That's the neat part. Tiktok being the impetuous for nuclear holocaust is the ending that's just stupid enough for :amerikkka: to do
It is 2019. The US government is forcing TikTok to be sold to Oracle.
It is 2023. The US government is forcing TikTok to be sold
Particularly daft when Oracle is one of the US's biggest data trackers, leakers, and abusers with connections and contracts to the US military and intelligence service.
Yeah but that was Trump's attempt to make himself look tough on China, this is Biden's attempt to make himself look tough on China
The problem isn’t that they’re collecting data. It’s that they’re collecting data and not giving it to US intelligence quite as easily as everyone else does
I don't even think that's the problem. I'm pretty sure they're nearly fully cooperating it's just:
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They don't feel comfortable letting a Chinese company know their exact psy-op strategies which they need to in order to implement them for them unlike say Twitter, Facebook, etc which they trust to do this.
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they don't want successful Chinese brands or companies operating internationally. It threatens their existing psyops that they own 100% such as FB/Twitter/etc and gives Chinese a good name and a foot in the door with the global youth in terms of experiences with Chinese brands and properties.
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Propaganda value: They want to fearmonger and whip up fear about anything Chinese tech related. Chinese networking products and 5G are a threat to national security they scream, this is a threat to national security they scream. They just want to crush anything Chinese as part of their contain, encircle, and de-couple push. They do not want China being allowed to grow and interlink more with the global high-tech world and by doing this they're sending a message to vassals and everyone else.
Honestly I think you’re right, these are all much better reasons
TikTok is one of the best investments China made because they
- get to collect data on their biggest rival
- most of the information is useless for military purposes, but great for pushing junk products onto children and bored adults. Perhaps hijack political movements for social disruption
- the US can’t outright ban it because they also profit from domestic spying and companies profit from ads and sponsorships
- so China gets to profit off Americans and in exchange they let Americans spy on each other
Long story short, China profits off the American surveillance state because it’s too popular for Feds to just ban completely and miss out on the intel and ad revenue
the US can’t outright ban it because they also profit from domestic spying and companies profit from ads and sponsorships
They can. Considering tik-tok already gave the US a compromise and it's not exactly campaign season so Biden has no reason to posture -yet- over something like this, it seems they really want this.
They already have domestic spying covered. By removing it they funnel people into FB, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, and every other American corporation with NSA/CIA/FBI "former" agent filled moderation teams and profits that entirely stay within the US as well as CEO's who can be blackmailed, dragged in front of congress and humiliated, subjected to investigations and harassment if they don't play ball in how they conduct business not just in the US, but abroad and that's what the US really wants. It isn't enough to control things within their borders, they must control global discourse, they must be able to control everyone everywhere with lopsided policies and exceptions for the US and no one else.
Recall that USAID (a CIA front) set up a social media site in Cuba for Cubans with the express intent of fomenting count-revolution. Keep in mind that other countries including Russia and China among others have expressed unease at the fact all the social media their citizens use is based in the US by companies who have CIA psyops on their teams, who white-list US bots while banning their own, who turn over data to the US but not other governments if the US doesn't wish it. That's the way the US expects things to be. They demand the right to control global discourse, to censor who they want, boost who they want, control the conversation, steer things for their benefit. And that's what this is really about. An alternative in China existing is a direct threat to that model of total global hegemonic control of online discourse, especially of smaller countries than Russia/China who have no way to field alternatives.
Those ad dollars aren't going to vanish as most people addicted to it will go to another platform or spend time on another platform with ads. That's not even mentioning the overarching metadata collection of the NSA bulk surveillance programs which can tell you a lot of things.
They already can do all those things, this is just cutting out any benefit to China.
The spying and manipulation of people by natsec psyops was already happening before tik-tok was ever a thing. If they removed it, it would still continue. The teenagers using it aren't going to go all unabomber and disconnect from the net and start collecting firearms and preparing for a revolution. They'll be angry, maybe protest a little but ultimately either go to other US controlled bubble social media or use less social media in which case their information, their views are still informed by the dominant superstructure and its propaganda. There is no lose for the US here by sabotaging a rival.
