:geordi-no: Daily dem soc struggle sessions

:geordi-yes: Talking about my undying affection of Tasha Yar and Kira

  • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Posadism gang here to remind you we are 3 years away from The Bell Riots, 32 years away from thermonuclear holocaust, and 43 years away from first contact.

    :rommunism:

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Most of the senior staff were bigoted against Ferengi in ways that would make us balk if it was directed at any other people.

      • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Ferengi were shitty in the way that we balk at so hard we joined a message board against it.

  • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    If I'm not allowed to horny post about Tasha Yar and the [REDACTED] then what's the point?

  • kristina [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    i hate tasha yar as a character and she, rightly, was written off and that was good

    cw:

    spoiler

    i hate her because her entire character is about muh rape gangs while being an absolutely terrible portrayal of ptsd and being a survivor. the fact that a planet of humans even exists with rape gangs when a veritable human paradise is on the border is absolutely ridiculous. such a society would have already cannibalized itself into nothingness from refugees leaving to the federation

  • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    My favorite episode is the one with the sentient minerals and the one with the sentient robot vacuum cleaners

  • Azarova [they/them]
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    4 years ago
    possibly Tsar Bomba level take (and DS9 spoilers)

    I liked Ezri a lot more than Jadzia because I saw Dax as a sort of (unintentional) trans allegory and I could relate a lot more to Ezri's struggle with being unsure of herself and her journey with finding a place for herself in the world post-joining.

    • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      ezri doesnt deserve much guff but the out of universe circumstances piss me off intensely

      jadzia's actor literally got fired for wanting an equal wage as the men its such bullshit

      • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Oh it's wayyyy worse than wages. Rick Berman, the producer of the franchise after Gene Roddenberry died was a serial sexual harraser and especially towards Terry Farrell who played Jadzia. I actually never heard anything about wages,.

        • bark [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          It was wages too.

          They jerked the actors around a lot. Wil Wheaton left because he had a chance to do a role in a big movie (this was when he was still kind of up and coming) and they told him no on the grounds that he would be needed for an important role in an episode. Not true.

          Mulgrew hated working with Jeri Ryan (first female captain increasingly sidelined for T&A)

          Refused to let them do anything too challenging. In the episode where Riker falls in love with a genderless alien (and the alien ends up expressing as a female and gets harsh treatment for it) Frakes thought it should be played by a man and he was totally down to do the first same sex kiss. Berman didn't like that.

          He had no problem when Dax kissed another woman years later though.

        • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          oh yeah berman was a monster in a lot of ways but i think the specifics of farrells firing was over compensation. not absolutely sure about that tho.

          also pissed he made 7 of 9 wear that outfit & corset, made kira wear that shit... etc. etc. just a bad fucking guy

          edit: maybe she wasnt fired & quit cuz they refused to do equality?

          • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            The DS9 documentary and several interviews with Ferrel and other cast members from conventions and stuff confirm it was Rick's treatment of her. He also tried to play hard ball and said things like without the show she'd be working at K-Mart when her contract negotiations were coming up. She asked to go from main cast to recurring character and appear in 6-10 episodes per season cause she couldn't be around Burman but liked everything else. He said she had to be all in or nothing so she walked. This may have been 'officially' over money according to Paramount/CBS but I really don't think that was any real part of it.

                • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  :sabo:

                  they really dont lmao, i would expect some kinda solidarity with the coworkers tho (not like most the cast didnt have beef with berman geez)

                  • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    From what I've heard the showrunner for DS9 )who overall seems like a very stand up dude and even did a self Crit section for the the DS9 doc he made a couple years back) wasn't aware until after the show had ended. He mostly worked with the writers and wasn't involved with things on set as much, but he was clearly upset at himself for letting it happen under his watch regardless. Also unfortunately he worked for the network, not for the show. Unless a Paramount CEO fired him there's not much that could be done and Rick Berman was making them a lot of money at the time. If it wasn't DS9 while it was first airing then fan pressure may have worked but star trek fans at the time hated DS9, a lot were gross sexist nerds themselves too. They even had Micheal Pillar right there who could just take over for Berman but corporation yay

                    • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                      4 years ago

                      i don't know what to think of hollywood unions; on the one hand cool shit like the writers guild strike, hilariously long grudges like the one against Elia Kazan

                      but on the other hand support for Roman Polanski, horrific records against sexual harrasment... land of contrasts

                      • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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                        4 years ago

                        They also make it hard where you need to be in a movie to be in SAG but to be hired for a movie you often also need to be in SAG

                        • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                          4 years ago

                          i mean closed shops are cool and cooler still considering they're technically illegal; prolly sucks for the people trying to get in if they can't tho i guess

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            edit: maybe she wasnt fired & quit cuz they refused to do equality?

            Unfortunately, in most employment relationships there's very little functional difference between quitting and being forced out.

      • Azarova [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah, I found that out after I finished DS9 and was horrified. From the few behind the scenes stuff I've seen about that era of trek it seems that the working conditions were abyssmal. Especially for the captains. I vaguely remember Kate Mulgrew talking about how playing Janeway for 7 years severely affected her home life.

        • bark [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah that's what happens when you work for assholes. Berman was a massive asshole.

        • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Kate Mulgrew had a very young child at the time. Shatner uses that in an interview with her to make the point that women shouldn't have jobs. Stand up guy.

    • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I like Ezri cause Nicole DeBoer and I have the same birthday and she was in Kids in the Hall a couple times

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    The Prime Directive has a lot of good things to add to U.S. foreign policy. Just the recognition that even well-intentioned interventions usually fuck things up would be a huge step forward.

    • fed [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      of all the opinions that certainly is one

      :side-eye-1:

      :side-eye-2:

        • fed [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          i haven't watched picard nor do I really care about the movies, they are sci-fi shlock. But his character in the series is great, the final scene still gets me in tears if i watch it ngl

          • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            This is the correct opinion of Jean Luc Picard. Don't let bad creative decisions ruin a good character

            • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              To preserve the character you have to consider the movies and the Picard series non-canon. It's the only way. (Also some of the more iffy TNG episodes)

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Also, Archer is the most ideal and ethical star fleet captain that all other captains should aspire to.

          He took his dog with him on an away mission to meet with a species notoriously prickly about etiquette. He then let his dog pee on a sacred tree and refused to apologize.

          Not only that, the aliens were the only suppliers of a doohicky that the ship needed to go to warp, so he risked getting his crew stranded over his dog.

        • Orcocracy [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Archer was an interesting character, but I wouldn't call him ideal or at all ethical. His character got stuck waaaaaaay too deep into the post-9/11 war on terror thing in season 3. He, uh.... he tortured some folks. I'm not sure if him feeling bad about it afterwards makes that ok.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            I’m not sure if him feeling bad about it afterwards makes that ok.

            Yeah that's classic "we butchered millions in Vietnam but it made our boys sad so let's call it even" bullshit.

        • Moonrise [comrade/them,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Remember that time he spaceborded a dude? Remeber all the times he didn’t listen to T’Pol when she was obviously right? Remember all the shouting?

          Doing the breast he can my ass.

    • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      I upbeared your post for the emojis, then removed it because DS9 isn't on your list.

          • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            So… I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover up the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But most damning of all… I think I can live with it… And if I had to do it all over again… I would. Garak was right about one thing – a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it…Because I can live with it…I can live with it.

            :party-sicko:

        • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Oh shit sry you said "series:" then listed captains and it tripped me up I'm a notorious skimmer

          I think I'm finally too blitzed to be flexing in here time to go :sicko-spin:

  • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    The Dominion War was started by the Alpha Quadrant and The Dominion was actually very patient with the constant arrogant incursions on their territory for quite a long time.

    • bark [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Alternative to mining the wormhole was for them to keep building up troops to the point where the Federation would have lost.

      DS9 is so damn good.

      • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        The Federation mined the wormhole not the Dominion. It's also pretty funny that Grand Magus Zek kinda set the whole war in motion.

        Edit: also the federation is still fucked. Do you really think the Dominion isn't scheming hard to deal with the only organization that has ever almost genocided them? They think long term. What I'm saying is the Dominion caused The Burn

        • bark [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah because the dominion was doing a massive military buildup via the wormhole.

          • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            I got mixed up. The Dominion fleets wouldn't need to have built up of the Alpha quadrant could have just stayed out of the gamma quadrant or maybe considered it doesn't bong to them

            • bark [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Didnt' they have a ton of border skimishes and the dominion being hyper aggressive even when the federation tried to respect borders?

              Federation doesn't know the meaning of the words "go away"

              • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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                4 years ago

                The federation spent two seasons setting up colonies and mining and shit in the gamma quadrant as well as the Ferengi business ventures in the area. I kind of assume the wormhole opens up into the outskirts of Dominion territory because it just works best. They sent that one psychic powered Cotta to tell the feds to fuck off and they didn't.

                Edit to fix my quadrant, said Delta instead of gamma cause I'm watching Voyager right now

    • kristina [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      the maquis are booj. legit settled a border zone for like 20-30 years and are now willing to kill people over it when they could just move to one of the hundreds of other planets in the federation or just go back to earth, which is again, a paradise

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        The presence of an effectively infinite amount of good land and the ability to create a high standard of living anywhere changes a lot about territorial disputes.

        • kristina [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          yep. the fact that theyre willing to kill and die and potentially start a quadrant spanning total war over it which will drag in trillions of people, they are selfish people and i hope they die (and they did! _)

        • kristina [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          honestly id like an exploration of what the seedy element to star trek earth society might look like. we never really get a huge dive into civilian life in star trek

          • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Picard sorta tried that and it was awful. They just kinda decided capitalism never actually went away and also drug addiction is still common and everyone is an asshole.

    • cilantrofellow [any]
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      4 years ago

      The Maquis are a section 31 funded terrorist group eager to destroy the Cardassian socialist experiment and let human imperialist tendencies reach their apex.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      i will never forgive janeway for killing my man tuvix

          • MichoganGayFrog [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            For fucking real. The entire premise of the show is anchored over her being a terrible captain. They could just set a timebomb at The Caretaker's array and then used it to go home before it explodes. It's not like they chilled in orbit to keep the Ocampa safe anyway, they just abandoned them and stranded themselves.