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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • solaranus
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    1 year ago

    deleted by creator

    • ItsPequod [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I think that's whats blown me away about all this the most, nobody is motivated by love for Ukraine, not really, everyone cheerleading for them just hates Russians just that much

      • GundamZZ [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Dominant westoid culture is based on destruction and degeneration.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Russian propaganda: Look, we gave these dead Ukrainians a proper orthodox burial!

      Ukrainian propaganda: Look how disrespectful and Nazi we are about these dead Russians!

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Meanwhile Russia is giving Orthodox funeral rites and burying the dead Ukrainian soldiers that the Ukrainians refuse to come and pick up when the Russians offered a ceasefire to return them…

  • jackmarxist [any]
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    2 years ago

    Wake up Babe! It's time for your daily Nazi apologia thread!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/vbow77/a_german_soldier_returns_home_only_to_find_his/

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      You would never see Redditors writing walls of text empathizing with the plight of Chinese soldiers in WW2 or Iraqi soldiers and putting themselves in their shoes and coming up with pithy quotes of remorse and profound sadness. They only do this for Nazis and reactionaries.

        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          They justify it to themselves as “nuance” and playing devils advocate, which in their mind makes them better than those petty, irrational emotional people who take a side.

          Yet they oddly only do this for white colonialist nations and their agents. You never ever see them playing devils advocate for soldiers of the DPRK in the Korean War, or Iranian Revolutionary Guard, or Algerian nationalists.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      In 50 years, on whatever has replaced Reddit by then:

      Devastating: Israeli returns to one of his houses in the West Bank to find his Palestinian child slaves missing

    • jackal [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      In a similar vein, /r/Ukraine had a thread about hunting the "collaborator, traitor" Kirill Stremousov who was interviewed by PL the other day. I reported it for encouring violence but just got the "nope, we checked and it's not violent" from :reddit-logo: admins :reddit-cool:

      He doesn't seem like a particularly good guy but damn

      • voice_of_hermes [he/him,any]
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        2 years ago

        Idly wishing COVID had gotten more politicians, on the other hand, merits a permanent suspension. :reddit-logo: :thumb-cop:

    • lascaux [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      /r/historyporn is one of the absolute worst subs for this sort of shit

      • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        One of those places that respects the troops no matter which troops (Except for communists, Russians and revolutionaries of course)

  • JamesGoblin [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    By Larry Johnsson [https://sonar21.com/why-the-west-lusts-after-ukraine/]:

    "...Let me share with you some critical facts about Ukraine and its economic potential. When you consider these facts you will likely wonder why Ukraine is not one of the richest nations in Europe.

    UKRAINE IS:

    • 1st in Europe in proven recoverable uranium ore reserves;

    • 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in titanium ore reserves;

    • 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of world reserves);

    • The 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);

    • 2nd place in Europe in mercury ore reserves;

    • 3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in terms of shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters);

    • 4th place in the world in terms of the total value of natural resources;

    • 7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons).

    Ukraine is an important agricultural country:

    • 1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;

    • 3rd place in the world by the area of chernozem (25% of the world volume);

    • 1st place in the world in the export of sunflower and sunflower oil;

    • 2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley export;

    • 3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;

    • The 4th largest potato producer in the world;

    • The 5th largest rye producer in the world;

    • 5th place in the world for honey production (75,000 tons);

    • 8th place in the world in wheat exports;

    • 9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;

    • 16th place in the world in cheese exports.

    Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

    Ukraine was an important industrially developed country:

    • 1st in Europe in ammonia production;

    • The 2nd and 4th largest natural gas pipeline systems in the world;

    • 3rd largest in Europe and 8th in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;

    • 3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of the length of the railway network (21,700 km);

    • 3rd place in the world (after the USA and France) in the production of locators and navigation equipment;

    • 3rd largest iron exporter in the world;

    • The 4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;

    • The world’s 4th largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;

    • 4th place in the world in clay exports;

    • 4th place in the world in titanium exports;

    • 8th place in the world in the export of ores and concentrates;

    • 9th place in the world in the export of defense industry products;

    • The 10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

    I found this list stunning. A country with these natural riches should be on top of the world economically. But Ukraine lags the rest of Europe. The explanation is simple–western politicians and businessmen, such as Mitt Romney, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, John McCain and a legion of others, have their hooks in Ukraine and are expropriating Ukrainian wealth for their own enrichment."

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      A nation being rich in resources does not equal a rich developed nation. That is only the case if the wealth gained from those resources goes to the development of the nation, the education of the populace & that money stays internally within Ukraine.

      Some of the most resource rich nations on earth are the most cash poor because they have been colonized, with a comprador class working to keep the profits private and flowing out to the imperialists

        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Well it’s not a curse for nations that are within the imperial core and free from attack and coups. It’s a boon for Norway and the US for example. It’s also beneficial to have lots of resources if you are able to stand up to the global hegemon (such as Russia, China or Iran).

          It’s only really a curse if you are a small powerless nation who can’t stand up to the imperialists and draws their attention

    • jackal [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Only thing I wonder but without the sources to back it up, he listed only American names. No doubt there are rich motherfuckers from other countries who also enjoy expropriating Ukrainian wealth?

  • zeal0telite [he/him,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Love to watch everything get more expensive because my dumb-fuck country couldn't help but pucker up for the United States as it fails to use its monopolistic economic power to wipe out a country they're still mad at for doing Communism several decades ago.

  • ClathrateG [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vc3l63/finlands_last_lenin_monument_removed_from_streets/ wow can't believe the country that still using swastikas did this

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          Lenin walks around the world.
          Frontiers cannot bar him.
          Neither barracks nor barricades impede.
          Nor does barbed wire scar him.

          Lenin walks around the world.
          Black, brown, and white receive him.
          Language is no barrier.
          The strangest tongues believe him.

          Lenin walks around the world.
          The sun sets like a scar.
          Between the darkness and the dawn
          There rises a red star.

        • plov_mix [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Because those non white people don’t know better!! They need us white people to save them! Ah woe is our burden!

    • jackal [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I think they finally retired official use of the swastika in the Finnish air force around the start of the pandemic

  • JamesGoblin [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    A fantastic story full of phantoms and smoke [Russian source - https://t.me/rybar/33912]: Frenchies supply cluster munition (banned by the Oslo Convention, thus which France "destroyed to the last one" years ago) to Ukraine ("almost ran out of artilery shells" if you remember) who then spend that which they almost don't have to fight Russians ...bomb and kill civilians in Donbass - it happens as we speak!?

    But it doesn't really matter, since - according to western media - these murders never happened anyway.

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    Summary:

    News:

    Apparently there won't be a recession in Europe! The European Commission says that they're fine with Ukraine joining the EU, but the actual countries in the EU probably won't be. Ukraine has lost 25% of its arable land to war, but that's not too awful because a lot of people have left Ukraine - thank god there isn't a campaign to transport the remaining grain out of the country to the detriment of its citizens. Russia starts to strip anti-war protestors of their citizenship, while their oil revenue soars, as China and India now make 50% of Russia's seaborne oil exports. Poland looks at Ukraine and says that it also wants a ton of new weapons. The UK is sending record amounts of gas and oil to the EU, while the EU is annoyed with the UK for breaking the law on the whole Northern Ireland Brexit thing. The real wages of UK workers tumble at the fastest rate in 20 years, while fuel prices hit new heights. There are also protests over the UK sending migrants to Rwanda, with Corbyn coming out to make a brief speech. Macron says that France now has a war economy. German inflation is nearly the highest it's been in 50 years.

