https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahclazarus/status/1458624042714341378
She works for the pod Johns, which I guess isn't shocking.
:what-the-hell:
Why would anyone say that to a 'friend'
Edit: I hope I did not start something
I'm not on the men's right tip or anything, but this is the exact type of Patriarchy that negatively impacts the fellas. Not only are you not allowed to have feelings in the first place, but you're undeserving of compassion because of your inability to maintain a partner. "You failed, because you're a failure as a sexual being and as a man overall", is some real slimely shit and sadly permeates through our society and discourse. Again, not on the MGTOW wave, but this is the exact type of toxic masculinity that just makes things worse for men and subsequently the people who are interested in men.
Also is some really shitty "friend" behavior.
Remember y'all we are out here building up our homies now! 🧑🤝🧑
Remember y'all we are out here building up our homies now! 🧑🤝🧑
Hell yeah we are :soviet-huff: :meow-hug:
Yup! Dismantling patriarchy is always the goal. Really one of those instance of a win-win for everyone. I wish feminism as it is today wasn't so interwoven with the gross "zero sum" mentality that so many modern dudes have been misled into thinking. We get a wider range of expression when feminism is implemented, which is both cool and good.
:inshallah:
At this point I just write shit like that to upset them lol
I just didn't want to come off as a one of those dudes. I have voiced similar sentiments in the past online and I found just the worst types of guys agree with me. I don't rock with MGTOW or Men's Rights groups, or anything like that, but there is sadly an overlap between them and the stuff I said above. I'm just trying to make sure folks know/care for those things. Toxic masculinity is awful and should be an opportunity for solidarity rather than the butt of the joke as it often (not saying you can't make jokes about stuff either, just sayin' that toxic masculinity makes everything worse). Hopefully that comes across as sincere and not weird.
It's the same as when you criticize Dems and psycho rightoids think you are one of them. Sometimes they can identify a problem but completely miss how to actually fix it or who is causing it.
really, you don’t need to explain yourself for not liking toxicity from some privileged twitter douche.
Did they say “toxic femininity” at first? Because that is a common misogynistic dog whistle and not a great choice of words since it’s already often used by misogynists.
I didn't use that term in my original post. I, too, know that is some dog whistle shit. I don't fuck with that.
Also is some really shitty “friend” behavior.
Right? Like putting aside that she's basically being the flipside girlboss white feminist version of MGTOW not recognizing that patriarchy hurts men also: she sounds like a fucking terrible friend to have.
Like seriously...haven't we all had a friend (man, woman, or they) who has called on us looking for comfort and in our head we thought: "yeah...you maybe kinda set yourself up for this." Except we don't say that thought out loud. At least not right then.
Right then we focus on supporting and validating their pain and their feelings because they're our fucking friend goddamn it! This isn't hard.
I think it's just a female solidarity joke, not a "men need to man harder" joke
is this unironic chauvinism? is that the world we live in? where unironic female chauvinism is rampant and a woman on twitter reads the room and decides "my audience of a bunch of women are all parasitic, conniving bloodsuckers so I'm sure they'll get a kick out of this totally sincere, unironic chauvinism I'm about to post on twitter"?
imv It's a variant on the joke where one character says, "I just broke up with my girlfriend!"
Then the well-meaning-but-awkward friend / acerbic parent will say "Well, you're never going to do so well as her again!"
I feel like That 70's Show did this a lot with Eric and Donna's relationship, if you watched that. Sort of a kick the puppy joke, you find someone who's mourning then say something that makes it worse because it's hilariously true.
the joke is that she sided with the woman instead of her friend so she inverted the usual "my friend just got dumped" stock phrases
I see. She should probably have used 3 stock phrases then, to improve the joke density and cut the verbal shrug at the end.
idk if it's ironic or unironic, I think the joke sort of rests on that. I'm not accusing anyone in this of being a parasitic bloodsucker. I just found it to be a mean joke, and certainly not a joke that would arise from solidarity.
idk man, I haven't seen a single she/her comrade get offended in this thread, and I think it's because they spend more time in female-skewing spaces online and listening to other women's jokes in person and and they have a better ear for tone in the jokes other women tell
i'll admit i might be a little reactive to this, lmao. if i heard this joke irl i'd probably take it in stride
I can see that angle. In and of itself, it's harmless joke and instances of female solidarity are always dope. That said, when she uses the qualifier "friend" it changes the context a lot. I clown on my boyz all the time; but when someone is hurting, that's probably not a great time to remind them of their supposed inferiority. I'm not saying you're sayin' that, of course, I'm just saying this joke changes a lot when one says that they're someone's friend. At least, it does for me.
