https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van
The former Director of the State Food and Drug Administration of the People's Republic of China Zheng Xiaoyu was executed in an execution van on July 10, 2007.
Sources a NYT article. Any guesses as to what the article actually says?
His father has no sympathy for Zheng Xiaoyu, the State Food and Drug Administration's former chief, executed on Tuesday.
Nothing about a van or any method of execution. Anything is true when you just lie about it I guess.
If you were to give NATOpedians the benefit of the doubt (big "if"), it's possible that the NYT originally did publish an unsubstantiated claim about the method of execution and later retracted it without apology or notice. It's part of the Westoid media's MO at this point, just look at the recent Hamas r*pe allegations.
Maybe but the page revision shows this reference was added in 2024, the person editing this had access to the current version. All of the links there are shit even the old ones are not any better like this its a story by some caricature named cracker who seems to have built an entire career of being the "Chinese correspondent", citing "No First Name" Zhang telling an outline of why China might need this. No facts or anything and the only other source is surprise surprise a literal San Francisco based NGO "working to free political prisoners" lol.
This is the standard of wikipedia.
Can you imagine the bastards at the American FDA getting executed?
The source: a guy who looks like Adrian Zenz but wearing a mustache and Groucho Marx glasses who goes by "Schmadrian Schmenz."
Any editors here who wanna nominate this shit for deletion?
This article stays up and they delete Big Floppa's article
(only on the English NATOpedia, ofc)In the spirit of not being one-sided and not jumping to conclusions I tried to look into the few sources Wikipedia (English and German) cites and this "mobile execution van" concept in general
Most of the western articles about this either had no source for their claims
or cited some official somewhere in China or some employee in a car company under a partial name or pseudonym. Also not a lot of concrete claims someone could check out in many of these articles, more like storytelling weirdlyBut I really don't know anything about the death penalty in China and I don't speak Chinese
so I'm stuck with reading these shitty western sourcesWe have to remember that China being so inmense makes it very likely to find weird stuff like this happening, it is very hard not to find a single example of literally anything.
China should learn to do the death penalty in the civilized way: a botched lethat injection that leaves the injectee writhing in agony for hours before finally passing away.
I’m against the death penalty but if you’re gonna do it then stop being squeamish about it and use a bullet to the head or a guillotine. Fast, definite, painless, and honest about what it is.
Edit: replied to the wrong person
Really no problem with that? I mean deathpenalty instantly makes you a shit state anyway, but potentially having mobile units that can respond quickly to deathpenalty "worthy" crime?
I don't see what could go wrong. /s
I think that Benito Mussolini had it coming and fully deserved a death penalty
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"whataboutism' is a worthless concept only used by idiots trying to find a shortcut away from interrogating an actual argument
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you don't seem to have a coherent idea of what it means in the first place
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you don't seem to have understood the point being made in that comment
None of these facts are changed by an automated bot making fun of you (and the joke landing)
No whataboutism is a terrible defense tactic mainly used by populists.
I am not even gonna answer to the rest of your points.
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What the fuck is whataboutism about that post. They just meant that some people deserve to die because of the atrocities they commited. Do you honestly believe that a serial child molester can be reformed? Would subjecting them to a lifelong stay at a labor camp be better?
If you believe that reforming criminals is possible, you'd also need to believe that there's something unique about every criminal part a certain line of severity that makes them somehow physically unredeemable, and I at least have never seen convincing evidence of that.
Maybe articulate what the actual problem you have is instead of using a weight bearing /s
What's the difference once you cross the line into using the death penalty whether you use an office or an ambulance? The vibes?
There are many problems with the death penalty (in any shape or form) and in my opinion it is very likely a mobile execution center would exacerbate the problems. More technical mistakes, more false executions and of course more potential for abuse, especially from a party that does not have a great human rights track record.
I answered this in a different comment.
edit: because I suck at editing
and in my opinion it is very likely a mobile execution center would exacerbate the problems
Well your opinion is based on nothing but vibes. You have no 'why'. It's worthless.
more false executions and of course more potential for abuse
Based on what?
especially from a party that does not have a great human rights track record
Said the westerner with absolutely zero irony lmao
That is to say: yes they do. Compared to anybody you'd classify as 'the good guys' based on your racist propaganda filled brain, they're fucking saints.
Well your opinion is based on nothing but vibes. You have no ‘why’. It’s worthless.
I mean I can look up sources and historical references if you promise me to look at them. But I have a strange "vibe" you won't and I don't feel like wasting halve a day just to then be called
the westerner with absolutely zero irony lmao
which is btw whataboutism again "But what about all the bad stuff the western countries did and are doing", yes that is also bad but not the point here. If you cannot understand that two things can be true at the same time there is no real point in continuing this conversation.
