cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/72043

2/4/2021 Update: In light of chucklefuck TERF shit with Giggle, I am once again demanding the rest of you liberals educate yourselves on trans issues with Trans Liberation as a starting point. And you better believe more literature on minority struggle is in the pipelines. We're doing some reading this month, libs. Get ready.


AUDIOBOOKS HAVE BEEN RECORDED FOR ALL 8 CHAPTERS. YOU LITERALLY HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR LIBERALISM.

https://hexbear.net/post/48476

Follow that link and you'll find a free download of the book in pdf and comrade @EugeneDebs's epub, comrade @futomes' audiobooks for all eight chapters, and notes and discussions from the book (and don't you dare just read the fucking notes you god damn liberals, read the fucking book or listen to the audiobook).

I spent an entire weekend night scanning the whole damn book so y'all could educate yourselves on the fucking struggles we've been screaming about for the past six months and hardly any of you damn cissie libs participated. Had you participated you'd probably have a better understanding of the struggles we face and we probably wouldn't be in this situation where trans people are heading for this damn hills because you're all shit libs driving us away.

Fucking read it or listen to the audiobooks and I won't ask again. It's all free. The book is only 147 pages - that's 7 pages per night for exactly 3 weeks. I wipe my fucking ass with 7 pages, that's nothing. People put genuine effort into this to ensure you could educate yourselves and you have no reason not to outside of fucking liberalism.

It reads quick. Drop whatever the fuck you're reading and read this. Now. :leslie-shining:

Edit: I'll be throwing up a discussion thread at some point in the next week or so for you damn shitlibs to comment on with things you find meaningful so I'll know if you actually gave a shit. I swear to God I better see y'all in the comments.

If you're having trouble downloading, there are links in this comment by u/hexaflexagonbear that seem to work.

  • HornyOnMain
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    10 months ago

    Finally time for me to redeem myself and read this

    wild to think that I thought I was cis when the drama and the pronouns struggle session first dropped and now several years later I'm wearing skirts and shit vivian-shrug

    • kristina [she/her]
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      10 months ago

      sicko-fem communism is a pathway to many abilities some transphobes consider to be... unnatural.

    • ilyenkov [she/her, they/them]
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      10 months ago

      wild to think that I thought I was cis when the drama and the pronouns struggle session first dropped and now several years later I'm wearing skirts and shit

      Same, lol.

      • ilyenkov [she/her, they/them]
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        10 months ago

        I remember we had a demographics survey a long time ago and were already pretty trans; I wonder what the numbers are now. I think there's a lot of us who have changed a little sense then, lol

    • LeylaLove [she/her, love/loves]
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      10 months ago

      What was that struggle session? I was still cis tho while I was on Reddit Chapo, but I took a break because Hexbear pre federation was different. Still

      • HornyOnMain
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        10 months ago

        We had a load of reactionary patsoc types and their adjacents who used to use / raid the site and they were really, really upset about mandatory pronouns and being told not to be transphobic

        • LeylaLove [she/her, love/loves]
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          10 months ago

          Glad y'all picked the right side. Dongistan was genzedong still left on Reddit and they were way too comfortable with actual right wingers vibing in there under the guise of "left unity". Too many V****ites who never got past the reactionary debate bro shit

          • HornyOnMain
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            10 months ago

            Yeah I used to kind of lurk dongistan and gradually got more and more uncomfortable with it and then just stopped using it

  • silent_water [she/her]
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    10 months ago

    I hope this gets some visibility on the federated instances. there's a lot of people over there that could do with reading this.

    if you're visiting from another instance: read this book. it's short and it will change your perspective on queer politics. there's no liberation for any of us without liberation for us all.

  • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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    10 months ago

    Being bullied into reading this book by TC69 is one of the most important things that has ever happened in both my personal and political development.

    Losing hir still hits hard. I could have learned so much more. trans-heart

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        10 months ago

        one of the admins got doxxed and the whole admin team changed hands. wouldn't be surprised if she still posts under a different name but we don't know for very good reason.

              • JuneFall [none/use name]
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                10 months ago

                The writers and producers did decide that a scene has to be there in which our protagonist does sever his last social connection that directly relates to the class and loyalty of his friends and crew. This of course has to be initiated by his former buddy as to not create a moral guilt.

                While I do agree mostly with your reading from the in universe logic (especially that what he did academically was meh). Though it remains that there is a clear valuation of what work is good and which isn't. Some aspect of that is monetary valuation, the liberal leftist speech in regard to not wanting to work for the military is sadly not enough to breach it - as it is linked to the general anti war sentiment of the liberal's in relation to Vietnam and thus not honest, as we could see 4 years later after 9/11).

      • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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        10 months ago

        IDK the details but I miss the fuck out of hir. Hir content helped me support my son's transition more than anybody else, and the Internet's just a little dimmer without hir presence.

  • Othello [comrade/them, love/loves]
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    10 months ago

    are there any trigger warnings I should know about? stone butch blues got intense and I never finished. I will read it I just gotta be in the right headspace for certain topics.

    • heartheartbreak [fae/faer]
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      10 months ago

      Beyond pink or blue is not a novel it's more of like a theoretical exploration and journey of what transness means.

      I can't remember ATM but most likely mentioning some violence perpetrated towards trans people, but not narratively.

      • Othello [comrade/them, love/loves]
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        10 months ago

        that is sooooo sweet, but it seems like such a big ask! I think ill be ok since it sounds more like dry theory rather than a heart wrenching novel. youre a gem comrade!

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      10 months ago

      While I do agree with faer, there are a couple of CWs. It is about history of marginalized after all, so from what I remember there is some police brutality, some societal repression, some mentions of violence, some terms like deviant and worse are used, some words have outdated meanings (today other phrases would be used, but those were often only developed afterwards).

      https://hexbear.net/comment/3878643 seems to be happy to give specific ones. The main frame is that of speeches given by Leslie. Over all what did affect me personally was more the acquainting myself with what is described and contrasting or complementing it with my lived experiences.

  • D61 [any]
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    10 months ago

    Good shit then... good shit now.

    feinberg-sicko

  • 187_Invitation [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    Shout out to the user who recorded the audiobook. Did a pretty good job.

  • grym [she/her, comrade/them]
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    10 months ago

    Uphold TC69 Thought forever.

    That post made me engage with Feinberg and that book, and I actually read it and posted a little comment/review of it later as TC69 had asked. I was cis but already opening up and questioning a little back then, but that book genuinely helped me a lot, and look at me now.

  • M68040 [they/them]
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    10 months ago

    The shattering of hard lines is the foundation of a better future. In all places, in all forms.