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Edit: Posting this was suggested by fellow comrade /u/ScreamoBMO the topic was how to reduce risk when consuming LSD (commonly known as acid). Please be aware that taking acid doesn't make you cool, posting does. If you struggle with substance addiction I recommend not reading further.
That doesn't help your friend, however as general advise I recommend doing acid after you are 27, do it in sessions which are at least 2 weeks separated from each other (without the effect of other drugs, so no THC, alcohol, coffeein (at best), speed, MDMA, shrooms, keta, coke, or so). Do have a friend with you who doesn't trip and you trust enough to trip.
In case you got LSD tabs (so small, thin less than fingernail sized tabs of paper with around 100 to 125 mikro per tabs - 100mikro for LSD25(*) and 125 for stuff like 1p-LSD) do take less than an eight of a tab, so not more than 12.5 mikrogramm (this is roughly! use a scissor to prepare your tabs before) for your first test. Stay at home, start early-ish (since the effect will last to 10-12 hours and some people are still energized after 12-14 hours, take it early enough before you want to go to sleep).
Acid is working in over long periods of times, however you will notice after a while like a few dozend minutes that you have a slight effect. The maximum effect will be the first peak (or hilltop as I call it now). from then you will have a slightly reduced effect till you find you are suddenly at a new hilltop (which isn't quite as high as the one before) and this goes on till you have traveled towards the outskirts of your journey. In that way it is like hiking: you start with the big hill you want to climb and then you move through a hilly side back to the grasslands.
If you start with that "low-ish" of a dosage you will get a slight feel for some (but not all!) effects of acid. You might be more relaxed, a bit more happy, the world might look less gray than it is usually the case, some people take it in as more colorful. You might feel a bit off, which is your brain telling you that unusual experiences are going on. That is normal and nothing to worry about, remember: after the trip which lasts at most half a day you will be fine and you are safe with a friend and an environment you know.
I strongly recommend to prepare a few fruits and an easy dinner to eat during your trip and have something to drink (water, tea, juice) ready. Also I recommend to have nice blankies and if you like the possibility to play relaxing music (and the option to turn it off it is too much). Furthermore having a few pens to draw can be nice. Cuddling might feel nice, however at the first trips I recommend not doing sexual stuff with your trip sitter (and some might never do, which is fine and some advise). You might feel more horny than usual, you might feel more active and energetic, might talk more to your trip-sitter and draw some connections you typically don't. You might be introspective, but at that dosage it should be hand-able. I don't think acid is for everyone (and if you are on some medication like MAO-blockers or antidepressants or such it might actually not have very much, or different, or no effect except stress for your body).
After such a trip wait at least the 2 weeks so that you don't have tolerance buildup and if you like you can increase the dosage to a bit below a quarter of a tab (so less than 25 mikro). This will be a vastly more intense trip with new effects. However since you learned how to experience acid you can see which elements are new and which you already know. You will also be able to handle feelings better. E.g. letting go of emotion and having the trip sitter with you. Typically and with time most people I know will go to something like an 1/8s of a tab plus a bit so you are around 20 mikro.
The next trips would be either the same-ish (or lower) dosage as before and changing the setting e.g. walking in summer through a forrest that is easy to reach (when you feel comfortable with that and can easily reach a safe place from there - remember not to drive your car for 1-3 days after tripping). Alternatively slightly increase the dosage by not more than a bit over an 1/8s to 1/4 max per time and stay in rooms you know and feel safe in. If you increase the dosage or have dosages that are above 45 mikros or so I recommend to not go to clubs, festivals and alike unless you have some experience.
The effect of acid varies strongly influenced by set, setting, dosage (and skill). The arbitrary levels of sub-microdosing (nearly no experienced effect), microdosing (small effects), "meso"dosing (20+ mikro), the fluid-fun zone (anything between meso and intense), intense trip (50+ mikro), deep trip (70+ mikro), very deep (and only recommended rarely after reducing tolerance and after several month gaps in between, more than 70).
