im crying laughing, they cant possibly believe this misinfo will work
stop hating the dprk. hate the imperialist genocide that created it and forced it to be the way it is
Better yet, stop hatind the dprk, because it is a based and good place.
bro thats like fuckin saying "stop hating the mop bucket shitter, hate the society that created him and forced him to shit in mop buckets."
like, i understand where you're coming from but atleast make a better point
stop hating the lib, hate the shitty leftist movement that created him and forced him to be a lib
stop hating the imperialist, hate the natives that shot at him once or twice and forced him to kill them all
You know, I sometimes think about the millions of innocent civilians including children that my country vaporized in Korea in the name of imperialism, a system that I benefit from by living in the West. Then I see white "leftists" , who also benefit from imperialism mocking the DPRK as paranoid or cloistered for no good reason. Every step of the way they are under attack and stupid crackers like you will blame them for taking the steps necessary to ensure Amerikkka can't destroy them from within.
i literally fucking hate both countries lmao
i also see a lot of "ally" leftists that support any fuckin country whether or not theyve looked at their policy on LGBT rights or even just analysed what those laws could mean and how theyd interact with the rights of queer people, but apparently i cant fuckin criticize them because they got their ass beat in a war they got forced into without their consent.
the injustice is never justified, wall all politicians.
apparently im gonna get my teeth kicked in because i dont want to live in a hermit state or an ancap shithole.
Hermit state
Damn that's crazy, they should just rejoin the rest of the world. I wonder why that hasn't happened already?
did you read a single part of the post i made except for hermit? i literally pointed out why theyre a hermit state. get the fuck out of the conversation if you cant read simple context clues.
You sound exactly like a chud, calm down before you shit and cum.
im wheezing, now im a chud because i dont like countries that dont support my rights
the politics understander has logged on
I said you sound like a chud. Get the fuck out of the conversation if you can't read simple context clues.
'sound like a chud' hints that you just might think im a chud
imagine arguing with someone that a place is good and dandy because they can be imprisoned for their sexuality there
In the new Penal Code of the Romanian People's Republic, the old Article 431 was toughened with penalties up to a minimum of 2 years and a maximum of 5 years.[59] In 1957 the "public scandal" provision was repealed and any consenting sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex is criminalized.
In 1961, same-sex sexual intercourse was criminalized in the Mongolian People's Republic.
The Provisional Military Government of Socialist Ethiopia and People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia adopted the previous Penal Code of 1957 of the Ethiopian Empire, which criminalizes anyone who "performs with another person of the same sex an act corresponding to the sexual act, or any other indecent act, is punishable with simple imprisonment."
The Hoxhaist regime in Albania penalized same-sex sexual intercourse with long prison terms, bullying and ostracism.
Same-sex sexual intercourse was always legal during the existence of the Republic of Poland and the Polish People's Republic. However, the government used homosexuality to blackmail homosexuals and the police harassed gay men and lesbians. Many homosexual men were arrested in 1985 in Operation Hyacinth.
Under Article 409 of the Somali Penal Code introduced in 1973, sexual intercourse with a person of the same sex is punishable by imprisonment from three months to three years in the Somali Democratic Republic. An "act of lust" other than sexual intercourse is punishable by a prison term of two months to two years. Under Article 410 of the Somali Penal Code, an additional security measure may accompany sentences for homosexual acts, usually coming in the form of police surveillance to prevent "re-offending".
LGBT rights have always been contested in socialist circles. Don't ignore something just because it doesn't fucking affect you.
Wtf does the Mongolian People's Republic in 1961 have to do with the DPRK?
I was literally referring to socialist countries in general.
Male same-sex anal intercourse remained illegal in the Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Socialist Republic of Macedonia and the Socialist Republic of Serbia
Since we're talking about random countries that do not exist anymore, did you know that while Turing was killing himself because of the chemical castration imposed of him by the Queen of England, in the German Democratic Republic you could get gender reassignment for free?
*government of england
And the suicide part is disputed
Edit: Both of these things are objective facts you downvoting liberal cowards
On paper, it was Regina vs Alan Turing. The queen, as the plantiff, could have stopped the lawsuit being done in her name any time.