Women aren’t inherently less sexist or nasty than men
Women generally are less sexist, but internalized patriarchy is a thing.
People affected by a system of oppression daily almost always have a better understanding of it than those less affected by it.
I don’t want to thank an account named Gonzalo. This is a good take though.
Yes we are what the fuck. Apply this to another group of people:
“gay people aren’t inherently less homophobic or nasty than straights”
Not a good take.
This is why if rather be alone than in any kind of relationship. In this shit hole country Men's mental health is treated like a joke or ignored at best, but often treated with distain and hostility if you even bring it up. No one cares, men exist to be worked to death, even the left has this problem where people will tell you to shut up, get over yourself and get back to work
I don’t think that’s what is going on in this tweet but I’m sorry you’re hurting.
then what? ive seen people vague circling around it in defence but nothing concrete
I read it as a throwaway joke because they make other shitposts like that on their TL. There’s some garbage people on twitter, but she’s just a progressive lib who writes stuff dunking on sinema.
It’s so over the top it’s pretty obvious, kind of like the “trust me bruh” jokes guys make.
:vivian-shrug:
people who think being white magically gives you super powers and other people who think a robot god created the universe
Could you send those to me? That sounds like amazing slop.
Ohhhh, okay. Yeah that makes sense. Took me a sec to make that connection.
:amerikkka:
I sometimes forget there's good faith progressives associated with the Pod John network. I just assume they all have essentially Sinema's politics (like the Pod Johns).
Yeah, it’s a mixed bag. Some of them might eventually go further left, but haven’t yet. They should be dunked on for bad takes, but this is a joke about gender norms that pissed off some people imho.
As someone who has been there, I promise you there are people even in our hellworld out there who won't treat you like this. I have had "friends" and relationships in my life who laughed in my face and told me to "man up" even in the single most traumatic awful time of my life and I have chosen not to associate with them anymore. The kind of empathetic supportive friendship and even love that supports your mental health is out there.
I love how you're literally doing what the comment you responded to is talking about. Treating your "solutions" to mental health as if they will work on everyone is one of the reasons why mental health has such a terrible discourse around it. "Just tough up and do what I did, get a partner!" is absolutely terrible. Having a partner doesn't solve any mental health problems. People with partners have issues all the time.
Pretty disgusting to call that "silly". Just fix your problems by entering a relationship, duh. Sure.
they didn't say solve, they said easier. which is objectively true lol. even if it is just a friend or two instead of an intimate relationship. self-isolation is believed to be one of the worst things you can do for your mental health
yes i am aware making and maintaining relationships, be they platonic or intimate, is harder for those of us who are neurodivergent, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a necessary part of being human/self-actualization
I know this is such a :stupidpol: take, but this is the shit nazis point to in order to turn impressionable young men into nazis too. From Jordan Peterson to The Golden One, they point to this and claim that they just want to "help" men.
EDIT: Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not saying that "Oh, I don't blame them". I just fucking hate that this same thing happens over and over again, yet no one has wisened up. As an ex-hog, I can assure you that these lot have done NOTHING for men.
You’re right, nazis do point to any time a woman makes a shitpost as justification for wanting to lock us up in kitchens again.
You will never reduce the number of those "examples" to 0 though, and as long as there is 1 example the grift works. So I don't think this is where to apply the pressure
I read through her other tweets and this is one of many shitposts. She’s a progressive lib who also dunks on :death-to-the-poor: for sincerely having these kinds of beliefs.
