I'm vegan
Jeez, diarrhea for 2+ months? How could you delude yourself into thinking that's a good decision?
I became allergic to like everything a few years ago and didn't have a solid shit for like 6 months. I got used to it until I changed my diet and I still can't believe I dealt with that for so long.
Why does butter give me diarrhea?
Eating stick after stick of pure fat and wondering why it's leaking outta my ass
Why is he not drinking the blood of a calf? Fucking soy boy
Avoiding the phytoestrogens in soy products by purchasing meat and getting that real good estrogen shit
avoiding soy by only eating animals that are gorged on soy just inject that shit directly into my bloodstream
Carnivore is insane. Vegan is a healthy lifestyle. The fact that idiots like rogan compare the 2 as the same is insane
It's more the South Park brand of centrism. "The liberals are crazy and the conservatives are crazy, so by default I am right."
Being that meat is supposed to be slow to digest, couldnt it be inferred that we dont actually need to eat that much meat to begin with?
Who do they think they’re getting one over on, shitting out of their doodoo ass like that?
Also mods, please give us a /c/vegan our comrades yearn for freedom and i want to see the recipes they share!
Goddammit. I’m going to wind up becoming a vegan, aren’t I?
If we do the job right, yes.
It's easier now to be vegan than ever. Vegan butter and yoghurt is why I'm already half way there my self without literally any effort. With soups and stews, vegan chili, vegan curry and stir frys, more than half the meals I eat are vegan... and I started with having never voluntarily eaten a vegetable in my life.
I just wish going Vegan wasn't more expensive (depending on where you shop, obviously) than "normal"/non-Vegan diets. :/
It's that and the seasoning/flavor that stops me (beyond wanting a burger/steak now and then) from going Vegan.
Being vegan isn't more expensive unless you're buying frozen meat substitutes and other processed foods. Beans, rice, lentils, and potatoes are dirt cheap and can supply all of your carbs and some protein. Add greens and other vegetables that you like. Bake your own bread. Make your own sauces and stocks. The only reason most people think being vegan is expensive is because they cling on to things that they used to eat and buy the extremely expensive premade vegan versions of them.
I'm guessing you're talking more about fake meats. I really only make inexpensive vegan stuff my self. Vegetable stew is just carrot, leek, potato and stock. Add salt, a tonne of pepper and eat with fresh bread and vegan butter. I don't know if there's anything nicer for cheaper that exists in the world.
Chili - tinned beans of various kinds. Curry - lentils or chickpeas although I use jackfruit often which I'll give you, is more expensive. Stir fry - Tofu which is more expensive than meat if you don't buy it in large quantities, but evens out if you just use less? Not the best consolation I know, but works.
Sometimes I just have baked apples ( cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger and stevia/sugar) for dinner with some vegan yoghurt as I'm not a big fan of dinner + dessert, I go one or the other. But it's the same price as regular yoghurt around my parts. Although you can culture your own if you wanna save money.
This is why I've slipped in to near-veganism. I do still eat meat every now and again but when I do I go big with a steak or brisket, fried chicken ect. Tell a lie though, I do eat tinned Tuna at least once a week. Again I'm not actually aiming for veganism but easily more than half my meals don't have meat in them. I guess my rule is no unnecessary meat on top of no dairy.
facts it’s just a matter of chipping away first no meat then go oat milk instead of milk ect
I haven't given up meat and I probably wont ever do so completely because I enjoy cooking too much. I limit it as much as possible and I find I'm cooking more and more vegan food.
I'd say definitely the first big step for me was giving up dairy, which came well before I started to substitute meat or remove it all together in my recipes.
I wouldn't find it so obnoxious, if they just, like, tried a carnivore diet because they thought it would work for them, or whatever. OK. Knock yourself out.
But what makes this funny is that most of the time they're so condescending about it, like they can't wait to tell you how stupid you are for not drinking a steak and egg smoothie or whatever.
In our sports nutrition class, we used the text (Sports Nutrition – A Practice Manual for Professionals 4E) that was basically a collection of review papers and meta-analyses. We looked at two papers that came to the conclusion that 1.39 and 1.41 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight is probably the most that a 100 kg lean male atlete (basically a bodybuilder) would need to take in to satisfy their protein requirements.
Here's a quote from page 223:
Scientific evidence indicates that protein levels more than 1.7 to 1.8 g/kg result in oxidation of the excess amino acids (28). In other words, a higher than recommended protein intake does not result in greater muscle gain, even with an intense resistance training program. Therefore, it is important to increase both dietary carbohydrates and protein as well as consume an adequate amount of fat to create an energy excess.
I remember reading though that place a while ago and the sheer number of posts about uncontrollably shiddin thier pants when the thought it was a fart is stunning.
And they make fun of vegan for having a difficult to balance diet
Hydration is for pussies, real men only drink whiskey and coffee, with a side of bacon
Ok the 4 days in people are bizarre but I can still imagine they possess some form of logic, but THREE MONTHS IN???
lmao.
"I only eat meat, from which the body derives barely any caloric energy, and I keep shidding out of my doo-doo ass? What do?"
What do you mean barely any caloric energy? Like, relative to the dry mass?
Well even in ultraendurance athletes, who are outliers, their bodies only generate something like
6-8% of ATP from proteins (I forget the exact amount)edit: 5% in presence of carbohydrate, up to 15% when not in presence. Normal people just don't seem to turn it into "energy" for movement in concentrations of note. I guess you could make the argument that certain levels of excess protein intake can be converted to fat for storage, so maybe I'm a little off base with the assertion. It would be super slow to extract that energy for on-demand use though. And there are too many negative consequences to excess protein consumption IMO to justify it. It's like people will do literally anything to avoid acclimating to eating just a little bit less overall quantity.Excess protein consumption.
Here's a quote from Sports Nutrition - A Practice Manual for Professionals, 4E, on page 436:
Lemon cautions against extremely high protein intakes (> 2 g/kg/day) because of possible health hazards and the lack of evidence of performance advantage. A review by Wolfe (75) addresses the use of protein supplements in exercise training and issues the same cautionary note that excessive protein intake may increase the potential for dehydration due to high urea excretion, and may cause gout, liver and kidney damage, calcium loss, bloating, and diarrhea, particularly in at-risk groups such as children, elderly individuals, and those with chronic conditions.
Attention has been given to the possible benefits of combining protein with carbohydrate during exercise to delay fatigue or immediately after exercise to maximize muscle glycogen synthesis (60, 76-78). Results have been mixed, with inconclusive evidence to support the addition of protein in the presidents of adequate carbohydrate intake.
I'm not telling you not to eat protein, just don't have too much. The whole point of the thread was the Jordan Peterson meat guys. I knew a faculty guy at college who literally got gout because of his consumption of protein shakes (often 30-50g) Don't eat that much (to the point that you get gout I mean), in fact you should have anywhere between 1.4-1.7 if you are an athlete. But don't cut out carbohydrates, the meat people, they're crazy.
yeah but europeans have iron problems as a consequence of lactose tolerance.
The highest red meat eating demographic is unironically the least adapted to it. Although I don't think anybody is particularly adapted to it, save for maybe some Inuit people and the Plains Americans (the latter of which don't exist anymore)
Friendship with fiber ended.
Meat is best friend n- AAAAGHHHH!!!! My Intestines! Why?!
