• Nacktmull@lemm.ee
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        11 months ago

        In ww2 the Russians did most of he dirty work anyway. When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost.

        • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost.

          While I agree that that it was the Soviet and Chinese people that absorbed the greatest part of the Axis' powers warmaking ability (which western historians are apt to ignore), it's not true that the Axis had already lost the war by 1941. It's accurate to say that the US joined the war at a moment when the Axis forces had hopelessly overstretched themselves.

          • zephyreks [none/use name]
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            11 months ago

            By the winter of 1941, Barbarossa had failed. By the time the Western Front was opened in 1944, Army Group South had collapsed, Army Group North was failing, and Army Group Center was in the process of being encircled. Germany had lost, it was just a question of when. In the meantime, the entire North African campaign cost the Germans less resources than the Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive.

            Friendly reminder that prior to Pearl Harbour, the US was sponsoring Japan's war crimes in China. The US made up the bulk of Japan's iron, copper, oil, steel, and wheat supply... Essentials for industrializing and waging war. Even with this massive economic power backing them, Japan had been fought to a standstill by 1940. By 1944, the Nationalists were more concerned with containing the Communists than they were with containing the Japanese.

            In the case of both Germany and Japan, powerhouses at the peak of their power were ground down to a stalemate against a rapidly industrializing nation.

              • immuredanchorite [he/him, any]
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                11 months ago

                definitely aimed at you, but also edifying for anyone who might think the USA was solidly on the side of good during the war. The US entered the war in 41, but they refused Stalin's repeated requests to open a second front against Germany. They went to north africa first and then italy, waiting until the German eastern front had nearly collapsed before landing in Normandy. The US was essentially racing against the red army, trying to prevent the soviet union from liberating the entirety of europe under the banner of liberation for humankind. Once the US reached Germany and peace began, the US almost immediately formed NATO and appointed Nazi war criminals into its upper ranks while putting nazi war ciminals in charge of west germany. The yankee government is bad and always has been. throughout all of its history it only has made good choices when it has been dragged kicking and screaming.

                • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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                  11 months ago

                  The US entered the war in 41

                  two fucking years late because they were too cozy with the nazis

                  • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                    11 months ago

                    -Historical illiteracy coupled with utter smugness

                    -Ego too fragile to stand being corrected

                    -Weird homophobia and sexual projection in response to feeling challenged

                    -"Your own kind"

                    Yup, it's liberal time

                        • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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                          11 months ago

                          If I was a tankie I'd hate being called a tankie, too. Grifting becomes difficult if people actually have a word to describe your grifting, no?

                          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                            11 months ago

                            The "tankies" were right about Hungary and they are right now too, Bidenist trash.

                            • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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                              11 months ago

                              Yeah, that's your ideology, tankie... repressing the working class "for their own good." There's no need to explain it to me - I already know.

                              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                                11 months ago

                                Which people, the holocaust collaborators doing pogroms in Hungary? Why would you identify with them?thinkin-lenin

                                • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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                                  11 months ago

                                  Oh look... the tankies are starting to talk in pictures again because all the copium robs them of the ability to form coherent sentences.

                                  You do remember why we call you tankies, right? Hungary?

                          • DoiDoi [comrade/them, he/him]
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                            11 months ago

                            No one here gives a shit about being called a tankie lmao it looks exactly as goofy as when conservatives call everything they don't like "woke"

                          • tripartitegraph [comrade/them]
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                            11 months ago

                            I don't hate being called it, I just think you're a lazy anti-intellectual. Also funny you think we're "grifting". Do you honestly think we get paid for this? Someone believes something different from you and the only explanation is we're getting xibucks deposited into our bank account? Get your head out of your ass man.

                  • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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                    11 months ago

                    Sorry that the Soviets prevented the West from putting as many Nazis in charge of Germany as you would have wanted.

                  • nohaybanda [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    Lol. Get shat on, imperialist.