I personally don't recommend at all anything that is a whole tab, or more (100/125 mikro+).
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor or lawyer and the effects vary by person, as such even the categories will be different to some, I would advise to go step by step, though
Within the fluid-fun zone to intense trips, you will very clearly feel much more influence of the atmosphere of where you are onto yourself. This means loud places and streets are bad, but comfy places might be nice (and relaxing music can be nice, but also too intense). Clubs and festivals might be mega intense and depending on yourself you might be comfy with a few trusted friends cuddling and dancing, but also have moments of just cuddling in under and with blankies for an hour or so. When you go into the intense trip dosage it could be that you reflect on yourself and your past and how social relations and feelings built up your personality and such. Remember you will have no otherworldly view of the world, but have experiences cause by yourself and your conscious. You might feel more connected to the world and others. You might also want to redose often and take more, this I don't recommend. If you did trip a couple of times, some people do take a bit of THC which for some kick offs a different kind of trip, that is intense. I have varying emotions about it and would advise to test it on a smaller dosage of both than what you typically know.
Acid dosage doesn't give linear effects. Double the dosage and you won't have only double the effects, but much more in quantity and different ones in quality.
Q: When I do it as you advise wouldn't that mean I am busy over multiple summers with LSD?
A: Yes. This might happen. However it is more secure and you might be able to enjoy the effects much more than when you take a whole tab and don't quite know what to expect. From the people I spoke with and who tripped and those who tripped with me it seems that step by step reduces bad experiences and increases the resilience of the people testing. If you find out early on it isn't for you long term negative effects are more rare and as such people can enjoy it more if it helps them. There were also studies (or at least 1) that showed that people who had slight increases in dosages would be more comfortable with their LSD experiences. As such I advise the at least 2 weeks gap between trips (and that is also to reduce tolerance effects) and have a handful of steps to reach a trip of 50+/70 mikros (which many people in the past started out directly with).
Q: How should I store the excess LSD when it takes so long to consume even three tabs?
A: I advise to not store material that is criminal in your country at home. However this is an example in which the society and its repressive laws do increase problems. It would be best to have known tabs of a known source and have them stored well and tested (this is the first tab you want to use, send it to a lab). Acid stored on a paper tab can be stored by wrapping it up in aluminum foil and putting that into a plastic bag so that no water will get to the tab. It ought to be stored at a cool (at least below 20°, but not freezing(?)) , dry and dark(!) place. Some people bury it in the outsides (watch fingerprints, also be aware many police jurisdictions don't need a warrant to dig stuff up or catch you during the act, but would need one for your home).
(*): Please consider that some tabs that are bought don't just contain LSD25, but sometimes are laced with an unwanted drug to deliver a fast kick. This is not ideal as the interactions and reactions are more different than from one substance. If there is a possibility to drug check , do send a drug check station of your country one of your tabs so it can be tested.
This is a good post. In particular the advice about testing the water with dosage. I did one tab my first time and it was plenty, let me tell you, but I had already experimented with mushrooms pretty heavily. The worst and most easily avoided mistake people make is to take too much the first time or take some, get impatient that it's not working, and take more.
Psychedelics are a more than worthwhile experience to pursue, but caution is warranted. Most drugs pick you up and put you back down. Psychedelics change your relationship with reality and your own mind, and it's hard to imagine what that's going to be like beforehand or predict how you'll deal with it. What @JuneFall is outlining here is absolute maximum caution and safety. You might YOLO it and take acid the first time with no problems and have a great time, especially if you limit your dosage and manage your set and setting, but this is a really excellent outline about how to approach acid with a maximum of safety.
If you have access to mushrooms, that's another option as well, and most of these recommendations would be just as effective. Dosage can be tricky due to variable potency but starting with perhaps 1.75 grams would be a reasonable starting place. Absolutely do not go mushroom picking if you don't know what you're doing, but stick with lab-grown psilocybin mushrooms. Plan to not be around strangers, even more so than acid. I find it tends to be much less cerebral and more emotional/spiritual, less visual than acid. It's also a much shorter trip, ~5-6 hours.
