Assuming that doesn't make it realistic right now. If I think the only way to get to Tierra del Fuego is by plane, that doesn't mean I'm suddenly able to go there. I don't own a plane, or have access to one, or money to buy a ticket on one, etc. There are preliminary steps I need to take before taking that plane trip is realistic.
If you honestly think it's revolution or bust, the task is to identify the preliminary steps of starting a revolutionary organization and work on those. Some of those preliminary steps likely overlap with comrades who think there are other paths to socialism.
If the only way to get to Tierra del Fuego is by plane this remains true whether you have access to a plane or not. Whether it is realistic or not is immaterial. And other people who are offering you bus passes are not going to get the job done
Pointing out that there are no revolutionary leftist groups in the U.S. is a fact, and pointing out that this makes a revolutionary approach unrealistic is a basic inference. Neither of these are excuses, especially if someone is pursuing some other path to socialism.
I wasn't saying your point was a reason not to get involved. But the constant defeatism of "enter org here" doesn't do exactly what I would, is a way to ignore how malleable each org is and how much influence one person can have. You want to make the org more militant organize a school night about militancy in socialism.
No dude bro sitting at home and complaining about entryism is how change was made bro. Trust me bro just keep complaining to the void of online spaces about how none of the orgs are perfectly inline with my political ideology. It works trust me bro.
Exactly. The truth is you don't want to put in the effort and would rather waste your time blabbering online to echo chambers. Talking to people and getting them to the see the importance of a revolutionary struggle takes a ton of effort and time. There's not many people who currently agree with this approach which mean it takes even more effort, so instead do nothing and let the working class and BIPOC folks continue to take the worst possible conditions instead of doing anything to make their material conditions even slightly better currently. What a great comrade.
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I don't want to do entryism in the DSA to try and get them to stop doing electoralism though
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What armed group would you recommend?
If you have to ask, is a revolutionary approach realistic right now?
If you don't believe electoralism will work, it is, in fact, the only approach.
Assuming that doesn't make it realistic right now. If I think the only way to get to Tierra del Fuego is by plane, that doesn't mean I'm suddenly able to go there. I don't own a plane, or have access to one, or money to buy a ticket on one, etc. There are preliminary steps I need to take before taking that plane trip is realistic.
If you honestly think it's revolution or bust, the task is to identify the preliminary steps of starting a revolutionary organization and work on those. Some of those preliminary steps likely overlap with comrades who think there are other paths to socialism.
If the only way to get to Tierra del Fuego is by plane this remains true whether you have access to a plane or not. Whether it is realistic or not is immaterial. And other people who are offering you bus passes are not going to get the job done
Whether it's realistic is the most important question if you're assuming that's your only option.
Simply insisting that it's the only way will get us nowhere.
People will make excuses to sit at home not doing anything for any reason.
Pointing out that there are no revolutionary leftist groups in the U.S. is a fact, and pointing out that this makes a revolutionary approach unrealistic is a basic inference. Neither of these are excuses, especially if someone is pursuing some other path to socialism.
I wasn't saying your point was a reason not to get involved. But the constant defeatism of "enter org here" doesn't do exactly what I would, is a way to ignore how malleable each org is and how much influence one person can have. You want to make the org more militant organize a school night about militancy in socialism.
I'm not making excuses for not doing anything
There's no org that fits exactly what I want to do so I don't join any.
You know you could become the change you want to see in the org? It's not like PSL and DSA are like working at Amazon.
Why do you assume I'm not doing anything? I'm active in my union, I'm a DSA member and I'm trying to leave and join PSL
Hell if I know, I'm just rationalizing my DSA entryism
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No dude bro sitting at home and complaining about entryism is how change was made bro. Trust me bro just keep complaining to the void of online spaces about how none of the orgs are perfectly inline with my political ideology. It works trust me bro.
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Exactly. The truth is you don't want to put in the effort and would rather waste your time blabbering online to echo chambers. Talking to people and getting them to the see the importance of a revolutionary struggle takes a ton of effort and time. There's not many people who currently agree with this approach which mean it takes even more effort, so instead do nothing and let the working class and BIPOC folks continue to take the worst possible conditions instead of doing anything to make their material conditions even slightly better currently. What a great comrade.
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Oh true. You're just here to try and get people to do nothing. Well better luck next time.
Rejecting one approach which has never worked in favor of the other approach which has never worked.
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