No, I still won’t watch streams, this guy is a great poster though
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Hot take: If we think housing, healthcare and a guaranteed dignified standard of living are human rights then they also apply to veterans of imperialism. Maybe he belongs in a reeducation community or even in a pit but nobody belongs on the streets.
Other hot take: Schadenfreude towards low-level grunts is a less efficient tool of organising and education than using stories like these as cautionary examples of how the bourgeois state is conning impressionable youths and shouldn't be trusted.
As someone from a global south country that these yankee fucks have destroyed, their homelessness, high suicide rates, and PTSD is literally the only small amount of Justice we have. If a revolution ever does come to the imperial core, youre free to send all your vets and generals here to properly face justice for their countless crimes.
Absolutely. They should be held accountable for what they did. We'll probably send you our generals and presidents and pundits first though if that's okay?
if i had a plane and i could trick kissinger into getting on it
:sicko-wistful:
I appreciate the optimism, but if a little third world maoist posting is too far I don't think we have it in us to win a protracted people's war. Unlimited genocide to the west and all that, you know.
their homelessness, high suicide rates, and PTSD is literally the only small amount of Justice we have
yes because their homelessness, high suicide rates, and PTSD in the first world will magically undo and mitigate all of the damage the elites have done in the third world by unfucking the environment, unfucking the economy, and undoing all the intergenerational trauma. Justice is done by the people, either of their country or the country they fucked (because at least it helps undo the last fuckening, maybe the first if you craft their drops into bonemeal), not by the same inhuman system that sent them to go kill and die 9000 km away. That is not justice.
There is basically zero chance any current American troops will ever face justice, so in the absence of that I prefer vengeance over nothing.
Muh "there is no alternative"
this is literally worse than "nothing" because its celebrating the very genocidal system that sent the fuckhead to murder babies cannibalizing him as a side effect to keep the wheels running 0.0001x more efficiently to continue the extraction. And all the while the real powers that be who are fundamentally responsible for all of this just get richer and richer from blood money. Vengeance on the other hand would be getting mauled to death by wildlife, self-deletion in a hunting accident, or getting pwned by a fellow corpsman like how chris kyle went to hell. Something that uniquely effects these meathead toilet scumfucks because of their violent murder cult and never the common man.
Other hot take: Schadenfreude towards low-level grunts is a less efficient tool of organising and education than using stories like these as cautionary examples of how the bourgeois state is conning impressionable youths and shouldn’t be trusted.
This is just the Clean Wehrmacht myth with a thin layer of red white and blue paint on it. Even worse because all Iraq War veterans were volunteers and none were conscripted against their will like the people who fought in the actual Wehrmacht.
If nobody here is going to give the soldiers of 12th SS Division Hitler Youth any sympathy, why does this guy deserve any?
Hotter take. He can fight unarmed kids but he can't fight capitalism. Git gud
Disclaimer: I dont think unrepetant military hogs are worth saving.
Yeah I personally cant hang around here when military comes up. My close friend was in Afghanistan and literally never saw a thing, they just walked around and stayed at forts. He now is a single father with two kids with autism. He's also throughly and unmovably a socialist. We grew up poor, his father was murdered due to gang activity and his mom was selling drugs up until very recently, she's very mentally unstable.
But he should be on the street because some lefty who grew up in the whitest, most safest, lacrosse-team havingest area read a book once.
I get such a major disconnect because it seems like some people don't understand what growing up in some places is like. Selling drugs is not a better alternative to joining the military, being in gangs and that life is scary but also fucking pathetic and miserable. You're a detriment to your family and only incur more trauma to everyone you know.
Like think about it too, somehow we can propagandize a good portion of the nation to believe in capitalist class dynamics, the duopoly and a lot of the other idiotic hog shit but tricking people to fight bad guy is something you have to somehow be above. But I mean why not? I, rich white kid with options knew better, why can't the rest of society?
For a bunch of people who try to explain things materially the veteran criticism always stinks of the inability to put oneself in anothers shoes.
I get such a major disconnect because it seems like some people don’t understand what growing up in some places is like. Selling drugs is not a better alternative to joining the military, being in gangs and that life is scary but also fucking pathetic and miserable. You’re a detriment to your family and only incur more trauma to everyone you know.
I grew up poor too and just cause you're poor doesn't mean you're not a wannabe cop.
Not everyone is going to come the same conclusions as you, ive also met a lot of people who say theyre poor but grew up in a rich area so they still got the benefits of a good public school and a healthy community, none of this is black and white
I dont get how you can grow up with other poor people, know them and judge their decisions all the while being knowledgable of capitalist critique. It makes me suspicious.
But you certainly made it so. Selling drugs, being in a gang, etc. I certainly knew some time drug dealers. Props to them for not murdering people...and like on that logic, if that's your logic, killing people for the state or killing people for yourself. And realistically, the way they sell it, killing people for the state is killing people for yourself. I don't see how one is superior to the other except that not everyone dealing drugs is trying to kill someone but everyone signing up for the military is trying to help kill people.