I also find acid to be a bit trickier than mushrooms in a sense. When I've done acid, I feel much more clear-headed than on mushrooms, but your thinking is still disordered. The first time I did acid, some friends of mine decided they wanted to start a fire. I was busy inside talking to someone who was having a rough time and after they started feeling better, I went outside to see how they were getting on. They had decided that the best way to start a fire was to pour gasoline into a plastic bucket and light it on fire. By the time I got there, they were sitting around a flaming puddle of melted plastic that had fused to the driveway of the house with couple of tree branches they had thrown on top of it. The best part was that they had walked right past an old, dry Christmas tree sitting on the porch, one of the most flammable things imaginable, to do this.
Thanks for your post and appraisal.
The...most easily avoided mistake people make is to take too much the first time or take some, get impatient that it’s not working, and take more.
Is a really big point I might've highlighted more. I sure did it when taking Shrooms (Psilocybin) the first time. It is also true, that my post is setting pretty cautious ways. How you trip and how you act are your own choices. I know plenty which differed my my suggestions and who were fine. It isn't that if you ignore those points that you will have a bad trip. It just enables you, as PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS writes, to be better equipped with more intense trips and have likely less problems when starting in steps.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to criticize. I thought this was a really good and comprehensive post about how to approach psychedelics safely.
Are psilocybin spores legal to possess where you live? In many countries I believe you can (legally) purchase them on the clearnet and (illegally) cultivate them yourself.
In a warm and sunny place like Greece, growing your own San Pedro cactus and doing a mescaline extraction once they're large enough may be worth it. There's also legal plant sources for DMT. I don't know about the RC market nowadays, maybe there's a few psilocybin analogs that are still legal in your jurisdiction. 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MIPT and the like.
I'm also only mentioning general options here. I hope nobody starts posting sources, that's the one thing to avoid in online drug discussions (i'm serious about that, don't post sources like that one time in the benzo thread, this gets forums in trouble, it gets vendors in trouble, it ultimately contributes to reliable, legal sources drying up).
If you struggle with substance addiction I recommend not reading further.
damn. well, looks like a nice post at least. shame i get addicted to stuff so freaking quickly -_-
Should note though that LSD definitely isn't one of the most addictive drugs out there, I'd say far less addictive than common things like weed and caffeine. Tolerance builds so fast that it is very impractical to dose more than a few times a month. I've personally struggled heavily with addiction, but never at all when it came to LSD. Usually a trip leaves me having been glad I'd done it, but not wanting to do it again for at least a few months.
LSD definitely isn’t one of the most addictive drugs out there
LSD and psychedelics in general are the reverse of addictive for me; they're so intense and life changing that I'm psychologically exhausted after taking them and won't even consider taking some again before a while has passed. DMT or Aya even more so - I'm trembling in fear before taking it.
Yes that is my experience as well. Even after the best possible trips, I'm also left exhausted from the experience. I remember someone once compared it to running a marathon. It can be extremely rewarding, but not something you want to do every day.
Good points.
LSD itself isn't considered an addictive drug. In terms of dependence risk, it ranks below caffeine. There is also much less physical harm in using LSD via David Nutt. People might want to re-experience insights they had during trips and such. For recurring micro dosing the studies about risks aren't there yet. Without stigmata of society and without having to work and be sober 5/6 days out of 7 I might've written a different warning (just thought that if I think about acid, I also think about other psychedelics and stimulants).
It might be used in therapeutic settings (e.g. to reduce substance abuse of alcohol, as part of therapy with depression, etc.). Related the use of psilocybin (shrooms) is also continually discussed.
I am not a doctor. So I value input of people who have their own perspective and experience, like /u/cosecantphi.
I've seen that drug dependence and harm chart a lot, and I really think it is useful to show people who don't know much about drugs. Growing up with DARE and being told that all illegal drugs including weed will kill you and everyone around you, I was very surprised to see a chart similar to this one while I was in high school. It was what inspired me to begin dabbling. I was like, damn, caffeine is a worse drug for you than mushrooms? Holy shit.
