For real, I really want to hear all the wacky and potentially true conspiracies Hexbear users have. It would be nice to have a conspiracy spot on the internet that isn't antisemitic as well.
if there were a conspiracy community I fear I would post in it too much and be labeled a crank. Trying to think of some of my favorites offhand: Two 9/11 hijackers lived with an FBI informant in San Diego; there was a CIA operative at Jonestown before the mass suicide; Charles Manson may have undergone an MK-Ultra procedure and learned from it; there was a pre-Dallas assassination plot in store for JFK in Chicago, with an ex-military patsy put in position; Clinton obfuscated the local and IRS investigations into Mena Airport as a drug-smuggling hub. Many more I'm on the fence about
I fear I would post in it too much and be labeled a crank.
I've been trying to get over this fear as well, because I now believe many things that I've laughed at other people for believing in the past. I really regret doing that because I realize I fell for the propaganda. Psy-ops work in part by making people afraid to speak their mind for fear of being labelled as cranks.
Imagine you are the government and you have committed a tremendous crime against democracy. You tried to cover it up as well as you can, but it's impossible to conceal everything because of the sheer scope of what you did. There exist many smoking guns out there which any dedicated investigator will be able to piece together, and you know that anyone who spends enough time listening to them will probably be convinced. What do you do? You run a PR campaign to convince people that only cranks would spend any time looking into that stuff, and you slander and smear anyone who dares to speak out.
I used to wait for other people to speak up but then I realized I need to be the change.
Two 9/11 hijackers lived with an FBI informant in San Diego.
That's just a fact. The conspiracy theory is what this fact strongly implies.
Here's another crazy fact with similarly disturbing implications: hundreds of Israeli spies were arrested in the months leading up to 9/11, and some of them lived next door to Mohammad Atta in Florida. https://archive.ph/OIRuL
I think it'd encourage conspiracism as a mindset. Look at how people are with 9/11. Humans have a natural need to seek out patterns, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia , and conspiracy theorists online link six separate plane crashes together as some kind of coordinated thing. There's no room for accidents or for mechanical/procedural issues, no recognition that coincidences happen, just straight to xenophobic or anti-government conspiracies. That's not something we should reward.
I've only had one person really bite and it gave me just enough of an idea where to take it, but every subsequent attempt has stalled. If I can just catch someone who's either really passionate about 9/11 conspiracies or 9/11 conspiracy debunking it's going to uniquely enrage them.
Just you wait until I fight you about the number of planes. "Oh yeah it was only four planes? One of them was just some random field? Well if that's a terrorist attack against corn then why don't we just make it six planes so it's extra dramatic?"
I refuse to even define the extra two. They're just there to validate the paranoia of the person who thinks it was somehow a "deliberate attack". They can pick which two planes will make it more of a dramatic story for them.
Given the last "give me your most :jesse-wtf: takes" post, I dread AND crave it
Might be this one. Fun thread.
https://hexbear.net/post/185743Another one:
https://hexbear.net/post/180574
I can't help but think about this. I was about to see him in Austin before the show was cancelled due to Covid and then he just died so suddenly a short time later. It felt like he was on a fast upward trajectory.
Unironically the presence of him and Jamie on the Majority Report was such a perfect little microchosm of how pipelines could work on the left. Sam was on Bob’s Burgers and had the socdem politics and aesthetics of legitimacy via the talk radio background/format. But then he was also the straight man to all the jokes by these shitheads who happened to run niche radical podcasts. Michael’s combination of comedy with solid leftist geopolitical commentary/coverage is still unmatched. And frankly watching Jamie roast Sam for exploiting her labor as her employer was still one of my favorite bits
The CIA killed JFK because he was a Gamer! :jfk-gaming:
He was probably killed because he didn't invade Cuba and didn't want to go to war in Vietnam, that probably made the MIC very angry. :very-smart:
I believe there's more to 9/11 than the official narrative. It does not involve Israel pulling the strings but rather PNAC trying to revive the USA.
MKUltra never ended, it evolved into MKNaomi and the like and continues to this day. That's about the best I have.
100% believe this. I think the CIA had a massive hand in creating social media and MKUltra of today is mostly messing with algorithms to see what they can do to the subjects. I think Youtube and Google especially glow brightly :cia:
It's probably at MKbecky at this point, the CIA has no reason to give it up.
I was googling for conspiracy theory sites today and found that the google search gave me no results and instead a bunch of stuff about misinformation. That's not new. Neither is finding a couple sites that are extremely right wing, antisemitic, and fashy. The reactionary nature of these conspiracy sites is because socialism and anticapitalist thought is cracked down upon hard in this country.
The real conspiracy here is the CIA leaking real and fake stuff to right wing conspiracy theorists constantly to make all of them look crazy. Remember how Biden's creepy behavior got swept under the rug? Qanon was a deep state plant. :illuminati:
I've noticed that it's become way more convoluted and difficult to find anything about conspiracy theories through google searches, as you're laundered through pages of links by skeptics and debunkers
The internet is noticeably more censored and consolidated than it was in the 2000s.
Of course. It plays into alien disclosure. It's to make the anti-Biden wing of american capitalism look crazy. They are but for other reasons.
idk what to think about it, but chuds are the only ones talking about alien disclosure.
Oh yeah when was that? Last summer? With the UFOs and stuff. Hexbear was quick to dismiss it as an op for more military funding but I think there's something more to it.
Yeah about a summer ago. There's so much more here to aliens than what we think. I've been talking about my own experiences with said subject in the mega thread.
I have a very hard time believing it but that's only because I've never had any paranormal experiences myself. For example, I worked a night shift where all the employees swore there were ghosts, but I never saw anything, even when I tried.
I've told my UFO story here before. I think at most it was an unmanned probe. But I definitely believe something has come snooping.