    An article on China and the Pacific, for those who don't really know what's going on over there. China wants stronger security ties with Pakistan. Taiwan says that the Taiwan Strait is an international waterway and that it's fine for US battleships to float through it, as literally every country would be fine if a hostile power put their navy off their shores. Laos says they might ban their citizens from holding foreign currencies in order to address national currency issues. Japan farmers are switching some of their farms from rice to wheat. Indian pollution reduces the life expectancy of people there by 10 years. India's Supreme Court recognizes sex work as a profession, and that sex workers should not be harassed by the police. Russia is now India's 2nd largest oil supplier, outpacing Saudi Arabia, but still behind Iraq. Weaning Indonesia off coal will be difficult.

    The Secretary General of the Arab League says that the US has been berating them to support Ukraine and not Russia, but they aren't gonna do what the US says. Israel is now conducting military drills near the Gaza fence. Meanwhile, Israelis start panicking that their nation is doomed because historically, Jewish rule has almost never lasted longer than 80 years, and Israel was founded in 1948 - almost as if Israel is cursed after it was built upon a native burial ground. Maybe the prophecy has some substance, as Israel's ruling coalition is about to fall apart, which would then cause the fifth election in three years.

    Biden has an opportunity in Saudi Arabia, apparently. Pakistan is facing a major energy crisis, similar to Sri Lanka, with 12 hour blackouts due to reduced fuel imports because Europe is hogging all of it. Iraq just had another big sandstorm, closing Baghdad airport. A chemical factory in Iran just exploded, while the heads of Iran and Afghanistan's railways want mutual cooperation to get some trains going.

    Over 15,000 sheep drown in Sudan after too many were packed onto a boat. Libya is facing a serious political crisis - who can say why these have kept popping up over the last decade. The French army tactically retreats from a Mali army base. Gambia gets a ~$7 million disbursement from the IMF.

    Canada wants to start mining Africa for minerals. Elizabeth Warren realize that the real problem with the US military is that it's not green enough, and so want more electric vehicles - hopefully they buy some cars from Tesla. There will be a recession. There might be a recession. There will be a recession. There is still inflation. The US wants more Russian fertilizer due to the fertilizer markets going haywire and the oncoming global food crisis. Prices for workers rise by more than 9% - hopefully Joe Biden will successfully answer the parliamentarian's riddles three and get us some aid this year. The US military realizes that they actually have to have an air defence when you aren't fighting shepherds and terrorists, and so wants lasers. America also starts drilling more oil.

    Chile's drought is still really bad and getting worse, as lakes turn into deserts. Honduras starts planting cashews rather than corn as they're better at surviving local conditions. Ecuadorian indigenous groups protest economic policies by their conservative president, as fuel prices are so high.

    Food giants get even richer, with 62 new food billionaires coming in existence over the last 2 years, as global food prices go up by 33%.

    Conflict:

    Ukraine starts really bombarding Donetsk city for no apparent military reason, hitting a maternity hospital - and, Ukraine hits a Russian settlement 50km into Russian territory. There's a good roundup by Canadian Dimension on how fucking stupid the western media has been during the war, such as that Russia obviously thought they could capture and hold a city with 3 million civilians and 60,000 Ukrainian troops with 40,000 Russian troops. Western media is reporting that Russia blew up the last bridge to Severodonetsk, while Russia reports that Ukraine did it. Business Insider finally realizes that Russia's T-62 tanks aren't going to be used in epic tank battles with Ukraine, and so do in fact have a use. The makers of the Javelin forgot to properly translate their ~300 page manual to Ukrainian, resulting in Ukraine needing customer service. US officials say that it's probably not a big deal that we don't know where our weapons are going in Ukraine.

    Climate:

    More green hydrogen, this time in India. The UN Secretary General says that new investments in fossil fuels are delusional. Also, it turns out if you feed cows red seaweed, they produce less methane.

    Dipshittery and Good Takes:

    WaPo makes another article about how China and Russia are autocratic besties working to destroy all things bright and beautiful in the West. Zelensky says that he'll retake Donbass and Crimea. Forbes writes an article about how 54 quintillion Russia and Donbass soldiers have died. Warren Buffett's son, who is 67 years old(!) says that he's never seen a war which generates millions of refugees in his lifetime. Ukrainian troops become twisted fucking cyclepaths, dehumanizing dead Russian soldiers. Apparently, there are significant Ukrainian "successes" near Kherson. 15% of Russia's millionaires are leaving Russia, owning the Putler once again. On the not-so-brighter side, Jacobin writes an article about how the Fed is declaring war on workers (always has been).

    • jackal [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Prices for workers rise by more than 9% - hopefully Joe Biden will successfully answer the parliamentarian’s riddles three and get us some aid this year.

      The parliamentarian is only the first boss; the Constitution says the senior senator from Arizona has veto powers.

      :death-to-the-poor:

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Also, don't forget that the ghost of Jim Crow holds a sacred and inalienable right to a filibuster.

  • jackal [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Russian forces cut off last routes out of eastern Ukraine city Reuters

    Wonder if it will later come out that Ukraine blew up the bridge. I agree with what DefensePoliticsAsia said, seems a little weird for Russia to blow up the bridge they need to use to advance to Lysychansk :thonk: it'd be smarter to hold the bridge under fire control if Russia/LPR wants to cut off the supply line.

  • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Russia is reporting that Ukrainian nationalists troops have gunned down 32 Ukrainian soldiers as they were trying to surrender. This happened in Mariupol's oblast.

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Imagine how many Ukrainian troops would be surrendering or deserting right now if not for the nationalist rifles aimed at their backs by the Kiev regime

  • StalinistApologist [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    youtube is recommending lib-ass videos from a channel called 1420 which asks people in moscow a bunch of leading questions like "do you think russians will have to pay for the reconstruction of ukraine?" which are propagandistic but also it seems like a good channel to learn russian from if you can handle all the lib shit.

    it seems like comments are on but only the creator can read them? the swag store only sells items with the logo "1420". kind of a hard channel to wrap my head around, but if i had to guess, it's anti-russian videos made in moscow. anyone else seen this channel?

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      "When did you stop storing intermediate range ballistic missiles with nuclear capability on the borders of your wife?"

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Reading random "1420" sounds like its referencing some historical Russian shit that I'm too lazy to research right now, maybe I'm wrong though.

      • StalinistApologist [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I looked him up some more, and he said 1420 is just a school he attended. (?)

        He's just an average 21 yr old asking leading questions of his fellow moscovites for consumption by westerners. the channel existed before the invasion and every video title looks like it's set up to make russians look bad. edit: the channel's purpose is to bring russian voices of dissent to the world

        random article about him https://www.yahoo.com/video/youtuber-shows-russians-chilling-reactions-174313562.html

        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Ah so he’s just a comprador western worshipping lib. Very sus when protests in a foreign nation are all aimed at English speaking westerners.

          Please help us, please sanction us, please invade us. I will be your loyal house slave.

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      It is caused by both because it’s essentially just a ratio between the two.

      The money supply was increased by 45% in 2020. There is no way that this did not impact inflation

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Interest rates do not affect inflation period, mainstream economics likes to push the theory that monetary policy is effective because frankly it is like the evangelical pastor claiming faith healing works. It is kind of fundamental to keep the whole circus going, but the empirical evidence is against it.

      I like to point to Michael Roberts post on this issue. First I'd point out that inflation is being caused not only by the supply chain but also the skyrocketing corporate profits of the past 3 years. Also at the same time raising interest rates is not going to work unless the rates realy skyrocket over 3 or 4x the current value. Whatever you read in the MSM about inflation and interest rates you can pretty much ignore it.