Of course I immediately learned that DARE and pretty much all the adults in my life lied to me about weed. So I figured everything else they said was bullshit too. Most of it really was bullshit, but still I fucked up and got too complacent and wound up with a pretty bad opiate habit that derailed my life.
That is to say, drug education really needs a ton of work in the United States. Preaching pure abstinence is just a shitty idea, and so is prohibition.
Still thanks for your input :)
Just thought it might be nice to have a cautionary note, cause I know for some things e.g. TVTropes I can dive in for longer than I wanted. You are an expert for yourself and your decision to obviate seem rational.
great post! i wonder if we should consider having a drugs comm 🤔
just a small correction to your last point - tabs being sold as acid with 2C-B is pretty rare, because the dosing is in the tens of milligrams and it doesn't usually fit well on a standard blotter. you're much more likely to encounter an NBOMe like 25b or 25i, which can be VERY dangerous and have been known to cause fatality at doses as low as two tabs. testing your drugs is always a good idea, and on top of that remember: if there's a bitter or strong metallic taste to the tab, just spit it out.
in some countries, you can legally buy some LSD analogues online; 1P-LSD is a popular variant that is essentially the same thing as traditional acid. i'd personally trust this over street deals to be the right drug and proper dose, although there are scammers out there.
just a small correction to your last point - tabs being sold as acid with 2C-B is pretty rare
Agreed. I was mistaken on that one. Stuff can be laced but acid on blotters isn't 2C-B laced as it wouldn't be enough to have effect.
you’re much more likely to encounter an NBOMe like 25b or 25i
Agreed. Though I wanted to highlight that even if you are correctly sold acid, sometimes it is laced with acid + another substance (see link). But what you write is important. In terms of taking acid, the usual way is to take the paper cutout you have and put it under your tongue for a quarter of an hour or so, some swallow it (but the set in is a bit reduced then). Some put it into a glass of water and drink (but not so common for acid, more common with crystalline MDMA).
1P-LSD is a popular
Is close, but not quite LSD. Can be safer than street LSD, esp. since most of the 1p on the European market seems to come from a few number of production facilities, so the quality and content are pretty similar (mostly reaction waste seems to differ in quantity). However I am not an expert.
Is close, but not quite LSD.
I've had about 10 different trips on both and I have yet been able to distinguish the difference. Chemically, there obviously is one, but practically there really isn't.
25b or 25i, which can be VERY dangerous and have been known to cause fatality at doses as low as two tabs
Thank you. As someone who has permanent affects from NBOMe and NBOMe mixed with Molly - please avoid this God damn chem at all costs
I took 25i-nbome and MDMA together like an idiot, and got serotonin syndrome. Didn't go to the hospital, but should have.
I'm doing better now, thanks. Just some memory problems and depression
Psychedelics are great if used responsibly. I believe they've helped me form my worldview, improved my relationship with my self, and taught me to appreciate the real and meaningful parts of life over the bullshit. They've also helped me not take the trivial parts of life too seriously.
Some advice. Don't mess with heroic doses, especially not if you're not extremely experienced with them. If you have (or suspect you have) a mental disorder like schizophrenia, for the love of god do not take these drugs, they will cause a psychotic break that could take years to recover from. Make sure you have your day planned out and you won't have any unwanted interruptions. Don't drive a fucking car. I can't stress enough how you should make sure you're in a mental state of relative peace before tripping. If there's something bothering you taking acid will not help you escape from it for a few hours. If something is on your mind you will dwell on it during your trip. Sometimes that can help you work through issues, but it can be pretty painful. I have had intensely therapeutic moments on acid where I realize something about my life I've been doing wrong but I usually have to let them bubble up to the surface of a calm mind. You have to put a lot of faith in yourself that you're going to be able to deal with some of the ideas that present themselves during a trip. I recommend meditating before your trip.