Compared to anybody you’d classify as ‘the good guys’
again just more whataboutism
they’re fucking saints.
lmao
Even if the by-all-indications-fictional vans were real, the claim is that they're replacing dedicated static facilities with a smaller number of mobile ones that would just go and set up at a prison as-needed to carry out sentences.
Except the entire thing falls apart with even the slightest scrutiny. Just look at all the things being claimed: that Bad Country is supposedly frivolous and trigger happy and doesn't value life (unlike the noble and civilized US, where police up and murder over a thousand people a year, there's a rabid push for more death sentences, there's a bipartisan consensus eagerly baying for more genocide and ethnic cleansing and both parties breathlessly accuse each other of not being bloodthirsty enough, and mass death and suffering is just casually accepted as necessary for the holy line to go up), but that they then wouldn't also make sure to have dedicated, reliable facilities on hand for it and instead would rely on a sketchy ambulance with a chair and a poison syringe cabinet; the implication that it would be a rushed fast-response extrajudicial thing is also at odds with the idea of having a mobile facility that's performing what's supposed to be a "humane" execution method - if they're so bloodthirsty and barbarous ("because of their brainpans, you see...") why bother with something that's both absurdly convoluted but also really shoddy and sketchy instead of just up and shooting someone?
It's nonsense: there's no reasoning behind it nor material motivations and the whole idea is contradictory and absurd.
I didn't really get that out of it at all, but I developed a skill to see past a lot of the garbage. It was fear-mongering and overall just a scary way of saying China has reduced the use of death penalty, there are better mechanisms in place to prevent unlawful/unnecessary use of death penalty, and a drive to replace gunshot execution with lethal injection. The "victims" included are simply multi-million dollar fraud (essentially) and an abused kid that went on to (cw: violence) rape and kill.
You are right, in that there seems to be no widespread use of this van in the event that it is seriously used.
There is a lot to unpack there.
- My comment is not about if they are real or not, tbh I don't give a fuck this will not be the reason why I think the CCP sucks ass.
- Who the fuck is talking about the US? Did you not read the part where I said every country with the death penalty sucks? This is just plain whataboutism.
- There are many problems with the death penalty (in any shape or form) and in my opinion it is very likely a mobile execution center would exacerbate the problems. More technical mistakes, more false executions and of course more potential for abuse, especially from a party that does not have a great human rights track record.
- Why bother? For example because it would be stealthier than an execution squad. Or for the same reasons the Nazis invented the Gas chamber: Because it's more humane. Of course not towards the victims but towards the people doing the killing. It's easier to cope this way.
I might actually agree with your last point, it does not really make sense. But on the other hand, does it need to make sense to be true? I don't think so.
But also like I said before: I don't care and neither answer will change my mind about the CCP.
For example because it would be stealthier than an execution squad
lmao absolute racist mush brain
Why would they have to be sneaky about executions if they're handing down death sentences in public courts? Do you even think about the shit you say for a fucking instant, or do you just see a different skin color than yours and start coming up with ways to describe them as sinister?
"execution squad" holy fucking shit
Just pure racism. I've read everything you've had to say about this subject and it's absolutely vapid. Racism is the source. Like I said in the first place, your opinion is 100% vibes based.
Your assumption here is that China has a properly working fair justice system, which a lot of signs point against. If you would have read the context of the comment you would know that the idea of "execution squad" actually came from the previous comment
instead of just up and shooting someone?
This has nothing to do with racism.
No, dumbshit. The 'assumption' that you project onto me has nothing to do with whether China would need SECRET AND STEALTHY execution methods for PUBLIC TRIALS. Your racism is on display in how you need to make everything sinister because other.
So don't fucking lecture me about not understanding context or intent, you fucking illiterate.
China has a properly working fair justice system, which a lot of signs point against
And your racism is on further display here as you dishonestly hold an outside other to a much, much higher standard than you hold your own government which is 100x more deserving of this criticism. That's what you've been crying 'whataboutism' for this entire time. People pointing out that you're an unthinking racist. Speaking of reading comprehension being too great a task for your anglo brain pan.
I am not even going to answer to the first part because you are just making yourself look ridiculous.
However I am going to say that your second part makes you even look even more ridiculous. You just cannot grasp the concept of other people being able to do two things at the same time.
I am indeed capable of criticizing a foreign government AND my government at the same time.
However in this context one has nothing to do with the other.
So I am going to say the line again and again until maybe you start to understand it.
Whataboutism
Just because my government (which btw you have no idea where I am from) is shit does not in any shape or form excuse any shit behavior of ANY other government.
My initial take was never about the Chinese government and simply pointed out what a shit idea a mobile execution unit would be.
I am indeed capable of criticizing a foreign government AND my government at the same time.
No you aren't. You have to have knowledge of the topic in order to criticize something and we're here talking about how you're reacting to a hypothetical. This is as much a thought terminating cliche as whataboutism.