I dont get how you can grow up with other poor people, know them and judge their decisions all the while being knowledgable of capitalist critique. It makes me suspicious.
Your suspicion makes me entirely skeptical. Poor people signing up to kill poor people should bring major shame. And while certainly there should be forgiveness since being a Marxist is undoubtedly a death wish, if you genuinely wish to bring about the revolution. I don't think you get there being all woe is me about what the choice that is made by fellow poor people. It was ultimately a choice to enlist.
The military doesnt sell it as killing people. Its defending your country and vague romanticized notions. This is the disconnect I get, can you really not take off the lefty lens for just a second? Most people don't have that kind of analysis even as adults.
I smell bs please stop talking to me
People are really constantly going, "I'm built different, I would simply never get caught up in a big lie, because I'm a good person. Anyone who does anything bad does it because they're inferior ethical beings, an intrinsic and inextricable quality."
Love to simply helplessly get "caught up" in a "big lie" that coincidentally also promises economic benefits to me if I follow along with it without challenging it.
There's no connection between my apparent lack of agency and insight and the fact that it personally benefits me.
(This is not to suggest that propaganda or indoctrination plays 0 part in this, but that theres a direct incentive to buy into this, and that both the big lie itself and the concept of the big lie provides an excuse and license to do so.)
Simply get a second job and you wont be poor, you have agency. Learn to code.
They literally did that though. At least the buddy joined the military and not a gang. What's a gang supposed to be doing again?
Im actually built different from all other poor people, theres no path, set of circumstances or situation possible for me where I joined the military. Also being poor is actually a choice, if you stay poor it's 100% your fault
I don't think you like my reply because it implies that there were poor people out there who made the opposite choice and did not need leftism to make that decision. You used poverty as a shield and now you use leftism as a shield to discredit my background and choices. And the way you told the story, it makes sense. You frames it as a being better morally than some other acts.
Noticing a distinct lack of non-american shoes present in this comment.
Just because its not present doesnt mean I dont have thoughts about it as well. How could I possibly make such a comment and also not have sympathetic views towards the people affected by US imperialism?
It's still a choice to leave them unmentioned except for referencing their status as official "bad guys" and describing military deployment there like guarding pillow forts and taking a dog on walks.
Sympathy isn't a on/off switch, plus "sympathetic views" is very vague, I'm pretty sure only outright genocidal fash would lack any sympathy for victims of US imperialism.
🙄 Not at all what I was saying, jesus christ. This is over. The disclaimer should set the context for everything I wrote below it.
But he should be on the street because some lefty who grew up in the whitest, most safest, lacrosse-team havingest area read a book once.
The most virulently "fuck the troops" people in this community are non-USians and you know this. This is demonstrated in this very post with OP who's not from the US.
I get such a major disconnect because it seems like some people don’t understand what growing up in some places is like. Selling drugs is not a better alternative to joining the military, being in gangs and that life is scary but also fucking pathetic and miserable. You’re a detriment to your family and only incur more trauma to everyone you know.
I've rubbed shoulders with vets before, and when you did deep into why they've enlisted, it's never just "I joined the military because I'm dirt poor." If you dig deep enough, there's always "I want a sense of adventure," "I want to prove myself as a man," "I found school too boring and wanted something more exciting," and other bullshit. I also knew people who enlisted to get US citizenship, which I think is at least more sympathetic than just repeatedly harping about people joining for purely economic reasons.
Like think about it too, somehow we can propagandize a good portion of the nation to believe in capitalist class dynamics, the duopoly and a lot of the other idiotic hog shit but tricking people to fight bad guy is something you have to somehow be above. But I mean why not? I, rich white kid with options knew better, why can’t the rest of society?
One thing people seem to always ignore is that you have a choice of what branch you want to enlist in. Even if we buy them being completely brainwashed and don't understand the military's direct role in furthering US imperialism, then my question is "why did you enlist in the Marines or the Air Force instead of the Navy or the Coast Guard?" Even by the standards of being brainwashed by US propaganda, surely they would understand that you shoot people in the Army and Marines and bomb people in the Air Force. Meanwhile, you're just stuck on a boat in the Navy and don't even leave the country in the Coast Guard (not true, but we're going off by US propaganda). It's common US pop culture knowledge that the Marines are the toughest branch, so someone's who doing the bare minimum in order to get their GI Bill wouldn't even think of enlisting in the Marines. People join the Marines because they want to "be a man" and "fuck shit up" (ie commit war crimes). Otherwise, they would simply join the Navy or the Coast Guard or the Army or even the Air Force.
People specifically join the military to spread neoliberal imperialism across the world and die in wars made by corporate overlords. They join completely knowing that thats what they want. They all join to murder babies.