The other thing is that you'll probably get to a point where you've learned just about everything you're going to from them. That's when it's time to stop or 'graduate'. I don't really do them anymore outside of an occasional concert experience which is really more about recreation than mind expansion. The world of psychedelic experience is a place you visit, learn things, and bring them back with you to reality. It's a not place to stay.
Definitely second the bit about LSD dosing not being a linear scale. For example taking four tabs will be much more than double the subjective effects of two tabs. Back in 2017 I thought I had been around the block a few times with LSD, I had done varying doses in the 100 to 250 microgram range at least ten times. One day I was looking for a little excitement, and I decided to take 5 tabs at once, estimated to be around 500ug total. Now, I had experienced 250ug, how much more of an experience could half a milligram be? I had been very comfortable moving from 100ug to 200ug previously after all.
I want to stress that the following experience is probably in the worst case scenario range for LSD (not involving death or serious injury, though). And it was not typical of my usual trips. Proper research, smart dosing, and good set and setting should make the following type of experience very unlikely. I was being a fool that day.
Well, I was certainly not prepared. I took it around lunch time and the first thing I noticed was the come up was coming up much faster. Nothing I couldn't handle, though. So I fixed myself some lunch as the walls began to breathe and the colors began to shift. At that point I started to get very euphoric, feeling I had made a good choice. I finished up making some pasta in a simple alfredo sauce, ate and washed the dishes. Nothing too out of the ordinary yet.
At that point I went to use the restroom, and my memory gets hazy around then. The next thing I can remember was my dad screaming at me through the bathroom door, and me sitting on the floor. I don't know how much time elapsed in the blank period, but it must've been at least an hour. I started to panic because my dad then started shouting "are you on drugs?" through the door. I obviously did not want my dad to know I was on LSD, especially not in the middle of my recovery from opioid addiction. I think all I could yell in response was no, I couldn't really form coherent sentences at that point.
The next thing I remember is someone trying to knock the bathroom door down. My dad had called 911 and paramedics were dragging me against my will into an ambulance. Shit takes a turn for the worse there as I get stuck in a time loop switching between an eternity of infinite pain and a brief moment of infinite bliss followed again by an eternity of infinite pain. This from my perspective lasted an extremely long amount of time, though I estimate it was about an hour to two hours of real time.
I lose another indeterminate amount of time again, and am in a hospital bed being poked and prodded at by nurses. I had no idea I was in a hospital, and I had no idea if any of what was happening was real. I remember desperately asking where I was and why they were doing this to me, but never received an answer. I guess around then they gave me some sedatives because I fell asleep, something that I didn't think was possible on LSD.
I woke up mostly sober and humiliated. I went home, and they did not give me my t-shirt back. I liked that t-shirt.
i had an 840ug trip that ended in a car crash and a trip to the hospital, so I can relate
I can't even imagine going through something like that. Psychedelics really have a way of magnifying emotions and states of mind. Especially trauma.
That sounds horrifying to go through, I'm sorry that happened to you. Just curious, did you develop HPPD after that trip? I've noticed that people seem to get it after they have high-dose traumatic experiences.
Fortunately I did not have any real lasting trauma afterwards. The worst thing was that for the next couple days my jaw muscles spasmed and cramped up extremely painfully. Like so badly I feared I would tear a muscle or ligament. Though that thankfully subsided and went away.
Definitely second the bit about LSD dosing not being a linear scale
Thanks for your experience. It underlines that trips can be different and that the scales around and above one tab are a very different kind of thing than the ones around and below 1/2 or 2/3 of a tab (so 50 to 75 mikro). Relating it to alcohol, some would say what I recommend are like a portion of tiramisu, or two glass of wine, while the other thing is having a bottle of vodka on your own. Very different bodily and mental experiences. Though acid is very different from alcohol.
I have ptsd, panic attacks and what I’m sure would be diagnosed as schizophrenia/psychosis from 1 bad trip.
I strongly recommend against the use of psychedelics, but if you do stick to LOW DOSES :meow-coffee:
Thanks for your post! It is good to underline that people differ (even though all of us suffer from capitalist exploitation).
