The PC market is fucked. With all the insane graphics cards specs and prices, no one is going to optimise anymore. Triple A PC gaming will from now on be seen as a luxury market by the games companies, that consists of people spending high mileage used car prices so their video games look slightly better. The average PC gamer is absolutely screwed from here on out.
What a fuck up.
Oh good, back to the Voodoo3-GeForce1-TnT days where Morrowind required you to have a job at CERN to run it.
Every game is going to be like the original Crysis now, you need top of the line hardware just to run it.
At least there's no different slots on the motherboard for different kinds of graphics cards, yet... Remember AGP? Just waiting for the news that PCIe isn't enough anymore and they need a new slot.
Introducing PCIe x64: The slot is 2 and a half feet long and requires 3 CPUs to have enough PCIe lanes, 4 if you want a hard drive.
Agreed. Just for fun, I took a look at the Steam Hardware survey and market share by Nvidia card generation is:
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GTX 1000: 27.77%
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RTX 2000: 15.26%
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RTX 3000: 33.12%
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RTX 4000: 0.67%
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I always thought it was weird when people said that they played almost exclusively older games, but the older I get the more I start to notice that I either player 10-20 year old games or indie stuff with actual artstyle instead of photo-realism-graphics-card-hogs.
fuck i think i'm old :chomsky-yes-honey:
You play indie games because you like unique gameplay and story
I play indie games because my pc can only run 60 fps on low graphic video games.
We are not the same.
Not missing much anyways, given how bad most of them are. Even without the technical issues, this is probably just a mediocre game.
Expensive graphics cards should make companies more focused on performance right? MMOs have historically had low poly counts because of their need to capture a wide audience of people. Things like this happen because of business people setting deadlines instead of developers. I guess I just don't understand your reasoning.
It really seems like EA is just completely shitting itself here. Of all the "this is just straight up broken for no reason despite looking like shit and there being nothing going on to actually use CPU time" games they're more or less all EA shitheaps loaded with this year's Denuvo. Like Wild Hearts, a game that chugs along with low, unsteady frames despite having fairly low CPU and RAM usage, and single digit GPU usage. It's genuinely kind of baffling what a trainwreck that is. At this point I'm assuming it's just a combination of Denuvo getting progressively worse until it's eating more resources than the game and making the game wait on its constant checks, and EA's dogshit proprietary engine being the new CryEngine in terms of being a broken mess of substandard performance.
Jedi Survivor, like Fallen Order, runs on UE4. And that's the main issue - it's at the end of its life and is being pushed to do things it can't handle.
Nothing to do with Frostbite. Which isn't dogshit.
Maybe if the handheld PCs like Steam Deck catch on more, mid-range and budget PC setups will still manage to survive. That's what I'm hoping for, at least.
meanwhile: me playing my weird 2d simulator games on a potato :sicko-fem:
I spend more time emulating old games on my phone thqn playing new stuff. Mainly because of electricity blackouts. But I do find the older games much better in certain ways
May end up being a great era for indie devs. Also, learn to do piracy everybody
I'm actually surprised the negative review flood is about something other than PURPLE HAIR FEEEMALE BAD so I'm happy. :only-good-gamer:
I thought it was that when I was browsing steam and saw that it had mixed reviews:data-laughing:
Unfortunately this is just the norm these days. And yet AAA studios still want to charge $70 for these games.
I personally just wait a year or so until the major discounts roll around, it's not like there's really any rush to play it ASAP and it's rare that there's a game that's worth it. I pre-ordered Callisto Protocol as one of the few games I've ever pre-ordered and honestly I'd rather just give it back now.
I got red dead 2 at....what was it, 50%? 60% off? There's really no lack of games to amuse myself with before getting around to the newer triple A titles.
Sometimes you don't even need to wait a year. I picked up Midnight Suns on like a 50% discount and it came out in December lmao.
I read even RTX 4090 can't run this shit properly lmao. They didn't let the devs cook.
Pure insanity, people with 4000 dollar PCs were struggling to get a stable frame rate
I mean, as long as they're making money.
I'm just amazed this kind of review system is even allowed in practice. Like, why aren't these systems locked down to prevent this kind of unpaid-for opinionating?
The one before this was pretty fun. Then again, I played it when it was fully patched and at a steep discount. Why bother paying $70 for a broken mess
Yeah, best lightsaber game since Jedi Academy, Maybe since Jedi Outcast.
woah that's high praise
capture the flag in jedi academy was the shit in the aughts
As I understand what I've seen of the gameplay, it looks closer to dark souls with lightsabers and force powers than Jedi Academy/Outcast. Expect to be dodging a lot.
Much simpler than a Dark Souls. It was a button masher with a dodge in my experience. I didn't like it much though, so maybe other people had a better/deeper experience.
Did you play on the hardest difficulty? It's like dark souls on jedi grandmaster
It might be hard, but there's no way it's like Dark Souls. Nothing in Jedi Fallen Order had any weight. The appeal of Dark Souls to me isn't simply "it's hard". I just don't think it's for me.
The game itself is fantastic, I’ve been playing on PS5. Once it’s fixed and on sale (or just torrent it) I highly recommend
It took one year to crack Red Dead Redemption 2 for PC :doomjak:
there's pretty much only one person who cracks denuvo and she's an unhinged transphobe
I'm surprised they still allow EA to make Star Wars games.
Its frustrating thinking my older budget card is now going to be obsolete due to these weird vram requirements, but also at I didn't like the first Jedi game so whatever
I've not even considered getting a new graphics card since I got my 1070 6 years ago (it is more expensive now than when I got it). Managed to run Elden Ring at least.
