The left should not support the transphobic, TERF ideology, gender essentialist, racist self hating 4B movement. That movement "feminism as neocolonialism" personified.
warning: murder, SV, racism
Their forums have celebrated killing innocent men as well as sexually harrassing men, celebrated the sexual assault and rape of boys, and encourages having sexual relations with colonialist US troops, along with perpetuating racist tropes about Korean men. They are also extremely transphobic and homophobic. This movement will not lead to women's liberation.
Holy fuck, thank you for pointing this shit out. I see so many feminist accounts on social media celebrate 4B, and I actually get really scared because I'm transfeminine, and as I've said before, I always am skeptical of how much mainstream (non-TERF) feminists are really opposed to transphobia. Seeing this constant praise of the 4B movement just makes me really depressed and self-hating again because I'm sure these kinds of South Korean women would want to kill someone like me.
The 4B movement has been whitewashed (literally and figuratively) by western radical/egalitarian liberals and progressives in the media, as it serves the western interests of the continued colonisation of South Korea. A lot of it is based on propaganda based on Eurocentric ideology about the west and western men being more perceptible to social justice and equal rights and opportunities. Let's be clear, the kind of men engaging in sex and marriage tourism in South-East Asia ("passport bros" and the like) do not support social justice.
This kind of thing makes me lose hope in social progressivism, as a socially progressive person.
The solution to sexism is less westernisation and colonisation, not more!
Yeah, as a black transfeminine enby, I can't say I approve of this at all. Do progressives just not care about me at all? The message I get is that they'd be okay with me being treated like shit because they're promoting bioessentialism, alongside racism, that makes me an enemy. If westernization, white supremacy, colonization, and transphobia are going to be standard parts of progressive movements, I want nothing to do with them because I want to be involved with a movement that doesn't reinforce the feeling that I'm subhuman. That's why I started avoiding conservatives and began involving myself with revolutionary socialist ideology a lot more. The last fucking thing I need is to feel like I’m less than human on the basis of my race and gender identity because I’ve done that for too long already. It’s a familiar thought process that I’ve had enough of and I want to fucking change. I don’t seem to be getting a change of pace here at all, though. Wish me luck with not feeling depressed all day over this.
South korea wouldn't be such a fucked up place if there were no poisonous western influence/interference in the first place. There wouldn't be a south korea at all, only 1 unified state ruled by the legitimate government in pyongyang
Holy shit that is genuinely beyond the pale. This whole time I was thinking it was just a tamer Divestor movement based on how fucked up Occupied Korea has been for the past couple decades, but that is so much fuckin worse thank you for the heads up. Also, holy hypocrisy in the "relations with US troops" do they think the troops won't SA them worse? I served; I know what those animals are like. Where do they think a serviceman will be Any different from any other west-poisoned man?
Yeah they leaked a bunch of information about US troops they had sex with, including nude photographs. Now while I don't feel sorry for US troops here, I do not understand the logic, to put it lightly.
Thank you. I already pointed this out on another hexbear post about 4B, but this movement is explicitly extremely transmisogynistic and they are not trying to hide it. If we're trying to be a trans-friendly space this is not something we should be supporting.
Damn very gross, I will, however, be incorporating this into my vocabulary
“Controversy also arose over the phrase "do a Jae-gi" used by some protesters, referring to Sung Jae-gi, a men's rights activist who committed suicide by jumping off a bridge on 26 July 2013”
I learned about them back when I played Girls Frontlines lol. Apparently one of the participants was also an artist and there was some drama over the assets.
The left should not support the transphobic, TERF ideology, gender essentialist, racist self hating 4B movement. That movement "feminism as neocolonialism" personified.
warning: murder, SV, racism
Their forums have celebrated killing innocent men as well as sexually harrassing men, celebrated the sexual assault and rape of boys, and encourages having sexual relations with colonialist US troops, along with perpetuating racist tropes about Korean men. They are also extremely transphobic and homophobic. This movement will not lead to women's liberation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womad_(website)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyehwa_Station_Protest
This is like a Incel Civil-War, Female Incels vs. Male Incels. Wtf South Korea.
Let them fight...
Holy fuck, thank you for pointing this shit out. I see so many feminist accounts on social media celebrate 4B, and I actually get really scared because I'm transfeminine, and as I've said before, I always am skeptical of how much mainstream (non-TERF) feminists are really opposed to transphobia. Seeing this constant praise of the 4B movement just makes me really depressed and self-hating again because I'm sure these kinds of South Korean women would want to kill someone like me.
The 4B movement has been whitewashed (literally and figuratively) by western radical/egalitarian liberals and progressives in the media, as it serves the western interests of the continued colonisation of South Korea. A lot of it is based on propaganda based on Eurocentric ideology about the west and western men being more perceptible to social justice and equal rights and opportunities. Let's be clear, the kind of men engaging in sex and marriage tourism in South-East Asia ("passport bros" and the like) do not support social justice.
This kind of thing makes me lose hope in social progressivism, as a socially progressive person.
The solution to sexism is less westernisation and colonisation, not more!
Yeah, as a black transfeminine enby, I can't say I approve of this at all. Do progressives just not care about me at all? The message I get is that they'd be okay with me being treated like shit because they're promoting bioessentialism, alongside racism, that makes me an enemy. If westernization, white supremacy, colonization, and transphobia are going to be standard parts of progressive movements, I want nothing to do with them because I want to be involved with a movement that doesn't reinforce the feeling that I'm subhuman. That's why I started avoiding conservatives and began involving myself with revolutionary socialist ideology a lot more. The last fucking thing I need is to feel like I’m less than human on the basis of my race and gender identity because I’ve done that for too long already. It’s a familiar thought process that I’ve had enough of and I want to fucking change. I don’t seem to be getting a change of pace here at all, though. Wish me luck with not feeling depressed all day over this.
South korea wouldn't be such a fucked up place if there were no poisonous western influence/interference in the first place. There wouldn't be a south korea at all, only 1 unified state ruled by the legitimate government in pyongyang
Holy shit that is genuinely beyond the pale. This whole time I was thinking it was just a tamer Divestor movement based on how fucked up Occupied Korea has been for the past couple decades, but that is so much fuckin worse thank you for the heads up. Also, holy hypocrisy in the "relations with US troops" do they think the troops won't SA them worse? I served; I know what those animals are like. Where do they think a serviceman will be Any different from any other west-poisoned man?
Yeah they leaked a bunch of information about US troops they had sex with, including nude photographs. Now while I don't feel sorry for US troops here, I do not understand the logic, to put it lightly.
Thank you. I already pointed this out on another hexbear post about 4B, but this movement is explicitly extremely transmisogynistic and they are not trying to hide it. If we're trying to be a trans-friendly space this is not something we should be supporting.
People just see "feminist movement" in a country with a lot of sexism and say "yeah, sounds good" without looking closer.
A good example of how contrarianism is not theory, even if it will sometimes get you close to the right place.
GOOD post
Damn very gross, I will, however, be incorporating this into my vocabulary
“Controversy also arose over the phrase "do a Jae-gi" used by some protesters, referring to Sung Jae-gi, a men's rights activist who committed suicide by jumping off a bridge on 26 July 2013”
I've skimmed this guys wikipedia post and I'm just coming away from it confused and also good god is the whole gender topic in south korea fucked
I learned about them back when I played Girls Frontlines lol. Apparently one of the participants was also an artist and there was some drama over the assets.
Sorry I didn't realise this was transphobic. I will delete this post. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.