Regarding drug checks: in the US you can order a testing kit from an outfit called Bunk Police (or at least, you could about 5 years ago), which will allow you to test for various nasty drugs all at once.
5 years ago, i found bunk police to be a bit pricy. I guess the bunk police stuff has the advantage of being a ready to use field test with easyly understood instructions and a printed id chart for the reactions . That's convenient. But a lot of comrades here really have to budget, so i'd like to mention that you can probably save a few bucks when you compare prices for the reagents, which are very simple to produce chemicals that can often be found cheap in large amounts (or that you can DIY if you're a hobby chemist).
Ehrlich reagent is the one you'd want for LSD. It actually doesn't detect LSD specifically, it detects if there's an indole alkaloid in the sample and LSD is an indole. I'f there's LSD on your blotter, the reagent will turn purple when you drop it on your sample (this destroys the sample, so don't use a whole hit for this, you won't need it). This is a very pronounced reaction, you're not gonna miss it. So if somebody sells you 25-I-NBOMe instead of acid, an Ehrlich test wil likely produce no reaction at all. Same for DOI and other psychedelic amphetamines. With a bit of experience, you even notice differences between different LSD blotters, depending on how potent they are. Like, we once had this really fresh sheet from a Dutch source, very potent hits, strong 200 mic stuff, and the reaction was much deeper, more vibrant and set on a lot quicker than with more "average" blotter. Note that Ehrlich cannot distinguish between LSD and close analogs of LSD, such as 1P-LSD. We once had confirmed ALD-52, so we could compare regular acid and this interesting RC side by side. Both have the exact same reaction.
Speaking of 25-x-NBOMe compounds and DOx compounds, there are tests for these as well. You can use Marquis reagent for them. This is also useful for testing MDMA, amphetamine, or meth, and a bunch of other stuff, so i highly recommend having some of the stuff around the house if you want to dabble in recreational chemistry. When you drop Marquis reagent on a sample that contains a halogenated phenethylamine, such as 2C-B, 2C-C, DOI, 25-I-NBOMe etc., it turns green. The iodinated compounds like 25-I-NBOMe, DOI or 2C-I produce a grass green reaction, the brominated ones like 25B-NBOMe, 2C-B, DOB, these are more bluish-turquois. Chlorinated ones like 2C-C have a slight yellowish tinge iirc, it's been a while.
Props for posting all this info on harm reduction.
In that spirit, I respectfully request that you include a disclaimer about how potentially dangerous the 2c and NBOMe families are before someone here decides they want to candy flip with NBOMe and MDMA, thinking it might be like candy flipping with acid and MDMA. Unlike LSD and psilocin, these research psychedelics have a very low LD50 and can very easily kill people, especially if combined with other psychedelics or amphetamines.
TO ANYBODY READING THIS: NBOME IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. PLEASE AVOID IT. IF YOU DO TAKE IT, DO NOT MIX WITH OTHER DRUGS. TEST YOUR DRUGS
Thanks for pointing this out, it's always good to adress this. The NBOMEs in particular always seemed sketchy to me. Of course, nobody should just go and try a drug because some internet rando told them, but these are compounds where i always thought they're not worth it when there's so many drugs with really simmilar effects that are a lot safer. It's been mentioned itt already that even normal doses of stuff like 25I-NBOMe can and have killed people, but it doesn't hurt to repeat it. The NBOMe substance group has been shown to cause seizures, rhabdomyolysis and a bunch of other nasty shit, and it seems to either be very unpredictable and variable from person to person or problems with dosing are really common, both of which wouldn't surprise me at all with this stuff.
I should also add that the DOx compounds are problematic as well because large doses last for fucking ever. Like, a heavy trip on DOI can last over a day or two, easily three days with large doses. Most people absolutely aren't up for that. I'm definitely not. These substances also take very long to kick in, sometimes 3 hours or so, which has always caused people to take another dose because they were not feeling it - this is a classic mistake. Please don't make the classic mistakes. I love all of you comrades and i don't want anybody here to fuck themselves over like that.
