reason.

      Just yesterday, in fact, I was contemplating how glorious it would be to go out in a blaze in a socialist revolution. I would be happy to die on that battlefield.

  • HarryLime [any]
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    4 years ago

    In the early eighties, in the depths of their period of stagnation, the USSR overcame an American technological embargo to start up their natural gas exports to Europe. By the end of the decade, CIA reports said that they had nearly overcome the gap in computer technology that had been such an enormous problem. Soviet-Aligned forces and states had been established in Africa, in Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia, and Somalia, with significant Socialist movements gaining ground in Namibia, South Africa, and Zimbabwe. Vietnam was seeing real success with the Doi Moi reforms, making it no longer dependent on Soviet aid. Most significantly, the anti-Soviet Gang of Four had been ousted in China, and Deng Xiaoping was taking steps to normalize relations with the USSR, presaging a potential end to the Sino-Soviet split.

    If Gorbachev didn't fuck everything up, the world might look very different today.

  • MikeTruk [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    idk how old Shapiro's kids are, but my god, could you imagine having to listen your dad speak the lyrics of "WAP" for all of youtube history?

  • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Hey guys, I was thinking wouldn't it be cool if we collectively select a podcast to be the "thing" of his place. Would help get new members and the podcast would be happy to have a dedicated fanbase that is somewhere else than Twitter. I'm thinking of Pod Save America. Would really fit the general tendencies here and the guys that run it are real bright and fun

      • Dear_Occupant [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I kinda sorta did that when Fred Thompson was alive and he was running Uncle Fred's Down-Home Biscuit Flour Power Hour or whatever that thing was called. He would always reach a little too deep into his actor's bag of affected Southern charm, which always gave me something funny to riff on on my blog.

    • Owl [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It's a good idea, and I agree Pod Save America would be a good bit.

      I think it's also worth considering non-political podcasts, since finding out that everyone who likes the thing you like is a lefty is just naturally going to pull you left, and smallish podcasts will chase after sudden influxes of fans. My first thought was those surrealist comedy podcasts like Night Vale or Beef And Dairy, but I think I overestimated how popular they are because the woman who keeps recommending them to me is such a cutie. By the numbers the most popular ones are true crime stuff, which aren't my jam, but if there's a bunch of people here who like them then more power to you, get organized.

  • NotARobot [she/her]
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    https://twitter.com/spaceprole/status/1292995812033728513

    This would be a shitshow but it would also be fucking hilarious

      • axolotl [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        can someone give me the rundown on Stirner? never delved into the dude and always see him memed

        • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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          Wikipedia could probably do better than me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner

          Basically he was a 19th century philosopher who was into a sort of individualist anarchist tract. His memory is preserved mostly by Engels's caricatures and a lengthy criticism in The German Ideology.

          Later, Marx and Engels wrote a major criticism of Stirner's work. The number of pages Marx and Engels devote to attacking Stirner in the unexpurgated text of The German Ideology exceeds the total of Stirner's written works.

          He is also associated with the concept of "spooks," which I find kind of cool - but where he goes from there is, eh.

          Stirner proposes that most commonly accepted social institutions—including the notion of state, property as a right, natural rights in general and the very notion of society—were mere illusions, "spooks" or ghosts in the mind.

          He basically is, and always has been a meme.

          • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            The number of pages Marx and Engels devote to attacking Stirner in the unexpurgated text of The German Ideology exceeds the total of Stirner’s written works.

            Damn, that's some powerful posting.

          • axolotl [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            that's interesting, seems like the notion of societal constructs as spooks would put him near the situationists. do you think that would be accurate?

            also, what do people think about situationist praxis in these days?

            before covid, I was at a bar with my then-gf and my best friend, and the three of us put on this impromptu, unsolicited mime performance on a stage, that was us enacting the taming of a lion while stacking more and more stage furniture up on itself. when we got to an apparently critical mass of stacked tables, we were shooed away by the bouncer. in the meantime though, we were able to pull this one drunk lady up on stage and get her to mime with us. she did not see her night going that way, before it happened.

    • Gorn [they/them,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Good luck on the house hunt, comrade. And the best solution to any panic, in my estimation, is a nap. If you know that, you'll be just fine :red-fist:

    • AsleepInspector
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      4 years ago

      It definitely gets better Joe Biden is the democratic nominee and there is no support for suffering peoples, fuck life

      Hang in there, comrade :transshork-happy:

  • axolotl [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    feels good to just chill in the megathread again

    any word on making it so posts don't always jump around when you upvote?

    • Gorn [they/them,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I know the devs are working on various parts of this problem. I think the first focus is making it so comments don’t get deleted as you type them and things move around. There’ s a biiig update coming down the pipes with a lot of changes, which should be live pretty soon, and it might address some of this.

      Maybe someone else knows more than me! I ain’t no dev, just a dirty, stinkin’ mod haha

  • abc [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    ah shit managed to stay up til 4am again watching movies can't wait to regret this in a few hours during work

  • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Hot Take: Outside of Scooby-Doo, basically no one cares about any of the other Hanna-Barbera properties anymore. So shoehorning them into Scoob!, much less trying to start an entire cinematic universe centered around them, was a dumb idea.

    Hell, I feel like even The Flintstones/Jetsons aren't all that relevant anymore.

    • mittens [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It's not like WB execs are that stupid. They absolutely know that nobody under the age of like 57 remembers Jodie and the Pussycats anymore, but they're also sitting on a mountain of IPs they can freely make us of and have a bunch of money ready to invest with nowhere else to go, and if the rotten body of Jabberjaw isn't generating profit, then what's the point of fucking owning it in the first place? So they're absolutely going to try and re-imagine HB properties over and over, gambling on the chance that maybe one of these will manage to tap into some current pop culture fad either intentionally or, in the case of Banana Split, by pure dumb coincidence. It doesn't matter if only Disney has managed to keep a single cinematic universe afloat (at this point it should be clear that the MCU is the exception and not the rule), they're going to try over and over until you care about the extended universe of * checks catalogue * Pixie and Dixie and Mr Jinks

      Tendency of profit to fall, anyone?

  • BreadPrices [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Biden's VP pick chaos is orchestrated by Hillary Clinton who will do a "where did it lead you? back to me" moment which will eventually lead to her presidency when Biden does his thing in early 2021. Come, take my brain worms.