                    Our own kind is the workers of the world, the voiceless and the oppressed. And together we are strong.

                    left-unity-3

                    • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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                      11 months ago

                      With whom are you "together," tankie? The workers that have been rejecting you since Kronstadt?

                        • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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                          11 months ago

                          What's the matter? Snorting copium because all the anti-colonialist movements in the 3rd world only paid lip service to your garbage ideology?

                          • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                            11 months ago

                            You're making zero sense here.

                            Kinda sounds like you want the people to lose just so you can keep going "tankies bad" and score imaginery internet points.

                  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    The Reds beat the Nazis and liberals will never forgive them for it

                        • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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                          11 months ago

                          At this point, I'm amazed at any tankie that can even spell liberal... despite my low expectations, you still manage to mostly disappoint, though.

                          • bazingabrain [comrade/them]
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                            11 months ago

                            dude youre like a GTAV parody of a smug liberal twat, how can you be this painfully oblivious to your own assholery lol

                      • BeamBrain [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        "Anyone that doesn't worship Stalin must be a liberal!"

                        yes-comm

                      • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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                        11 months ago

                        Stalin is our Father! Stalin was a hero of the working class so powerful liberals rage at the mention to this day! To allow his work to be tainted for no reason other than lack of knowledge would be an end to marxism.

        • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id
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          11 months ago

          Typical oversimplified tripe. Soviet bodies played a huge role, but US and British mechanized force projection, naval power and industrial capacity were at least as important.

          It's also just bullshit that the Axis had already lost. That's the worst kind of historical revisionism. It might be obvious to us looking back, but it wasn't even remotely obvious to anyone alive then.

      • uralsolo
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        11 months ago

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  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    What's particularly notable is that US vetoed the resolution that Russia put out on the basis that it did not condemn Hamas. However, US also vetoed subsequent resolution by Brazil that did condemn Hamas without giving a coherent explanation for the second veto. The only conclusion that can be reasonably drawn here is that US regime wants people to suffer and die. US is intentionally enabling a genocide in Gaza against the will of the rest of the world.

    To sum up, fuck the US regime.

    • Redcuban1959 [any]
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      11 months ago

      without giving a coherent explanation for the second veto

      They said that they vetoed because "Brazil didn't say that Israel has a right of self-defense".

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        That's not a coherent explanation given that the purpose of the resolution is to have a ceasefire as in both sides ceasing hostilities.

        • CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml
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          11 months ago

          It doesn't even make any sense period. States are the ones that delineate "rights." A sovereign state would never need to affirm its "rights" or have them affirmed, unless their sovereignty was conditional.

          So, all of this is a show the international (imperial) community plays to endorse the genocide. The US gives the occupier of Palestine the "right" to defend itself from blowback and demands support from its other vassals and victims to solidify the sovereignty of an illegitimate project through their recognition as legitimate players. Yet this seemingly challenges the sovereignty of the project, almost as if it is just a US colony in need of permission....

          The US would never - maybe not even rhetorically - rely on rights granted to it by the international community to assert its imperial sovereignty. The society of states is such a fucking joke.

      • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id
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        11 months ago

        I mean, that's part of the given justification for the veto, but it doesn't take a PhD in international relations to figure out that the real reason is obviously that both the US and Israel --and a number of other relevant players-- are currently knee-deep in operations and negotiations and that a cease fire, by changing the dynamic on the ground, would seriously screw those efforts.

        My guess is that Israel has a plan that it wants to execute before implementing any cease-fire, and that the US is on-board with it for now.

        Unlike most social media users, I don't feel like I know enough to take a position on whether this veto is morally justifiable or not. On its face it seems kind of lame, but I can easily think of reasons why it might actually be entirely justified. We will see.

        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          My guess is that Israel has a plan that it wants to execute before implementing any cease-fire, and that the US is on-board with it for now.

          Yeah, it's called "genocide"

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Whatever that is on paper, in reality it represents the overthrow of the UN

      • trashxeos@lemmygrad.ml
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        11 months ago

        That was one I didn't know about before. Someone in the UN, please make this happen. Maybe if China brought it to the general assembly.