It appears that your brain just shut down when the criticism was articulated and focused at you. You brushed it off completely with a catty 'ridiculous' and went on like it never happened, changing the subject to denying you ever did anything to draw criticism at all.
You just traffic in very reddit brained stupid behavior.
Who the fuck is talking about the US?
Don't play fucking dumb. All this media hyper-fixation and constant public discourse on the "apparent" evil of the "Cee Cee Pee Pee" is because China has geared up to be the US's main geopolitical and economic adversary in what is looking to be a period of increased global instability. So any time anyone brings up anything about how bad China is it comes with the clear implication of: "And this is why the morally upright Liberal Democracy of the US needs to remain a global hegemony!"
So pointing out that even if this crap about China is true the US doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on in terms of morality is completely valid, because why is any American concerning themselves with the splinter in the eye of a country they have no goddamn influence over when their own nation has a fucking redwood tree jutting out of their eye socket.
What are you talking about? No one here was defending the US.
If you can not grasp the concept of two thing being true at the same time I think we should end the discussion here.
Two things can be true at once, but so far nobody has been able to cite any evidence besides "vibes" that the execution van thing is true. So why are you so concerned with this thing maybe happening in another country and not all the shit defiantly happening in your own?
My comment is not about if they are real or not, tbh I don’t give a fuck this will not be the reason why I think the CCP sucks ass.
I am not. As I explained here. This whole thread is just about why this would be a terrible idea (anywhere btw) and how people in this thread don't see the problems associated with a mobile execution unit.
Then go talk about the other reasons why the CCP "sucks ass" rather than be a debate pervert about this bullshit
This whole thread is just about why this would be a terrible idea (anywhere btw) and how people in this thread don’t see the problems associated with a mobile execution unit.
Already explained here.
The way I see it you are the debate pervert. I never wanted to talk about Chinese politics in the first place but you keep bringing it up.
I never wanted to talk about Chinese politics in the first place
Weird of you to show up here then
Lots of places are public, doesn't mean people can't object when you show up and show your pasty ass.
i don't care whether it's real or not, and I'm going to argue why it's awful and horrible on the assumption it's real..
great argument
If you look at the pic in OP and do not have terminal libness stage you would quickly notice it's all hoax and atrocity propaganda.
but potentially having mobile units that can respond quickly to deathpenalty "worthy" crime?
You mean like a SWAT team? WTF are you talking about?
I mean, they do execute bankers. So it seems pretty good so far
lmao this might be the most valid comment under mine But I am still against the death penalty under all circumstances ;)
What’s even cooler and good-er is when the sources are completely wrong, or from a book by a Nazi.
Probe to the dark side of the moon: "China copied this."
Nazi-era execution van: "China developed this."
what about those vans that were snatching people up off the streets during the BLM protesting?
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For reference:
Most of the sources seem only to 'verify' that china executes people. Which is probably how this article has been up for so long if I had to guess, since the average person looks at the handful of sources and goes 'ah, this is true then' without realizing that the only actual linked sources are for things like "China executes 2,400 people a year" lol. (Source #2: https://www.scmp.com/infographics/article/1631703/infographic-capital-punishment)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-46872651.amp (This is Source #6 in the article) has no mention of execution vans.
Whole article seems to stem from this 2012 Washington Post article with the image caption being 'Chinese police lead a condemned man into a special execution van to be put to death. (AFP/Getty Images)'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/11/05/yes-china-still-harvests-organs-from-executed-prisoners/
Now is this an 'execution' van? A prisoner transport van? Who can really say. But
Shit wikipedia article and I bet it would be a headache to actually get deleted but it does seem like there has been one user (Causa sui) who has consistently kept an eye on the page and removed edits that have been egregiously unsourced, so I bet they would probably be in support of nuking the page.
Well, I tried to remove as much bs as possible and make things more neutral without raising any red flags for the editors of Wikipedia. Hopefully, that’s a bit better and they don’t revert it.
I just saw your changes. Nice. I'm not asking you to do to anything more, but as it stands, it still seems unnecessary for a whole article to exist. It could very nicely fit as a single sentence here. Deletion would be ideal, but that is expecting a lot from Wikipedia admins.
I agree. I really don’t see where an execution takes place changes the fact capital punishment is legal. It’s not like there’s an article over execution facilities in the US or Russia.
However, deleting is a long bureaucratic process where you have to argue with a bunch of no-life randos. Many editors consider it bad form to delete and reword large parts of an article then nominate it for deletion. This is viewed as intentional sabotage and bad faith, even if all you do is delete the unreliable sources. This article touches on this crap.
About as real as The Punishers Battle Van but also much cooler
Who's this "[citation needed]" guy and why does he hate China so much?!?!?!?!?!
I read about this when I was like 14 lol. I remember going “wow china is so evil” then a few months ago I find out a US prison had mass graves in fhe backyard.
whataboutism 