There's still plenty of reasons why you would choose the Marines over other branches. Maybe the Marines offered you a job that the Air Force couldnt, maybe the recruiter was available and you needed to leave now, wanting to be challenged isnt a bad thing but again if you're framing everything as protecc fridum youre not really thinking about murdering innocent people. You could even be joining to be COD larp because youre a fucking idiot but contract and realize what that really means. The whole thing with Pat Tillman was basically that.
I feel like your post cant detach the lefty lense, people dont think like you and are not weighing and considering the same things as you. Like even OP, if they were born in the US in the shoes of someone else they'd make similar if not the same decisions.
I mean if thats not the case than being poor is a choice right?
I mean, I think we need to make a difference between cons here.
This young man seems to take most issue with the reimbursement for his service, he doesnt get dental, he still needs a second job, VA arent helping. But an unpaid hitman wasnt conned into killing someone, they were just conned into doing it for free.
And if they were instead tricked into doing it for some reason of idealism and the way the war was presented to them, you gotta consider when the bubble burst. If it burst while still deployed, did they stick their head in the sand for the sake of avoiding repercussions or securing their own future? That doesnt seem very valuable to a revolution, for example.
Edit: This essay is mainly about the idea of "brainwashing" or other state influence upon the civilian population, but I think a lot can apply to being "brainwashed" or otherwise influenced into military service, particularly the parts about the implicit understanding of personal gain that drives acceptance of propaganda.
"tricked" thats some white infantilization if ive ever seen it.
Both "tricked" and "conned" definitely should be read with the same quotation marks as "brainwashed" there(and I should have written them with those to begin with) cause all three basically have the same meaning.
Hot take: If we think housing, healthcare and a guaranteed dignified standard of living are human rights then they also apply to veterans of imperialism.
For me that first of all depends on their stance towards the revolution. If you actualy join the correct side and fight alongside us, and I mean real fight not just social posturing like e.g German Nazis that survived the war and then spent their life going on apology tours or something.
Then yeah, we need all the help we can get and if they're willing to put a bullet on a billionaire/capitalist head I will give them a second chance. We need actual people that are willing and capable of fighting whether we like this reality or not.
But as I said my standard is anything less than literally to join the revolutionary army like today and its not worth bothering with them.
he’s still mostly just a piece of shit because of how terminally online he is
I feel seen
BE persona was once decent around last year but then the time he spent on shitter morphed him into a petty, self-hating, spiteful brand.
inb4 terminally online; he deletes youtube comments when he gets pwned or humiliates himself trying to win a doomed argument. There was one time he started frothing over what good humor means and started calling his opponent racist out of nowhere, kind of based in isolation but he's the type who will immediately latch on at any opportunity to humiliate another person (acceptable and good so far because the person is often a reactionary).
bleak day for the "online left" when the only form of "justice" that is available to the genocidal pawns in the first world is seeing a few of them get tossed in the same meat grinder that sent them to slaughter the third world, literally sitting in the corner and jacking off like a cuck
By following BE I can vicariously experience posting with righteous fury, without having to get mobbed by angry reactionaries trying to dig up shit about me.
Very nice.
It's so hilarious when he goes off on this topic. Libs in the replies just cannot process this concept and it's great to watch.
This was a banger from when he went off last month:
Critical support to someone who talks to a camera for a living
Debating making a Twitter just so I can watch the seething in real time
Don't do it comrade the number of social media accounts you have should ideally be going down.
Doesn't seem like it would be "under the guise" but more accurately "in exchange for being fairly compensated."
If the dupe is you didn't get paid, you only got duped into doing it for free.
It shouldn't be dangled over anyone, but there's still a clear transaction at the heart of joining the military, someone is going to bleed for those benefits that are paid to the soldier.
He hits the perfect balance. He posts like a demon and video essays like an angel. He has the power of a 90s anime protagonist in one tiny Australian body
Ok maybe the english-speaking left isn't totally hopeless when it comes to online posting
I haven't rewatched his Shining Path video recently but he goes hard and I like him. Best Australian poster of all time.
Actually I'm pretty sure I didn't watch it because it annoyed me. But anyway, I like BE.
Every aspect of production under capitalist relations directly or indirectly supports imperialism and I wish people would just shut the fuck up about it instead of posting demonic shit like this like we should cheer this dude's son starving because, idk, he's a yakubian snow demon or whatever other great hexbearian takes
You didn't fall for a lifetime of propaganda selling you the idea of military "service" to get out of poverty. That's great. Other people will fall for it. Take a fucking step back and realize if any number of things were different in your life or upbringing that might not have been the case for you.
People aren't born with inherent attributes and morality. It's fucking proto fascist reaction to think that they are.
Maybe this dude did shit and so totally unrepentantly that he deserves the pit. Maybe he didn't. Whatever the case, there but for the grace of god goes you, motherfucker