I personally don't mind the "regular" 2Cs, like 2C-B, 2C-D, 2C-C, 2C-E and so on, but there's been fatal ODs on 2C-E. Very large amounts that you normally wouldn't take, but still something that wouldn't even be possible with any amount of LSD you can realistically get your hands on. Even the normal 2Cs require an accurate mg scale to measure out. NEVER EVER go and eyeball potent RCs. Many people are used to street stuff that's cut to shit, or to pharmaceuticals where you have your set, pre-packaged dose, and then they come across highly potent, very pure drugs in loose powder form and have to find out the hard way what "steep dose-response curve" means. 20mg of powder (a normal, strong dose for 2C-E or 2C-B) is a tiny amount of powder. 10mg (a low dose of both) or 40mg (a very strong dose that'll dissolve everything into a fractal mess) will NOT look visibly different from 20mg. Dosing accurately could be a whole thread of its own, but let's just say that if you have no experience with this stuff, do not buy anything active in microgram or single digit miligram amounts if you have to measure it out yourself. If it's in double digit mg ranges and you work dilligently, you can do fine with a jeweller's scale for 50 bucks or so. You absolutely need that if you want to weigh out RCs.
Listen to this comrade.
They know what they are talking about.
Agreed on the 2c compounds. Far less likely than NBOMe to induce serious damage or death. But as you said an accurate mg scale is still 100% necessary because high doses which are under the LD50 can still be damaging.
That said - there is not enough research to know what the long term affects of 2c-x are because it is a schedule 1 substance. Same with NBOMe and DOx.
If I knew then what I know now, I would not have taken any phenethylamines whatsoever.
Yeah, the lack of information is a problem with most RCs. I do not really bother with them anymore, i'm kinda through my labrat phase and stick to drugs where i know i can handle them well. If it's something that's an analog of an already side-effect heavy drug, i avoid it nowadays. Like, i really, really enjoyed 6-APB, but i don't think an MDA analog that lasts for 12 hours is something i should do to my brain again. There's also 2Cs i never wanted to fuck around with, but these are so obscure i have never come across most of them anyway. 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 are strong MAO inhibitors, for example. That can become super dangerous if you take any other drugs, can have strong interactions with medication and can even cause serious problems with a lot of food and drinks. Why would i want that when there's half a dozen 2Cs that don't have that problem? Or why would i want to take something like 2C-IP, which seems to be just as hard to dose as 2C-P, but more boring, and lasting even longer?
Hey, thanks for this! Your comment jogged my memory; the kit definitely did come with Ehrlich and Marquis reagents (and no other ones, if I recall correctly), so you're absolutely right that it can be done more cheaply. It did also come with a nice chart that showed what color from the Marquis reagent corresponded with which substance, as you said. (Mine turned out to be bath salts :sadness: --but I did get my hands on some legit acid later on, so it worked out in the end.)
Mine turned out to be bath salts
Ugh, that's nasty. ofc it shows why it's a good idea to buy a test kit. Better to find out that way than when you've already taken the stuff. Even if it turns out to be another drug you'd actually want to take, it's better to know in advance. Friend of mine once bought a pill, and it turned out to be 2C-B when we tested it. I'm fine with 2C-B, and it's rare enough around here that we actually went back to the dealer and got a few more pills after telling him it was 2C-B (he didn't know himself and told all his customers what it was afterwards). So because we tested it, we knew to get more and we knew in which setting to take it - it's kinda shitty when you drop a pill expecting MDMA and then the walls burst into fractals out of nowhere. When they're not expecting that, people freak out and that sours a trip that could normally be fun.
Great post. The first time I somehow did not know that it took sooooo long. It was crazy, but also really great
Pretty solid and informative post. I'd echo your sentiment about sticking with lower doses to get a feel for the psychedelic headspace. Too many people will hear someone like McKenna talk about heroic doses and think they have to do the same thing in order to get something from the psychedelic experience. It's not really necessary though, at least in my experience.