I saw something that appeared to approach the speed of light. It moved in the way theoretical descriptions of near light speed motion would look. It was also a shifting mass of color I cannot adequately describe.
https://hexbear.net/post/24884/comment/179128 here it is.
but both were over 20 years ago
Why do all of these sightings seem to happen such a long time ago? It seems to me like our memory is messing with us. Plus there are loads of drugs that affect memory and your brain, along with things like schizophrenia. It's reasons like this why I'm so skeptical of the paranormal.
Edit: also yay! thank you for your story sorry if i'm a killjoy
No worries I think about that too but the events have remained clear in my mind since that same day when my uncle and I shared almost identical stories.
Have you ever heard about the Ariel school incident in southern Africa? (Not South Africa but I can't remember the country offhand) Pretty similar description of 3 orbs of shifting color just appearing in the sky, though the Ariel school incident had them land and try to communicate with ~60 witnesses.
Though I don't think I have enough info to say for sure there wasn't a non-alien explanation for this, I did once see a ball of light just appear in the sky as I was driving at night, watch it move around a bit at very high speeds and weird angles, then flash red before disappearing. My sister was in the passenger seat and my now-roommate was in his car a bit further ahead and we all saw it
I did once see a ball of light just appear in the sky as I was driving at night, watch it move around a bit at very high speeds and weird angles, then flash red before disappearing. My sister was in the passenger seat and my now-roommate was in his car a bit further ahead and we all saw it
That all sounds extremely similar to what I saw.
I literally do not know what to believe outside of there's probably something kicking around that's greater than us.
Whether or not it's greater I would argue is up for debate but I do sometimes wonder if some other stuff is going on. I want to believe :illuminati:
They told us MKUltra was a complete failure but then RFK was killed by a sleeper agent. :thinking-about-it:
Have you listened to the Trueanon "Bush Did 9/11" episodes? I always was of the mind that there was a bunch of stuff they weren't telling us, though I kinda scoffed at the concept of U.S. governments complicity. But listening to those episodes made me pretty much a full-on truther.
David Icke believes every antisemitic conspiracy ever made is secretly about our alien reptilian overlords, and just using "Jews" as a code word so that they won't notice that we're on to them.
I bought a david icke book from a thrift store once and literally opened it to a random page and the first sentence I read was talking about our Jewish overlords
Well damn. Milkshake duck moment I suppose. But not a terribly surprising one.
Hilda Murrell was killed during a bungled burglary to uncover papers on the sinking of the Belgrano. My mum remembers it happening, and how the story of what happened on local news would change daily, and sometimes between lunchtime news and evening news.
David Kelly was, as he predicted, “found dead in the woods” after the second Iraq war. The paramedics that found him doubted the official story
The Mull of Kintyre helicopter crash was a deliberate act, designed to sabotage the Northern Ireland peace process. Not to get too anecdotal, but my uncle’s neighbor was SBS in the 70s/80s, and I remember him talking about how utterly impossible it was in terms of protocol for that number of intelligence VIPs to be on the same helicopter at the same time.
VC recipient Colonel H Jones was killed by his own men at Goose Green. Same uncle’s neighbour talked about how he was famously despised in the regiment, and had it coming to him.
Aliens do exist , but a super advanced society has anything in oversupply but one thing ... Stories .. that what they need the Primitiv Societies for...
so whould you either seeek first contact with a primitive species or would you use them for entertaiment and Gambling..
There's the Vela incident in which Israel and France conducted a nuclear weapons test with apartheid South Africa, and the flying of an SR-71 over Pelindaba to spy on the nuclear weapons program. Also Pelindaba being basically a CIA blacksite with numerous suspicious break ins.
I could do part of it, since I'm at work a lot we could use someone else too.
The lunar landing being faked has always interested me from a materialist standpoint. Would make tons of sense considering how difficult the whole thing would be. And why dat flag waving in the wind in the video, huh?!
Pretty sure they left some kind of reflective thingy on the moon that proves they went there, though. Hell, I bet that's a lie! I've certainly never seen it!
:bird-screm-2:
The most convincing evidence that the US did, in fact, land on the moon is that the USSR didn't call them out on it. You know they had people poring over every bit of evidence trying to find a reasonable way of saying it was faked.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade
After Yugoslavia shot down an Amerikkkan F-117 stealth bomber, the Chinese secured the wreckage and moved it to the basement of the embassy.
US caught wind of this and sent B-2 stealth bombers from the US all the way to Yugoslavia to destroy the wreckage, fearing the Chinese would study it and develop stealth technology. The reason only a handful of people died in the embassy bombing is because the US used special warhead to target the basement. However the wreckage was not destroyed and it helped China to jump ahead of Russia in stealth technology.
Official story is NATO bombed Chinese embassy because they used an outdated map which everyone knows is bullshit. Supposedly true story is China has been using the embassy as a communications hub/relay for Yugoslavia. And the bombing is a "warning". I think this is far more likely but a lot of Chinese believe this stealth fighter conspiracy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinhe_incident
Long story short: US is adamant that China is shipping chemical weapons to Iran. Launched a blockade on the ship, forced the ship to accept an inspection, caused a huge ruckus. When no chemical weapon is found on the ship or in the ocean around the ship, US's like "Our intel is definitely good. It's not our fault. In fact it is your fault for spreading false information." and just left without appologizing or anything.
The conspiracy is the US is actually correct and China was going sell chemical weapons to Iran. Sounds ridiculous, but this is in the 90s when China was selling ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia.(Another conspiracy is China sold nukes to SA, on the condition the nukes can only be activated by China) Supposedly the only reason the US didn't find any chemical weapon is because there's a delay while the weapon is being delivered to the port. The cargo ship left the port without it. The US had good intel and only this last minute delay made it wrong.