That's because every criminal case is against the crown, it's how our legal system works, it's the equivalent of "the state" in yank law
Fuck, my court case was against her, and the bitch won
I've only been to England once but I find your legal system hilarious. As an American, it's like meeting a grandparent and thinking "ah, that's why parent is like that."
Oh wow, thats crazy, It's almost like I was pointing out that a large amount of socialist countries were historically fucking disgusting places to live in for people like me, but keep pushing the conversation away from that. Sure
Its not like phobia has been a major problem in the left for years, not at all. Just quietly pad your ears and wait for the gays to forget about it.
A large amount of countries were historically fucking disgusting places to live in for people like us. Why are you implying that it's somehow a feature of Marxist-Leninist states?
I asked you for a source on that you could go to prison for your sexuality in the DPRK today. You won't find one, because it's not true.
In 1933, Joseph Stalin added Article 121 to the entire Soviet Union criminal code, which made male homosexuality a crime punishable by up to five years in prison with hard labor. The precise reason for Article 121 is in some dispute among historians. The few official government statements made about the law tended to confuse homosexuality with pedophilia and was tied up with a belief that homosexuality was practiced only among fascists or the aristocracy. The law remained intact until after the dissolution of the Soviet Union; it was repealed in 1993.
In North Korea, LGBT rights are very limited and the subject of homosexuality remains taboo. While the government proclaims tolerance for gay people and has stated its belief that homosexuality is not a choice and rather due to genetic factors, it rejects the alleged "promiscuity and classism" of gay culture in the West.
Theres a law in the penal code which states that any act of promiscuity is outlawed, whether in person, in video, or any other media. This is an obvious veil to just imprison LGBT rights advocates, considering our entire sexuality is based in our right to fucking sex with the gender of our interest.
You copy-pasted the Wikipedia. The quote you copy-pasted is supposedly sourced from 'Lebron, Robyn E. (2012). Searching for Spiritual Unity...can There be Common Ground?: A Basic Internet Guide to Forty World Religions & Spiritual Practices. CrossBooks. pp. 557–558'. I spent a minute trying to track the book to see what it actually said, but I didn't find it. But going by the title it most likely had nothing to do with the DPRK. Wikipedia is full if outright fake citations, or in some cases quotes of fiction books, when it comes to the DPRK. It's not a reliable source.
On the other hand you can just go and read their penal code. It's not a secret. This is, I imagine, the law you're talking about:
CHAPTER 6 CRIMES OF IMPAIRING SOCIALIST CULTURE
Article 193 (Import, Keeping and Distribution of Decadent Culture)
A person who, without authorization, imports, makes, distributes or illegally keeps music, dance, drawings, photos, books, video recordings or electronic media that reflects decadent, carnal or foul contents shall be punished by short-term labour for less than two years. In cases where the person commits a grave offence, he or she shall be punished by reform through labour for less than five years.
In cases where such a person imports, keeps or distributes sexual video recordings, the punishment shall be reform through labour for more than five years and less than ten years.
There is nothing about 'in person' 'acts of promiscuity'.
I wonder what their take on something like Starship Troopers or WH40k would be. Like would they make allowances for satire?
So point me to where I said or even hinted that. Imagine having to make up shit to argue against because you cant handle getting called out for your dogshit grasp on history and imperialism.
i find it hard to believe the queer subforum is more accepting of this anachronistic bullshit
They're a "hermit state" because when they tried to join the IMF and other international organizations, America blocked them and tried to make the regime collapse by deliberately starving them all to death.
"a war that got their ass beat", considering the death and destruction that the US inflicted on civilians...anarkiddies are insufferable
i literally
what
i made the exact same point you're trying to make i literally do not understand why you're pissy with me
bro thats like fuckin saying “stop hating the mop bucket shitter, hate the society that created him and forced him to shit in mop buckets.”