As for storing acid - it seems like dry and dark are the main factors. A while back I ate some Bernie blotter (some of you might remember these going around) that was at least 5 years old and still very strong. It had been exposed to warm weather during the summer but it was kept away from UV exposure and moisture; I think that's why it maintained its potency for so long.
After I had a terrible experience on my second round of LSD, I established these rules. With them, I have had numerous experiences with acid and other psychs and have yet to have another challenging trip.
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Start your trip early on a weekend or another day where you have no responsibilities. Enable do-not-disturb or just turn off your phone so you won't get wired off of a weird text or something. I usually start at 7-8 AM as long as it's light out. Trips can last as long or longer than 12 hours so I like to have a few hours of sobriety before going to bed. Starting early will also help you fall asleep much easier. You do not want to attempt falling asleep while you are still wired, you (a) won't be able to unless you have xanax (more on this below) and (b) it'll just really annoy you esp. if something's on your mind.
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Trip outside (at a park or on a hike/trail nearby). Obviously more useful for those of us that live away from urban areas, but I can't stress the "outside" bit enough (slight detour - there is nothing better than putting your bare feet into a river/creek while tripping. Incredible experience). More often than not I've found that staying indoors for a long period of time leads to increased paranoia ("the walls are closing in"). Whereas being outside, you are surrounded by nature, being warmed by the sun, etc. It's great. This is a reason why the vast majority of my trips take place in between April and September and I typically only follow through on the plan if the weather is nice. The last time I tripped indoors my trip buddy and I looked at each other at about 1.5 hours in when everything was getting going and we immediately decided to bolt outside. Way easier to breathe imo.
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Music has a bigger impact on the mood/mind than almost anything else while on LSD. I strongly recommend to build a 8-12 hour trip playlist full of either music you like, improvisational music like the Grateful Dead (these guys literally spent their 30 year career playing acid-based music), anything that's relaxing. Typically, your death metal, punk, angry type music will make you have a bad time! The most important thing is to create your trip in a way that it actually helps you keep the good vibes going.
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Trip with people you trust. Ideally, I don't think it's a great idea to do LSD on your own. I usually do it with my two closest friends - friends who wouldn't judge me or embarrass me if I did or said something stupid during the trip. Above all else, you should only trip with people who you'd be comfortable telling really personal stories to. Trip sitters are a great idea, but they aren't completely necessary - especially if you're tripping with people that already have experience. But if you think you'll want to go somewhere (do not drive on acid), it's nice to have someone who can shuttle you around if you want to change your environment.
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Speaking of changing your environment - this is the number 1 solution to mid-trip bad vibes. If you aren't enjoying it, go somewhere else. A new environment/surround will usually clear things up.
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Wait at least two hours before adding to your dose. Remember that you can always take more but you can never take less. Know exactly when you dropped so you know when it actually effects you. I can't tell you how many times I've heard horror stories of people re-dosing after 45 minutes because they don't feel anything and then they have to deal with the consequences of taking a heroic dose. My advice as someone who has tripped a bunch: you never really need more than 1 or 2 tabs if the acid is legit. The redditlordegodeathists will talk about how amazing their miraculous trips were, but getting there is mentally, physically and emotionally taxing. You can get all the benefits from LSD with a moderate dose.
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Have an exit strategy (optional). Lots of people don't know that xanax/benzos can basically end a trip. It's never come to this for me/my friends, but if someone's having a really bad time these can and will pull you right out. A corollary to this is to BE CAREFUL FUCKING WITH WEED ON LSD. Lots of people (regular smokers) think a joint/bong rip is a great idea from the comedown. BE WARNED: it basically reinvigorates the trip and your visuals. Personally, mixing weed with LSD has only led to crazy amounts of paranoia. It wires the hell out of me and I'm a daily smoker. Be very very very careful.
Anyways that's it. I've got 20+ trips in my back pocket on LSD proper, 1P, and ALAD. If you have any questions I'm all ears. Please do drugs responsibly and if you follow these rules you will never have a bad trip.
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