Take a seat and learn

Ableist to people who have a hard time sitting still and learning in traditional environments. See how easy that was?

Unfortunately, there's almost no condescension without comparison, so unless you want to try and lead a socialist revolution while only referring to your enemies as "really bad guys" some allowances might have to be made.

Put this nonsense in the dunk tank and get this off my Christian feed. Imagine thinking calling somebody "lazy" is ableist lol. It's always about language, isn't it, and never about anything that material benefits disabled folks, huh?

this is 2015 tumblr 'pee your pants' is ableist' discourse all over again

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Actual serious resource on this subject without needless twitter condescension

https://libguides.ufv.ca/c.php?g=705905&p=5022576

Started off good and then went into uh, some really insulting territory. A lot of these in an attempt to defend neuraldivergent people actually ends up attacking them for example the part on empathy. Most talk about a group of people lacking empathy is actually just an ableist lie rather than them actually lacking it. All this thread does then for that part is perpetuate the lie.

Some of it is also clearly personal pet peeve rather than actual language problems. Many people do prefer to use terms such as differently abled with themselves.

Another one is Asperger's, many people grew up with the term and identify as having Asperger's or as an aspie, they are not anti-semitic for doing this.

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So I saw a bunch of people dinking on this on twitter and looked at it. Started out fine. Was like “right on, some of this seems a bit excessive, but I get it”

Then got farther in the thread. It’s problematic to say the least lol

Tone deaf doesn’t have to do with not understanding social cues. She doesn’t understand this phrase obviously. To imply that those with ASD lack empathy, or are inherently tone death, as if they’d go out to a funeral and make a joke about how the person died when giving the eulogy…. Is super insulting

and there are people who have lost touch w reality but this doesn't mean they don't deserve respect

Okay at this point you're just being condescending

My bad, fell for a /r/tumblrinaction style post and got mad at something that's harmless at worst

This is kind of a mixed bag of terms. I'm generally in agreement with the application of explicitly and solely medical terminology being applied out of its context as being harmful language. That is, the belittling of ADHD and OCD etc. by way of attempted sympathy. This is obviously harmful. On the other hand, some of these are so far removed from any specific medical condition, or are in reference to conditions so common to human history, that the term in question doesn't seem to be used in a way that meaningfully stigmatizes the condition further. In other words, words can have multiple meanings. By this, I'm talking about the use of blind, insane, dumb, stupid, tone deaf, psychotic etc. Often those are used as strong language, and strong language is no substitute for real argument, but I think there are better reasons to avoid using them in serious argument or characterization outside of claims of ableism. Calling someone you don't agree with stupid isn't usually convincing to them, and in itself doesn't constitute an argument; on the other hand, it's a useful idiomatic shorthand for inherently short sighted positions informed by nationalist propaganda. The r word does still have its attached stigma; that's why no one complains about banning it in our supportive leftist space.

All that said, explicitly policing wide swathes of informal language, where the claim of ableism is arguable, is in itself a form of classism often. Insisting that comrades who have been failed by the already shallow education system, whose natural expression of their own oppression will likely include many of these terms, have themselves become an oppressor by not using sufficiently formalized language, that they have failed to meet a standard for comradeship by not changing deeply ingrained parts of their idiomatic expressions, reeks of a privilege without a praxis. Should we try to use better language than this? Of course. But it should be because we have better arguments to make and as a natural extension of community strengthening, not as a measure of immediate linguistic purity. To insist otherwise is to emphasize an exclusionary measure against the naturally expressed informal form of language as it is really spoken. I welcome someone explaining to me why being more thoughtful than the blanket condemnation of any language that refers to disability or can be construed as referring to disability is a bad thing.

Pre-post edit: I am once again sincere posting on dunkable material that I took at face value. Post still stands though, ableism is worth thinking about so we can resist the inevitable turn to making it the next battlefield of identity politics without meaningful change.

e: saying autistic people don't have empathy...wtf. I honestly think that this thread might be an elaborate bit.

I agree with 90% of this stuff, but the condescension really really doesn't help, and is itself kinda ableist in the demands it places on people to listen to you and engage. it just comes off as old school tumblr holier than thou 'activism'

https://twitter.com/REbr0/status/1412041114970898434?s=19

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