:curious-marx::curious-marx::curious-marx::curious-marx::curious-marx::curious-marx:
nice talk, thank you. i will make better points next time
normally i hate the DPRK
because you believed other articles that were less fantastical but just as false as this one
On that topic, check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ibjolc/north_koreans_forced_to_give_up_pet_dogs_for/g1y7d2e?context=3
Whole thread is a pleasant surprise and so are some reposts I've seen today, but I was mostly trying to point out that one dude who is so deep in propaganda he can't even perceive it, like a fish unaware of the water it swims in.
Holy fuck I can't believe this story is gaining traction.
First off this story is almost certainly not true. Its published by Chosun Ilbo the premier conservative rag in South Korea, its only source is one anonymous defector, and its only being circulated in the West becuase it plays into a racist Asian stereotype. The right-wing South Korean press constantly prints these kinds of outlandish stories sourced to only one anonymous defector, and include such hits as: multiple reports of Kim Jong Un’s death, North Koreans are becoming zombies becuase of nuclear testing, everyone in North Korea is forced to have the same haircut, North Koreans are forced to believe Kim Jong Il invented the hamburger, North Korea executed their Olympic soccer team becuase they lost … and so on.
Most people in South Korea (except for their version of Fox News grandpas) knows this is bullshit and don’t consider Chosun Ilbo a legitimate news source. But invariably the Western press will repeat these stories verbatim and only source Chosun Ilbo.
If any of you want to know, North Korea has suffered heavy floods this year which have damaged crops. This is likley the origin of a months long campaign by Chosun Ilbo to portray the country as on the verge of another great famine (which I will add they do basically every year if there is heavy rain or a slight drought). However, looking at the actual prices in North Koreas semi-offical markets, food and fuel prices have not significantly risen for two years. This is largely due to the fact that China has completely opened its borders to North Korean trade due to deteriorating relations with the United States. Additionally, there is no indication that significant swaths of cropland have been destroyed, and any shortfalls can be compensate by imports from China. Therefore, unlike Chosun Ilbo claims, North Korea is unlikley to be facing famine this year, and the government has almost certainly not ordered the rounding up of pet dogs to be eaten. A moronic idea in any case as dog ownership in North Korea is very low as in most of east Asia.
Edit: and I'm just some idiot who has a passing interest in North Korea, and I get most my information form slightly more reputable English sources like NKNews or 38North. The UN and Chinese sources also constantly report on North Korea, and you can compare these with what North Korean news like KCNA and Rodong Sinmun report to get a fairly well rounded idea of whats happening in the country.
Do you know where I could find the Chosun Ilbo article that originated the "Kim Jong-il invented the hamburger" thing?
uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire
hate the bad guys for the right reasons. hate the other bad guys for being racist shitbags.
oh my fucking god the first tankie-favouring post i make and i get this comment god damnit
make up your fucking minds you libs
Isn't it the same for socialist governments too though.
Theres still a state department in both of them. It's two corporations advertising.
Both anarchos and tankies are shitter.
yeah, theyre equivalent because theyre states. states are inherently oppressive.
theres a state, if theres a state theres oppression. when there isnt a state there can be no state-operated oppression.
if they both fucking burn your hands then you shouldnt stick your hand in either of them, are you even thinking about the points you're making
"being shot in the face is pretty dangerous, id say, another thing that is dangerous is being dropped in a volcano. if i had to choose which one id die to."
That's the thing though. Online anarchists look at those types of things, conclude both are bad and stop their inquiry.
That's not scientific nor critical nor productive. It means you don't have to critically consider new information because you already know what the conclusion is.
It's idealist nonsense.
When there isn't a state it's not possible for there to be state-operated oppression.
shoot them
you can still own a fucking gun and use the leftover weaponry from the revolution
But are you shooting them, or is your friend shooting them? Who's shooting who, and where?
Imagine just handing over the reigns to our corporate overlords and assuming they won't take on the role of the state.
i was literally a fucking anarcho for years okay holy shit this community is braindead as fuck lmao
comrade posadas, never forget, the aliens are coming, and they demand to speak only to the dolphins.
Someone shared a link about the NASA-funded experiments with giving dolphins LSD and trying to get them to talk via handjobs the other day and suddenly Posadism makes a lot more sense.
calling out actual racism from a news source
"supporting monarchocommunism"