      As always I recommend the articles completely. Inflation: wages versus profits

      Since the COVID slump, labour’s share of income and real wages have been falling sharply even as unemployment falls. This is the complete opposite of the Keynesian inflation theory and the so-called ‘iron law of wages’ proposed by Weston against Marx. The rise in inflation has not been driven by anything that looks like an overheating labour market—instead it has been driven by higher corporate profit margins and supply-chain bottlenecks. That means that central banks hiking interest rates to ‘cool down’ labour markets and reduce wage rises will have little effect on inflation and are more likely to cause stagnation in investment and consumption, thus provoking a slump.

      The Economic Policy Institute reckons that, since the trough of the COVID-19 recession in the second quarter of 2020, overall prices in the producing sector of the US economy have risen at an annualised rate of 6.1%—a pronounced acceleration over the 1.8% price growth that characterized the pre-pandemic business cycle of 2007–2019. Over half of this increase (53.9%) can be attributed to fatter profit margins, with labour costs contributing less than 8% of this increase. This is not normal. From 1979 to 2019, profits only contributed about 11% to price growth and labour costs over 60%. Non labour inputs (raw materials and components) are also driving up prices more than usual in the current economic recovery.

      and

      The inflation debate

      Central banks have little control over the ‘real economy’ in capitalist economies and that includes any inflation of prices in goods or services. For the 30 years of general price disinflation (where price rises slow or even deflate), central banks struggled to meet their usual 2% annual inflation target with their usual weapons of interest rates and monetary injections. And it will be the same story in trying this time to reduce inflation rates. As I have argued before, all the central banks were caught napping as inflation rates soared. And why was this? In general, because the capitalist mode of production does not move in a steady, harmonious and planned way but instead in a jerky, uneven and anarchic manner, of booms and slumps. But also, they misread the nature of the inflationary spiral, relying as they do on the incorrect theories of inflation.

      The hardline monetarists call for sharp rises in interest rates to curb demand while the Keynesians worry about wage-push inflation as rising wages ‘force’ companies to raise prices. But inflation rates did not rise when central banks pumped trillions into the banking system to avoid a meltdown during the global financial crash of 2008-9 or during the COVID pandemic. All that money credit from ‘quantitative easing’ ended up as near-zero cost funding for financial and property speculation. ‘Inflation’ took place in stock and housing markets, not in the shops. What that means is that US Federal Reserve’s ‘pivot’ towards interest rate rises and reverse QE will not control inflation rates.

    • RonPaulBlart [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Dumbo here: why does increasing interests rates result in debt being harder to pay off? You mean debt accrued after the interest rates have risen?

      • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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        2 years ago

        It’s not about harder to pay off but actually about discouraging lending, which will cause a recession because then companies can’t/won’t borrow to make payroll and lay people off.

        The inflation is being forced at the top to “balance out” worker’s wages being so high. Fed officials have said as much. Companies are hiring people, every new hire and old hire is demanding higher pay, so companies are raising prices.

        The only way the govt can choose to react to this is force a recession to lay people off.

        A more rational govt planning would just put them to work on a variety of projects.

        • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Except they can't because we are already in an actual labor shortage in many areas. Normally that is the valve they would release, but it is unavailable. The reason companies have to raise wages is because they have to attract workers in order to remain competitive. I think their hope is to redistribute the population to those labor short areas, which will allow for that pressure to drop, but with housing and rent prices the way they are, most people can't afford to move.

          It really is a total clusterfuck, that will probably be floated by more bad credit.

          • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Govt projects are a fiscal policy and not a monetary one. And the govt. is essentially deadlocked. Otherwise you could offload some of the high wages to govt. largesse and boost consumer demand without affecting private companies. That said, the other factor affecting all this is China; they continue to shut down entire cities to maintain zero covid and American companies are paying the price. I would also blame the Ukraine war, lol.

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Michelle Bachelet isn't seeking a second term for her position after Western politicians and media got really mad over her Xinjiang investigation. I'm expecting the next person to be rabidly anti-China and fixated on it.