:vivian-shrug:
I didn't say the joke landed well, but I don't think this tweet would be here if a dude had posted it lol
Jokes where “it’s actually me who’s the butt of this joke” is the punchline, should be left behind, we’ve moved on from this style of comedy
Look, I have exactly one way to be funny. Don't take this away from me.
After some careful consideration, you have to establish you’ve suffered or are suffering for this to land
In my experience, "things where I strongly believed one thing to be true when it was very much not, leading to hijinks" is the winning delivery. Mixing that in with a callback at the end where you make the same mistake can also justify it. Being the butt of the joke is fine if it is really you who is the butt of the joke. It becomes a problem when you become a proxy for other people.
I just encountered this tiktok where I think she sells the idea she’s the cause of her problems by escalating again and again beyond what seems reasonable, which is hard to do with such limited characters. If you cant turn the ratchet beyond what people think is safe then people take it at face value
Yeah, I can see where she's going with it, but I agree that she's not really reaching the threshold of the unexpected, which makes it more uncomfortable than it is funny. I think there's probably a way in which a similar bit can be done in a similar amount of time and be funny, but it is harder, both because the 'hijinks' seem less like an incoherent logical error than just being another angry shopper and because the area the bit is working in is intrinsically uncomfortable and 'too real'.
If I were going to try and do the same bit, I'd probably go with.
"So, uh, I found out something pretty awful today. Not like, 'oh no, the sun will consume the earth in a million years' awful, though. More like 'you only exist because your parents boned' awful. Uh, yeah, sorry for reminding you.
So I was at Starbucks and I was getting a 'holiday beverage', which I would generally assume is just egg nog with extra rum not a latte, but I'm already over that betrayal. And I, uh, asked the barista to replace the whole milk with half-n-half. But she just looked at me funny. Honestly, I just assumed it was the drunken slur, but I guess not, because she said, 'What?'
And I said 'Could I replace the milk in the drink with half-n-half?'
She looked at me funny again and said, 'But... why?'
At this point, I was certain that she was not confused by the smell of, uh, holiday beverage on my breath and my uneven speech, so I just said. 'Well, you know, I'm lactose intolerant.'
'Okay, but half-n-half still has dairy in it.'
And, you know, I'm not stupid, so I said, 'Yeah, but only half!'
Anyway, turns out I got that wrong. The other half is apparently cream, not water, which does explain why I keep getting the shits... I just assumed it was the egg nog, to be honest.
At that point, I knew there was no way I was going to make it out of the conversation looking normal, so my nog-addled noggin decided to apply itself to the nearest bag of coffee beans and rip it open with my teeth. I'm, uh, I'm a biter when I get anxious, see. Yeah, it makes dating hard, too...
So then I kinda booked it, because I was pretty sure they were gonna call the cops, and as I ran away the barista chased me and slipped on the coffee beans on the ground...
So, what're you locked up for?"
I'd need to trim it a little, but the framework moves from 'this is just uncomfortable' to 'this is a wreck of a human being doing things that don't make any sense, and that's kinda funny.' It also breaks the beats up a little with interjections that keep the audience primed to laugh.
and rip it open with my teeth. I’m, uh, I’m a biter when I get anxious, see. Yeah, it makes dating hard, too…
lol
It's the type of humour that works well in long form (a podcast or a tv show) where a character is established. As a one off twitter one-liner, it just makes me think this is her worldview.
idk, to me personally this joke doesn't seem any more offensive than some shit a standup comic would say
i'm always bemused at this kind of 'whoa why so TRIGGERED' response when someone is just pointing out something stupid, often for a laugh (that is what the dunk tank seems to be for, btw). keep this idiocy within chuddy spaces plz
but this isn't even stupid, it's a completely harmless and obvious joke
i don't dispute that it's harmless and obvious, but it still doesn't make any sense beyond 'i'm a terrible friend and it's good that men are sad when they get dumped (??)'
Men examine your unresolved resentment issues to become an even better person challenge (EXTREMELY DIFFICULT)
Yeah, but that's the same as saying that it is not funny, but is moderately offensive.