Most likely if it comes down to it the company in China will sell and take some money rather than refuse to sell and lose the entire US (plus probably domino effect on Europe which will ban it like good pawns, etc) and vassal states of same costing them a market of oh say more than half a billion people.
The funniest outcome:
Conservatives pickup drivers that want to nuke China MacCarthur style are gonna be crying about losing a Chinese data mining machine that breaks their own brains.
honestly why don't you guys just counter-psyop? I've done this
- have an aged reddit account
- constantly post anti-china stuff in a ridiculous over-the-top way
- ESPECIALLY in threads that are criticising the US government for the disaster-of-the-week (east palestine, the next bridge collapse, etc)
bonus points: be some middle-aged sexpat who posts on r/china
done it before and it always nets negative downvotes
ex: in a thread about the latest :the-pigs: incident
"I'm black and while the US has problems China is still way worse so it might also be good to count your blessings"
anyone who checks ur post history sees that you've made racist comments in the past and/or are a middle aged white weirdo
Holy shit, that’s what I gotta do with my :reddit-logo: account
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This comes after a bipartisan bill was unveiled earlier this month that would provide President Biden with the authority to ban TikTok.
:amerikkka-clap: we dont need clean water or infrastructure after all, thank you mr president :mission-accomplished: :mission-accomplished-1: :mission-accomplished-2:
From their link:
The bipartisan bill, led by Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA), would empower the secretary of Commerce to ban foreign technologies and companies from operating in the US if they present a threat to national security.
There is no way that this could possibly be abused
Democrats are somehow showing to be more unhinged than the Republicans were towards China.
It's because they need to prove that they're "tougher" on China than the Republicans.
In communist China they have a massive firewall that censors all foreign information from coming into their country
imagining a jan 6 kind of event but it is kids doing their tik tok dances in the white house menancingly
This is literally what killed Milton Friedman.
He sat on his hand until it fell asleep and then jerked himself off to death. Some of you know this as "the stranger," but in libertarian circles it's called "the invisible hand."
Wasnt russia bunch of authoritarians for asking facebook to store russian data inside russia? :soviet-hmm:
And the funny thing is tik-tok already complied with that demand for the US. Oracle stores all data in the US for them and they also hired a ton of natsec spooks onto their US team who no doubt influence curation of content. This is just plain banditry and an attempt to seize or destroy a popular Chinese property. If they sell the US will expand the presence worldwide and add it to their collection of surveillance and influence operations known as social media. If they refuse and take the ban the US screaming about it being a Chinese spy app will grow even louder as they try and bully other countries to also ban it to thwart it.
They said it out loud. They want us back watching the networks and back on facebook. So they can continue to lie and control the story much more effectively
I think they just don't want competition. I'm not convinced the TikTok format is a threat to propaganda.
Yeah tiktok dominates gen z way more than any other media, they want meta/google having all the market (instagram reels/youtube shorts)
Fucking youtube shorts broke their thumbnail feature like 6 months ago and still havent fixed it, because they don't give a solitary fuck
6 months of Shorts video thumbnails just being random fucking parts of the video, literally millions of videos with incomprehensible images lowering their own engagement because eh, we can just ban our competition
:reddit-logo: made the absolute worst video player ever to try to copy TikTok.
Misunderstood what you meant by derailment. There was plenty of OC about it on twitter too
That's the coverage, but the real reason this just picked up steam is facebook got un-distracted by VR and hired more lobbyist ghouls to kill competition, just like they did with Vine.TikTok US is full of the same sort of ghouls, doing the same thing any other social media monopolist does for discourse in the west--amplifying the right and silencing the left.
Toshiba all over again. The question is if China will fall for the same shit.
China doesn't have 50 military bases scattered across its landmass making the issue over before it even started, so no
Ban the entire app store then because they're all massive data collectors and spy tools.
I remember somebody here saying that the board of directors (or whatever) was already a bunch of american ghouls. Anybody know if that's true?
Probably, I constantly get liberal pro-America shit on my fyp even though I click "not interested" whenever I get it
They already moved all their data shit to Texas, thinking it might stop a political project that is just blind anti-Chinese racism
https://www.mintpressnews.com/nato-tiktok-pipeline-why-tiktok-employing-national-security-agents/280336/
I'm not even from the US, but:
healthcare pls :flattened-bernie:
