fuck every "leftist" who does not acknowledge usa is not lesser evil or any other bullshit
I think a lot of western leftism is less focused on building a movement and more on carving out little leftists enclaves where you can LARP like you're living in a post-capitalist society. And the thing is, it's easier to do that under a bourgeois liberal democracy than a AES state. The bourgeois don't care about your zucchini farming commune, have fun fuckers it's not challenge to our power. The Party Chairman who's survived 3 assassination attempts this year alone is maybe within his rights to suspect your utopian commune could become a CIA gun smuggling front and may shut it down.
Anyway that's why I think certain "anti-authoritarian leftists" defend western liberal democracy, internally they're a more welcoming space for social experimentation.
this would be funny if it wasn't literally what happened to proles of the round table
What actually happened to them? I've seen them mentioned on and off as podcasts to listen to but never knew the lore behind what happened
I don’t remember exactly but one guy wanted to use the patron money to start a brewery, don’t remember if he actually did it. I think the others released an episode or two where they talk about it. IIRC all the episodes are on archive.org somewhere
At least microbreweries make some decent beers sometimes, a lot of these communes can't even grow fucking zucchini right.
If you can't grow zucchini you live in the antarctic or the ocean and even then I wouldn't be surprised if those fuckers thrived there as well.
Literally a running joke in my town is the only time you have to lock your car doors is late summer because otherwise you'll come back from a store and one of your neighbors will have left 5 pounds of zucchini on your passenger seat.
And our second most profitable crop is rocks.
Nah they just slurp up US state department propaganda thats served to them like it's candy. They really think AES states are indistinguishable from fascism and that the US is good but flawed and just needs some reforms.
US is good but flawed and just needs some reforms.
The reforms:
Show
Actually Existing Socialism for example China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and Best Korea
Btw because you mentioned weird zucchini farming I just read this and found it kinda interesting: https://thebulletin.org/premium/2024-05/what-do-we-really-know-about-urban-agricultures-impact-on-people-places-and-the-planet/#post-heading
Very accurately which is why I never really bothered to engage with the left 🤷♂️
If usa is anything but the great satan for you, you are not leftist
And this isn't purity, this is praxis
America is always the greater satan. Death to Amerikka, if course
Just wait until you find out how popular aryanism still is with basically any group of white people in the world outside of maybe some of Ireland.
I might be taking a meme way too seriously, buuuut.
Okay, if life in China and the US is about equal if not better in favour of China - why not go live there?
I wouldn't. Why? No trans rights. Familial approval for medication is a killer for trans people, in practice it might as well be a ban outside of two neighbourhoods in San Francisco. Not to mention the clamping down on DIY, which unlike the west, the Chinese government has real power to actually enforce to some extent.
So the US is better off in that regard, I'd much rather live there and their government positions align more with my own and I'm anti-China and "anti-authoritarian" in that sense, but still a socialist.
Why wouldn't I be?
This is just one example, there are others. So I think it's disingenuous to frame Libertarian socialists/anarchists as purely just simping for 'murikkka when many of them are readily willing to admit US bad too, just less bad in some ways.
Wow an imperialist social democrat, I'm shocked. You'd better actually be trans, and not some weasel hiding your bullshit behind fake concern for trans people.
you know theres plenty of situations in the us were families need to approve of you transitioning, or are you conveniently ignoring that?
Struggle where you are, fight in your workplace, support and raise awareness for international causes at home.
you know theres plenty of situations in the us were families need to approve of you transitioning, or are you conveniently ignoring that?
No I don't actually, I'd be interested to hear about this? As far as I'm aware, blue US states all have informed consent as the treatment model for adults, basically world standard in that regard.
Wow an imperialist
I think just because I critique an empire you like from an anarchist perspective doesn't make me an imperialist, but we can agree to disagree I suppose.
Struggle where you are, fight in your workplace, support and raise awareness for international causes at home.
One doesn't exclude the other. I'm not sitting about foaming at the mouth about China all day, we're just having a discussion and I'm open to hearing your perspective.
I think just because I critique an empire you like from an anarchist perspective doesn't make me an imperialist, but we can agree to disagree I suppose.
Lol. You literally think that not starting any wars in general for more than 40 years is just as bad as constantly invading the rest of the world and killing and torturing non-white people - including LGBT people.
Hell, you have come out and said that you are more aligned with the latter than with the former, so yes, it's safe to say that you are an imperialism supporter. Your 'anarchist perspective' is just 'it's good that my state kills millions abroad for my benefit'.
One doesn't exclude the other. I'm not sitting about foaming at the mouth about China all day
You have already said that you are more fine with a regime that can't exist for one second without invading somewhere and committing genocides than with a state that has provably made massive improvements in the lives of working-class people, has been at the forefront of switching the world's energy to green, which hasn't committed any genocides, and which hasn't started any wars in more than 40 years.
One doesn't exclude the other
Also, you seem to not understand why you were told to focus on your country/state.
Supposedly, you know more about where you live than about countries where you never set foot in and which you are only informed about by memes and other forms of osmosis. This makes you more qualified to deal with the former than with the latter.
Supposedly, also, you have a greater ability to influence the situation in the country where you live than elsewhere (unless you join your military to invade other countries, in which case you are welcome to be rightfully punished for that).
Westerners who consider themselves to be 'anarchists' sure do tend to ignore all that and simp for their genocidal states while regurgitating said states' propaganda about how evil and barbarous all of those countries that are outside of the imperial core are.
Your beliefs are neither anti-authoritarian, nor are they rooted in international camaraderie and recognition of people from other countries as fellow human beings.
So, let me get this straight, you think that not participating in warfare for more than 40 years is just as bad as constantly invading the rest of the world, committing genocides, torture, etc. in the name of colonialism on the grounds that you get to benefit from the latter regime? And you want to be taken seriously?
Yeah, seems like you are just simping for the empire that kills and tortures non-white people en masse because you are, personally, a beneficiary of said killings and torture.
On the grounds I get to benefit? So are you implying that the relative freedom for queer folk in the US is a direct product of imperialist foreign policy, and the absence of this in China is why queer rights struggle there?
On the grounds I get to benefit?
You quite literally are saying that because you would personally benefit from the empire that has been committing genocide after genocide throughout its history and which has been the most prolific aggressor in the world for a while, you choose to be more aligned with it instead of with the rest of the world. You choose for your position to be an oppressor-nationalist one and anti-internationalist.
Going to quote the relevant line lest you decide to hide it later:
So the US is better off in that regard, I'd much rather live there and their government positions align more with my own and I'm anti-China and "anti-authoritarian" in that sense, but still a socialist
So are you implying that the relative freedom for queer folk in the US is a direct product of imperialist foreign policy
No, it's a consequence of LGBT community fighting for its rights, and not a consequence of your empire voluntarily giving LGBT people their rights.
Also, it wasn't too long ago when your empire was more hostile to LGBT people than the PRC is today, or other non-Imperial core states of the past. You seem to assume that it is impossible for relevant things to change.
In any case, you are a chauvinist. You will find another reason to support your empire's genocides. If it's not LGBT rights, it would somehow be women's rights. If not that, it would be some vague 'human rights'. If not those, it would be no less vague 'freedom' in general and 'freedom of speech' in specific. Those are all just excuses.
You literally support genocides of non-white people and killing and torture of LGBT people across the world on the basis that you, personally, get to benefit from your empire.
Most importantly, you can't go become a citizen or even permanent resident there. Oh, sure you can go on their embassy website and it has a process. You won't ever get through that process, though. Only a few super rich or famous westerns are able to get through that process. Not average people like us. If you marry a Chinese citizen you won't even get it. You will have to get temporary visas every few years even if you have a kid. Your kid will be a Chinese citizen. You will never be or even a permanent resident. You will not be able to open a bank account, fully use WeChat for easy stuff like payments, have trouble getting housing, and so much more. You will perpetually be a legal outsider there.
Unfortunately, yeah. I could be wrong, however. Here is a bit of a challenge: find someone who is a normal working-class person who was not a Chinese citizen and who was able to go through the process and get permanent residency or citizenship. As a far as I know nobody has done it unless they were rich or famous. I think you could probably find somebody but I'm pretty sure it'll be some kind of extenuating circumstance. Definitely no westerners. It's a big complaint among expats who married a Chinese spouse. The process to being a permanent resident there is basically impossible. At some point in the process it will completely and indefinitely stall out.
I'm a reformist now
The main enemy is at home!
