My friend asked me this tonight and I was wondering what yall think
Walgreens, at least where I live (upstate/central NY) . No insurance or anything. As I type this the gravity of my privilege is sinking in.
Hell, good to know. If you got it, use it.
CVS/Walgreens charge down here. I'm in the deep south but if im ever in NY ill keep that in mind.
I'm trying to run through the scenarios in which a flu shot can be free in one place and not the other. Would state funding even cover it? Either way, sorry to hear that. Just another iniquity in the healthcare system. :/
Yeh I had to pay at a pharmacy too. I'm in deep red in the midwest.
I work at [redacted place] that was "giving them out this year", but since they pay me to work 73% time (just under full time I don't get benefits) when I went to the flu shot event they literally turned me away because they didn't know how to bill my insurance easily.
Free at Walgreens and Publix here in central FL, too. As well as various clinics.
You can get them free where I live too, if you're paying attention to where and when they're giving them out.
It’s covered by my insurance and my workplace also gives out vouchers so people who aren’t enrolled in our plan can get it for free.
They also would have flu shots available at the office that you could sign up for, but not this year because COVID.
See, in that thread about trump and imperialism, I could get behind the argument of 'the interests of capital entirely dictate the outcome', but here there are facts of biology that are outside of the control of capital. Most of the ruling class would love for everyone to be fully immunized immediately, but if some issue comes up about the effectiveness or side effects of the vaccine, they may decide that the second best option is to cover up the flaws so that they can tell people to go back to normal.
The interests of capital have no incentive to make a bad vaccine.
They not only want it for themselves, but they want things to return back to status quo even more.
Telling people the vaccine is safe and effective even when it isn't will get people returning to their old working/spending/line-go-up-making habits though, which is good for short-term profit which is the only thing the interests of capital care about
My conspiracy minded brain thinks that, instead of like a fake vaccine, we'll just end up seeing quite a few "almost to the market promising" vaccines intended as an investment signal, but don't make it to market for whatever reason.
I think we'll eventually get a good one though, but before that it'll just be a bunch of misleading press releases that make some ghouls richer.
Glad to see this actually becoming popular here. A few weeks ago the common sentiment was overwhelmingly antivax, I got downvoted hard for calling that out.
If this was a US made vaccine I’d be pretty suspicious, especially if it was a available before the election.
The Pfizer vaccine seems like it’s probably effective, but I doubt any of us will be able to get our hands on it with how difficult it is to store and transport.
You act like there has never been a dangerous corner cutting product that entered the market. I recall a fucking Boeing airplane nose diving at random recently by some jank ass code. Sure they want to make profit, but they also want to do it whilst cutting as many corners as they can get away with. I'm not antivax at all, but I'm not going to inject myself with a vaccine that's rushed out of the door. If you wanna do that and beta test, go right ahead. I'll socially distance and wear a mask in the meantime until it's properly proven to have no nasty side effects.
I'm not convinced it won't be government sponsored saline water, to be honest. I've read enough William Blum to not put anything passed the US government's desire to manufacture consent anymore. 👀👀👀👀
Doesn't help that the CIA ran a fake vaccine drive in Afghanistan as cover to sequence people's DNA.
Yeah, the long term negative effects of covid are probably scarier than the long term negative effects of the vaccine, if there even are any
On the other hand, I may want to let someone else prove me right before I do it 👀
Yes, the pfizer one was shown to cause production of both antibodies and T-cells. If their early results of ~90% efficacy are correct and phase 3 shows no extreme symptoms ... why not?
Yes. Sure there are likely immune system risks but I'm young and healthy.
I'd prefer to take the Cuban one, for non Communism-related reasons
EDIT: assuming infinite supply of it. Not gonna take it and throw some boomer under the bus.
No because they have not released enough information to prove it works for all age groups and with people who have pre-existing medical conditions. I fall in the latter category with my heart problems.
Right now they’re trying to rush an ARN based vaccine (all of them) that could have some potential effect on people with certain medical conditions, but works for most, so yeah there’s a greater risk for that one (maybe not much at all), and I’m sure it will have some stats and informations, but people with less risk protect those with higher risk for the beginning.
Then later on, maybe end of 2021 there will be the really deactivated vaccines which will be much safer, but that’s more work.
If we're talking about taking it at the expense of someone else getting it, no. I'm not in any high risk group, and so other people would benefit more.
I also know people in pharma, and I know how they do statistics for this type of thing. There could be rare side-effects that, by choice of study size and luck, have not come to light (with 43k participants, they'd only see side effect that affects 1 in 100k people about 1/3 of the time). And they've only had less than a year, so there's no way to observe if there are long-term side effects. Again, though, I'm in a low risk group. Those odds might be acceptable for someone in a higher risk group.
Solidarity with the essential workers and high-risk people who may have good reasons not to trust it, but need to get the vaccine anyway to protect themselves and the people important to them . A lot of the rest of this general debate is just noise from ppl who have the privilege to wait to see if it's "safe enough" by whatever standards they have.
Yeah I guess. I'm young and healthy and if my legs fall off because of it at least I'll get attention
