Post the links in the comments so folks can explore them and give their own input!
People liked the idea of starting with some hobby instances and asked for some more possibilities. Briefly checked a bunch out to take some notes, and if any are of interest please check them out and reply with further observations so this can be edited and improved.
- pathfinder.social - mostly Pathfinder/Starfinder but also general tabletop, GMing, worldbuilding, looking for group and stuff
- mander.xyz - dedicated to nature and science [houseplants, mycology, reptiles, plant identification, astronomy, archaeology, biology, geoscience, geography, anthropology, physics, isopods, chemistry, underwater photography, & more] (has a really nice custom UI theme so federating would allow viewing hexbear with it)
- thegarden.land (alt) - gardening
- programming.dev - programming and development
- lemmy.studio - for musicians and music lovers
- waveform.social - digital music, reaper, flstudio, ableton, synths
- lemmy.film - for filmmakers, movie buffs, artists, creators
- lemmy.radio - for amateur radio enthusiasts to use
- fanaticus.social - community of sports fans to talk about sports
- sub.wetshaving.social - for discussions, reviews, and general sharing of thoughts about wet shaving
- pawb.social - sfw furry instance
- lemmy.sdf.org - SDF Public Access UNIX System, retro computing
- compuverse.uk - technology [computing, retro, self-hosting, game deals, tech support, programming, speedrunning, blu-ray, etc]
- social.fossware.space - for FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) Enthusiasts
- infosec.pub - information security
- terefere.eu - visual art, design, photography, architecture, artefacts, history
- lemmy.srv.eco - self-sufficiency, mutual aid, collapse, environment
- r-sauna.fi - all things sauna, in English but there's Finnish culture
- preserve.games - sponsored by hitsave.org [Hit Save! is a registered 501©(3) non-profit dedicated to the preservation of video games, their history, and related physical and digital materials]
- dataterm.digital - all things cyberpunk, novels, games, ttrpgs, techno, VR, inline skating
- slrpnk.net - solarpunk, green energy, no lawns, composting, farming, climate, DIY, anarchism, vegan, birdwatching
- lemmyfly.org - aviation related communities
- lemmyrs.org - everything Rust language
- poptalk.scrubbles.tech - popheads, Swifties, Britney
- aiparadise.moe - ai art, ai writing
- mtgzone.com - Magic: the Gathering (MtG)
- pathofexile-discuss.com - Path of Exile (PoE)
- dormi.zone - Warframe
- startrek.website - everything star trek
- possumpat.io - instance hosting communities for some niche interests and hobbies [possums, ff14, gundam]
pathfinder.social - mostly Pathfinder/Starfinder but also general tabletop, GMing, worldbuilding, looking for group and stuff
def agree with this one. its the only unionized ttrpg and is generally a pretty friendly environment. idk if that instance is insane or anything but the pf2e subreddit itself isnt very sus
Yeah, baby. I'm on slrpnk.net. it's a pretty chill federation.
Yeah, seemed chill. Has a really nice theme. They've blocked this instance before federation has even been enabled, though. If you're interested in connecting and in the slrpnk community maybe you can advocate.
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Pathfinder.social has some general ttrpg comms as well and could enhance ttrpg@hexbear.net, worldbuilding@hexbear.net.
I like this! I hadn't thought about federation with hobby coms to build put our less used comms but honestly I like it better than federation on a political basis. It still helps us hook in as a point in the matrix but without attracting wreckers.
Oh lord I would love to federate with some hobby comms. I love this site for the politics and shitposts, but I think we're a bit lacking in activity for things like boardgames, 3D printing, etc. and federation would probably improve that.
Yes, and the non-discrimination and PG-13 rules overlap well, so avoids bigotry and hornyposting.
Containment boards don't work, but we should make a c/piracy comm anyway
Didn't know the answer to this, so looked around to see what was available and made a list of hobby lemmys in a separate comment.
Lemmy.blahaj.zone has a lot of posts with a similar vibe but have struggle sessions about tankies. I think they could benefit from seeing our left unity culture, but we'd have to have janitors rigorously cleaning their shit before it hits our end. If we could moderate out the sectarian posts I think it would be a great addition.
this seems like a terrible fucking idea. it has 196 on it, which is known for its hyperfetishization of trans people. the fact that a trans space allowed them on is a serious mistake and it makes hexbear far more accepting to trans people as a result.
I think it is important to emphasize the word mistake here. The people running !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone are anticommunist shitlibs of the highest order, but the operators of the instance itself seem a lot more reserved. I have seen pushback against the red scare shit in some other threads there when the subject of blocking lemmygrad (which they haven't done) comes up.
I think these 196 dweebs just ran up in there, declared it their new home, and now they're stuck with them unless the admins decide to piss a lot of people off. I could be wrong, but this is the vibe I'm getting.
Anyway, I'm only being a pedantic nerd about this because it is very easy to get the moderation actions of the admins and mods of specific communities mixed up. Ultimately the admins deserve blame for leaving these people in power, but the landscape has changed drastically over the past week and I'm willing to keep my judgement a little bit lenient in the short term.
From what I've seen, they ban people for being ”tankies”, so I don't know about similar vibes.
Isn't 196 full of
ites? I know I don't have to subscribe but it seems like our users would a) bully them until we get defederated, damaging our reputation more than if we hadn't federated with them, and b) complain about them incessantly on here, and also complain about there being too many complaint posts and also complain about there being too many complaint posts about complaint posts.Ah but you are forgetting the parody posts about the complaint posts
If their mod team was burning alive, I would not even piss on them. We need to try other instances first because BZ has cool people but also extremely dedicated anticommunists, some of whom are mods.
Apparently we can federate with Mastadon too and I'd be curious to see how toots.matapacos.dog would show up in a reddit style UI. Not necessarily realistic but worth the experiment imo
We can, I've had Mastodon replies on lemmy.ml, and it seem reply parenting just doesn't work well. Mastodon just kind of has one long thread, not replies to each reply, so Lemmy can't assume which comment a reply is too and just puts it at the top-most level and gives you the @ping. Usable, but not ideal.
Wait, but wouldn't it work to make reply tweets show up as comment replies?
I think it puts the burden more on the Mastodon users to figure out than us.
At the moment, it is not possible to subscribe to user accounts on Lemmy, only communities. This means it is basically not possible monitor anything taking place on Mastodon from Lemmy because communities don't exist on Mastodon. Mastodon users are able to follow Lemmy users (though not communities), and can reply to posts / comments they make. These replies are visible on Lemmy. From the Mastodon user's perspective, there is no difference between a Lemmy post or a comment though. This may change as things develop.
~Federation Fridays~ We open the floodgates but only on Friday so we can work out our workweek frustrations by dunking on some libs.
Almost all of them, but I think we'd have to do it in stages with more similar instances first so users can grasp the concept of federation themselves and avoid torpedoing the federation concept or destroying hexbears reputation on the fediverse.
So probably lemmygrad first, and we'll see from there. Federating with instances that have sports, hobby and fitness communities would be really nice in my opinion.
I would prefer an open approach as well (but idgaf what we do as long as most people here are happy). Presumably the first week or so will be chaos, but we will eventually ban the troublemakers, get blocked by a couple dozen instances, block a handful ourselves, and find an equilibrium. The fact that we could just pull the plug at any time is reassuring. If it turns out to be a mistake, we return to the status quo. We are in an extremely unusual situation of being willing to federate and simply not having done so.
If we are going to do it one by one, we should probably be diplomatic about it and actually talk with these peer instance operators. Do a proper introduction, establish some mutual expectations, etc. Like you said, taking a few small steps at first is probably a good way to get acclimated.
If we are going to do it one by one, we should probably be diplomatic about it and actually talk with these peer instance operators. Do a proper introduction, establish some mutual expectations, etc.
Yeah we're going to have to do that.
Oh yeah and with the old posts back, your comment reminded me of this hilarious time a horse paste chud stumbled upon hexbear and got dunked on lol
https://hexbear.net/post/137175
Yeah if libs start posting liberalism on the hexbear instance it's fair game I guess lol. Though we should still be kind to well meaning folks.
Lemmygrad.ml is a good one too but again a case of moderators having to clean out the sectarianism
Lemmygrad is the only decent one, and the lowest amount of work for our moderation team. Everyone else will be screaming about tankies until they turn blue in the face.
If you're federated with an instance you don't have to subscribe to their stuff, it just gives the option and makes them appear if you sort by all
Yeah, but I'd also prefer if they couldn't see or interact with whatever I post
They can see it anyway because it's on the open internet, and interactions would be subject to our site's rules.
honestly we should federate with every non-nazi fed and spread the good word of communism
Everyone that isn't fash, but we should take our time to make sure we don't completely implode. Let's join just lemmygrad for, idk, a few days with an announcement reminding people to play nice with our comrades, then branch out to smaller commie instances and then push rightward (in terms of the leaning of cites we federated with) until we have all the non-fash (non-criminal/loli/snuff/etc) instances.
It's my impression that even federating with a porn instance creates legal liability, but I think that's a different topic.
People are viewing our sites culture as fragile. That is false. It can be killed if we tremendously fuck up, but our history on cth proves that it is a vector of infection at least as much as it is a victim. The libs have more to worry about from our culture than we do theirs.
site culture isn't a hearts of iron game where you slowly color the lemmy map red. even just federating with lemmygrad would lead to an influx of anti-anarchist sectarian swerfs to the community, which is going to be a headache both for users and for the moderators and is a permanent irreconcilable point for large sections of both sites
unlike reddit, everybody is specifically going out of their way to go to lemmy. there is no spectre, there is no constant influx of chuds that don't know about hogposting
if your goal was to agitate over the internet and send people towards hexbear you would be making accounts on reddit and other social media, not imagining converting sites the size of less popular CS:GO servers
I flatly reject your characterization of lemmygrad (the swerf claim is bullshit) but anyway you are more significantly incorrect in imagining people as so static in their beliefs and alignment. People who are interested in radical politics are people who are alienated from the status quo and overwhelmingly clinging to the psychological bouies of whatever interpretive lens they have been able to determine -- from the vantage point of mostly-narrow experience with other lenses and what their current one is -- suits them the best. If they encounter something on a regular basis that can plausibly serve them better even despite the biases of their current view, they will generally accept it over time.
I think there is an actual ability to do more than just preserve our virginal purity of comfort and illusory social harmony from being "diluted" by these people who you only rhwtorically conceptualize like a toxin or chaff.
so do you think that lemmygrad would eventually change their rules on sectarianism, or will it need to be heavily moderated on hexbear's end for the entirety of federation?
https://lemmygrad.ml/search/q/anarchists/type/All/sort/New/listing_type/All/community_id/0/creator_id/0/page/1
this entire search page is but a single week of lemmygrad posting about anarchists
The page I'm getting from that link includes posts from literally multiple years ago.
my bad, I forgot the search doesn't default to new, i'll change it
https://lemmygrad.ml/search/q/anarchists/type/All/sort/New/listing_type/All/community_id/0/creator_id/0/page/1
page 1 still goes back to a year ago -- which incidentally is user "TheConquestOfBread" reposting from Hexbear, and there multiple posts from that blatant Anarcho-Bidenist ziq or one of their cult members (I shudder to think what someone who follows them is like). A lot of the rest of it is reasonable conversation about what the ML/anarchist split is and also why those liberals on other instances even bother to call themselves "anarchists" to begin with.
Like, yeah, some of them will need to temper their speech to participate here, but it's not a well of seething hatred like the "anti-tankie" instances are for their respective target. I am confident that the vast majority of them can hang and the outliers can stay where they are or get bonked.
https://lemmygrad.ml/search/q/anarchists/type/Comments/sort/New/listing_type/All/community_id/0/creator_id/0/page/1
if you sort by comments alone it takes 12 pages to reach a year ago
this is an example of a highly upvoted comment on lemmygrad, 25 upvotes from 4 days ago: "Yeah, Anarchists don’t seem to actually want to succeed in anything. They just want to perpetually feel superior about their morals as well as comfortable that nothing will ever change. They want to be cool, contrarian good guys, imagining a world that will only ever exist in books and stories."
is it possible you think a lot of this is reasonable conversation because you were already reprimanded for sectarianism twice on this site?
Get over yourself, the one comment that I can read was me correctly saying Trots don't deserve respect as a "sect" because they don't. Whichever mod removed that made an error, whether in understanding site policy or the paradox of tolerance, it is not for me to speculate.
If you want to keep up the hall monitor routine, report this comment and we can see what the reason given is, or we can try returning to talking like human beings instead of you making precious little insinuations about how I am a Bad Leftist who is best ignored.
i wasn't saying you should be ignored, or that you were a Bad Leftist, and i apologize if it came off that way
i was just asking you to reflect on any bias that might lead you to dismiss sectarianism like this
To answer your question, I don't believe the comment is accurate, but I do believe that the overwhelming majority of self-identified anarchists on the fediverse, which is where that conversation is taking place and functionally does not include Hexbear -- yet -- are accurately described by that comment, because the overwhelming majority that I have seen on lemmy.ml, on lemmy.world, on blahaj zone, and sopuli, b**haw, etc. are very obviously Anarcho-Bidenists who I saw multiple times arguing in parallel with neoliberal anticommunists in a united front against "tankies". Obviously there was the occassional "I didn't think they would eat my face" moment, but I never saw that produce an epiphany that maybe they had made poor allies, and I made a point of asking this rather gently a few times when it happened!
So that user needs to log off for a bit, but the comment could have been given literally one single qualifier and it would have been fine.
Edit: On Hexbear, the standard line from anarchists who express their opinion on such matters is, in so many words, "I support AES in its struggle against western imperialism as something material less malignant in virtually every respect." That is something that the anarcho-bidenists I was reading the replies of could never manage, so there will definitely be culture shock but I think the hostility reflected in that comment will be tempered because it is not meant to be directed at actually good leftists, which some overly-online MLs might believe are well-represented by the fucks on lemmy, etc. right now.
in that case, i hope your beliefs about them are real, as if their saying anarchists really is just is a meme shorthand for anarcho-bidenists and not indicative of a site-wide trend of severe sectarianism, then federation would simply be a case of using more accurate terminology
i don't personally buy it when you have the site admin posting stuff like this about anarchists and literally replying "anarchism is not a socialist ideology" to someone saying that they, like you, respect nuanced anarchists
Meh, the Dune Fox can stay in his domain then, but to be clear what I mean is not that X is what those posters are "really saying", rather that they are incorrect but that the change that would make them correct is both extremely simple and unavoidably obvious to someone who has only seen lemmy anarchists (and irl punks, sometimes, maybe) now seeing Hexbear anarchists, and most of them can thereby stand to modify their behavior and many, I believe, will even modify their thoughts. Those who don't can be banned, but are a limited number. Again, I assert to you that people, those alienated from society most of all, are often quite malleable, and in this case enculturation can very easily work in our favor.
i'm still a tad hesitant about what I've seen, but you make good points and have more experience with lemmygrad and its userbase than I do, so you've convinced me that federation with lemmygrad could work with a heavy hand to make sure it doesn't negatively affect hexbear's anarchist users
the first time I found out lemmygrad even existed was from a few months back when a new user who said they were from lemmygrad imploded all over a thread after a poster here said they enjoyed pornographic video games and sex positivity (aka not taped porn from the porn industry). the new user then started to link nofap threads from lemmygrad, and then deleted their account afterwards it was a very
momentright off the bat my first experience of the site was threads about dudes trying not to zerk it (as a gay dude the religious guilt energy in these threads were nauseating), and then i clicked to the main page and saw some genzedong looking anti-anarchist memes (which in retrospect probably was actually from c/genzedong) so I really got the worst possible first impression of the place which I see now probably ain't too representative of how it is normally lmao, and that instantly made the site and talk of federating with it unfairly
to me
Absolutely. the number of people who are on here advocating that by posting they are doing something political, and that hexbear should federate so that they can get more people to see their posts, and that will make any real concrete change is just ridiculous.
why is it so hard to find anarchists who don’t hate Tankies and Tankies who don’t hate anarchists. Why can’t we all just get along and overthrow capitalism.
Decades of infighting. The soviet union would fund communist groups but not anarchist, which was a point of resentment. Later, when the soviet union asked for communist parties to engage in bad policy like the United Front in Spain or the no-strike policy in the US, it built resentment with the independent left.
Later, the 4th international built wedges between themselves and "Stalinists."
Later the CIA posed as anarchists to drive wedges between anarchists and communists.
We're used to sectarianism and we're a little traumatized by it and is it any surprise we're all a little weary of each other?
I think these are all great example, however it does seem a little silly to me that so many people on the internet tie themselves to a past history that they have no real connection with outside of self identifying with certain historical movements or figures. I could see a case for valid disagreement over actual differences of opinion regarding theory/praxis, but how relevant are those differences here and now, really?
I don't think they are and I think the impulse is very online because the likelihood that you'll be thrust into a situation where you have an anarchist button and a tankie button in front of you is infinitesimal. Unless you're in a dedicated group, which you shouldn't give too many details about here because I'm from Langley, and you're discussing intermingling, the tendency towards one style or another your discussion is likely on strategy for the same goal. I imagine a tankie wouldn't mind if you stole from a grocery store to feed the homeless and I think a tankie could make a strong argument for joining the military to bring back organizational and training acumen.
I think part of the issue is genuine feds steering anarchists against Marxists in "the discourse" based on these past aggrievements that they have no connection to. I don't feel aggrievement towards living anarchists for 20th century ultraleft counterrevoltionaries, what sense does that make?
I think part of the issue is genuine feds steering anarchists against Marxists in "the discourse" based on these past aggrievements that they have no connection to.
This has been a proven thing in the past and I agree that it's likely happening now as well. I also think "patriotic socialists" are an op of some kind and maybe other groups that tend to focus a little too much on being wreckers.
Later the CIA posed as anarchists to drive wedges between anarchists and communists.
Do you mean the FBI or did the CIA do it too?
Probably lol, it's hard to tell which head of the hydra you're looking at
Me, I used to call myself an anarchist but then I realized I couldn't explain it well enough to justify anything about it. I guess I'm just a socialist.
Like, couldn't explain the concept well enough or couldn't explain what sets us apart from other socialists?
Ideally we could disabuse places like blahaj zone of their anti-tankie hysteria and then you'd have a nice spot to hang out
As for the inverse to this question, what instances would we not want to federate with, I've got the matapacos.dog block-list. It isn't super comprehensive, but it includes many of the most notable reactionary / loli / bot instances, as well as whatever has stumbled across my radar so far. A little over 100 in total, including some new Lemmy instances which have been overrun by spam bots or are run by outright reactionaries.
It looks like the porn instances are beginning to find their footing, so that's another thing to contend with.
There's no reason not to federate with those instances. If people here want to subscribe to them and participate in them let them, people do not have to see anything they do not want to see as they can block NSFW content entirely or they can block comms. Ditch the ones with illegal or extremely questionable content (loli etc).
matapacos.dog block-list
I misread for a moment and worried those AnBidenist bastards claimed another comrade on top of Blahaj
All of them. Hexbear should not operate on white list, it should operate on blacklist.
Communists should not hide from engaging with everyone.
"I'm not locked in here with you! You're locked in here with me!" _