It’s still a mixed bag but it’s less “bitches be shopping” than it used to be
When I was a much younger, I saw a play called Comedians that ruined standup for me, I'm afraid.
Lmao haven’t heard of that one specifically but comedians get super cringe and self-congratulatory when they start talking about themselves as a group lol
It's actually all about the ways in which the commercial pressures on comedians lead to them creating impoverished, harmful comedy. It's a thoughtful treatment of the problem of bigotry in comedy.
shoving the 200 posts about Dave Chappelle behind the door. We would never deign to make posts about offensive jokes here!
To be clear, this is not a defense of Dave, who can blow me.
Punching up vs punching down, etc. idk man comparing this to Dave Chapelle seems like a massive, massive stretch
Your comment was a comparison to stand-up comedy, implying that it's unworthy of posting because of that. There were dozens of posts about Dave Chappelle's stand-up comedy, which was all stuff that's completely in the norm for stand-up comedy.
I’m not saying “offensive shit is fine if it’s a joke” I’m saying this isn’t offensive
you’re offended by this joke because you’re projecting an attitude onto it that isn’t there.
maybe I shouldn’t be vague. in this thread, there’s not a single she/her comrade offended by this joke. are all the women on this site man-haters? or are men on this site projecting their own resentments and insecurities into this tweet?
What's the joke
Why would women be offended by a joke about how men are bad
Are you saying the women on this site don’t care about men? Are you saying they’re too shallow to have empathy for you?
next day edit so I can get this thread out of my mind and offload the frustration:
for the record, this thread was during the pumpkin spice thing when we had a user making alts to curse out and threaten to kill women on this site because he decided women are shallow man-haters with no empathy. People have been calling him a wrecker but his original account is 2 months old and pretty convincing. a wrecker smart enough to run a 2-month long con where they get a good handle on leftist ideas and shitpost lingo and write a bunch of well-liked comments isn't gonna blow it like that.
I'm not saying people in this thread are as sexist as that dude, but I am saying that finding and liking this site is not a guarantee that a dude has a healthy perception of women and has examined his own baggage. The same shit applies to me too, so I'm not gonna fucking scoff like the idea is preposterous if someone says I might be thinking in a sexist way. Because I might be, and sometimes I am. That's the fucking world we live in, right? Deprogramming this shit is a lifelong process, right? Vilification and infantilization of women since the dawn of human history doesn't just disappear from your mind when you decide capitalism sucks.
The joke is that she sided with the woman instead of her friend so she inverted all the usual “my friend just got dumped” stock phrases. It’s a female solidarity joke.
don’t feel like posting the same comments multiple times so idk just read the thread dude
What are the usual "my friend just got dumped" stock phrases? Like "there are always more fish in the sea?" I think there's a genre of joke here that you're apparently tuned into and I'm not.
Also I used to unironically think like this lmao toxic masculinity is a fuck
fun fact , there was also a Lazarus order in the Crusader Age
a bunch of untouchable Warriors suffering from Leprosy ...
'you are right to be sad' doesn't even seem to me like a bad thing to say, it validates their feelings, right?
and its kind of silly that it's standard to put down the source of someone being upset, most breakups aren't one sided & fostering resentment isn't necessarily what should be encouraged for coping
i understand this a joke fyi but i agree it should've leaned harder so it wouldn't have gone over heads
Maybe this will be the attitude that fosters a productive sense of masculinity in the next generation of kids...
As a cis man being toxic to other guys is part of my culture and I approve.
Search your long repressed feelings, you know this to be true but can never acknowledge it because that would imply you had feelings and we can't admit to that as men.
Oh wow we're really doing the "low value men" meme huh? :bern-disgust:
Yeah, this could've been a good joke with sufficient setup and context, but to me it feels like when random left-twitter people do ironic racism or something. Like I get the bit you're doing because I've been following you for months, but ofc people are going to think you're just a racist shithead.
https://twitter.com/MargBarAmerica/status/1458890247249350656
This response was pretty good, however you slice it.