When just the graphics card that will be able to run games at medium setting costs more than an entire console PC gaming is pretty dead. Other than for my excel spreadsheet and indie games, but it isn't like I play a lot of AAA games anyway.
I look at PCs as having a larger upfront cost but it's much easier to play pirated games so you probably save money in the long run.
I don’t know if that’s such a sure thing. You could buy a new PS5 and 20 full-price new games for about the same as one high end PC graphics card.
I mean you dont need a 4090. A 2080 is probably going to play 99% of games just fine on 1080p. It really only becomes a race to the top if you need a wide screen/4k screen and want to play modern AAA games. (Which yeah if you want to do you will need something very beefy). With that said if you are fine with indies and games below the cutting edge AAA level you absolutely can get a cheaper rig and pirate hundreds of games.
Thats all before we talk about one of biggest appeals of pc games for me personally and thats Modding.
Modding is a huge factor for some games, my cousin was telling me recently he was replaying Skyrim on PS4 and that "they have all the mods now" lol no they don't.
Yeah there are some mods that are massive expansions of the game or even full conversions. Depending on the game you can double or triple your time in a game if it has a good modding community/support. A good set of mods can greatly improve the game experience. Not even talking about visual stuff if thats something you are into.
Like since we are talking Skyrim there is for example Enderal: Forgotten Stories which is basically a full new game which is based on Skyrim.
Yeah I pretty much won't touch Skyrim without the Requiem overhaul, and SKSE will never be allowed on consoles that a huge number of mods rely on.
I've always bought mid range components and they seem to hold up fine for the 5-10 years I use them, but I rarely play anything graphically intensive anyways.
Huh? Idk if prices have gone back up but last I checked you can get an AMD 6700xt for like less than 400 dollars, which will easily run most games at 1440p. If you're playing at 1080p then a 6600 is gonna work just fine and those are like 200 bucks
Yeah I deliberately picked the most expensive card Nvidia sells at the moment to make the point.
I'm happy that Armored Core 6 has minimum system requirements that look really similar to Elden Ring. Pretty sure I'll be able to play it at this point.
my aftermarket 1060 is starting to show it's age, can still do pretty intensive games though, mostly because it's overclocked to fuck
it is also more expensive now than when i bought it lmao
I’ve been playing the PS5 version and it’s fantastic. I really hope they fix the performance issues because the actual game rules, it makes the first one look like a proof of concept.
Using a fascist credit card (Visa Platinum Rewards) to summon former child soldier space wizards with a bourgeois game console is "bad vibes"
I am essentially 10 years behind on computer games and it’s been really nice. The twenty teens is full of great games, and I absolutely know if a game is worth it before I get it for $8.
I tend to buy games a few years late, or more. And I'm fine with that because they're cheap and my hardware can run them fine. :gigachad:
Totally with you. For me graphics aren't important. I play a lot of retro shit. I don't really do multi-player anymore. So it's nice to get a cheap game with solid reviews for 1/10 the price. Lots of the older games that didn't have photo realistic graphics had great sound design to make up for it.
So many times the super bazinga graphics are used to portray rusty fences and other tiresome bullshit, too.
Top games you've played from this era so far? Any you'd particularly recommend?
I am a pretty casual gamer and don’t do multiplayer because I get crushed. But these are the games i have on steam and its costed less than 100$ for it all.
- Portal 2
- Shadow Tactics: Blades Of The Shogun
- I love historical Total War games and Parodox games (most of my game time is spent here)
- Company of Heroes 2 (Red Army campaigns!)
- Fallout New Vegas
- Baldurs Gate - enhanced edition
- Dragon Age : Origins
- Bioshock
- The Orange Box
- Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2
- Halo : Combat Evolved
Dragon Age : Origins
my perfect example of how it is possible to streamline a traditional crpg and still have it be an excellent game
I'm in a kind of limbo where Portal 2 and everything after that is a new game to me. I've opted out of playing in favor of making my own fantasy worlds, so I'm easily impressed. I've seen some of the game streamed on Twitch and thought it was artistically an incredibly well done game. The freedom of movement looked amazing, the variety of movement looked amazing, and the customization of the jedi fantasy looked amazing. I have no doubt my specs would fall short from what I'm hearing in this thread and that's a curse of knowledge. I don't feel like the graphics need to be so amazing for an immersive experience. World of Warcraft didn't need an intensity of graphics to get people to ruin their real lives in their world. I feel for the devs and artists who had to work on this because I see what they did. They made this blended visual experience where the path is simultaneously linear, clear, and explanatory while the backdrop is a world that is ostensibly not laid out for you. There's one part where you're in a factory and you're jumping everywhere, climbing chain link, and grappling on cables. Between the map and pattern recognition like scratches on the wall for wall running the streamer was never lost, but the background was full of sparking metal and half put-together parts for the goings-on of a factory. That sort of thing doesn't fly on a Nintendo 64; you either get a clear path or you get an abstract room. You need some computing power for all the polygons needed to make that effect. I imagine there's some middle ground stylization that would make it graphically intense without being unrealistic, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the project got crunched out of the possibility of just making it run better by virtue of cutting corners and rushing deadlines.
the more i hear about the modern gaming industry the more i feel vindicated for basically exclusively playing classic doom / making classic doom levels when i want to do video games to relax
that's actually karma for doing star wars instead of a new titanfall you fucking assholes :angery:
