Get the “ but we’re liberals 🤓” joke out now.

Obviously we’re very far left and vocal about being anti establishment, some things I’ve seen posted here, whilst I won’t admit I agree with :) are pretty sus from a feds perspective. If the site was raided and if people were subject to arrests, what do you think they would be charged with? We’re obviously on a list of course but the same can be said about all people tbh so I don’t really care about that, but since the political sphere in the US is becoming more mask off fash from both parties especially the drump comment about “enemy within” what do you think the future is? Also what crime is committed exactly? Might be a weird example but places like Georgia are racially targeting rappers by using their lyrics as evidence that they have committed crimes, couldn’t something similar happen here on this space? Does anyone have any examples of what the crime committed would be exactly or does it fall under freeze-peach.

I think it’s already been alarming for years but even more so with the multitude of arrests of people in support of Palestine including students who were just present at protests. I’ve seen people on here say we have to be organized etc in order for feds to take an initiative, but who knows exactly.

I just wanna know what crime and what jail I’ll be sent to if it all comes to that

  • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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    "National Security" or "Preventing Terrorism" would be my guess. It's what they do in so called "authoritarian" countries. US would also do the same if it sees its state power under threat or if a certain leader come into power.

      • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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        depends on how he (or she volcel-kamala or they (?)) decide to write the order. of course, American Supreme Court won't do shit. im going with up to 5 years (for no good reason, no trial), though its just a guess.

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          2 months ago

          Reminder that indefinite detention of US citizens is legal, and became so under Obama.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            2 months ago

            Plus they can shove you in pre-trial detention and deny bail if they want to. And if they do let you out they can stick a gps collar on you and restrict your movement.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 months ago

        It's all flim flam. Most likely they'd try to coerce you in to a false confession (a "plea deal") and give you a couple of years to make sure you're a felon, then let oyu out on probation in a few months or a year, but they could also send you up for a decade. It's all made up bullshit.

    • VOLCEL_POLICE [it/its]B
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      2 months ago

      Show

      The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.

      نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.

      volcel-police

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Nothing, if it gets to that point they'd just kill us. Has the userbase of any forum ever been mass-arrested?

  • CarbonScored [any]
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    2 months ago

    As it stands, nothing on Hexbear breaches the letter of the law in western countries.

    But, the reality is that they can arbitrarily arrest those they want to, and the consequent charge and punishment will be equally arbitrary and dependent on what made "push come to shove". Any previous examples will be equally arbitrarily charged and sentenced. So the only realistic answer is:

    • Crime you'll be charged with: Anything
    • Punishment: Anything between no punishment and death.
    • Beluga [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      2 months ago

      But all I do is post fake news? Do you think any federal agent have seen fake news posts? Do they read it with a straight face or do they chuckle a bit

      • CarbonScored [any]
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        2 months ago

        I have had fakenews blocked since forever because it's truly awful to see. If I was a Federal agent I'd argue for directly funding its active posters.

        Nah it's cool, I'm only mooostly joking madeline-bruh

    • FemboyStalin [she/her,any]
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      2 months ago

      https://ia801701.us.archive.org/28/items/the-invisible-ground/the-invisible-ground.pdf

  • TonoManza@lemmygrad.ml
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    2 months ago

    The real answer is, whatever they want to...

    If they can argue you've crossed the line, they'll get you on some sort of domestic terrorism charge.

    If they can't, they'll get you for drugs or another crime, and planting evidence isn't above them if they need to.

    Maybe they'd even fear for their life during those arrests or you just become another "street crime" statistic and they don't need to get officially involved.

    They could also black van you if they can get away with it, at which point they don't even need to pretend anything.

      • thebartermyth [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        The euphemism is for getting pulled into an unmarked van and killed.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 months ago

          Or put on a plane to Pakistan to be tortured, then killed.

          "Extraordinary rendition" is the keyword.

        • Beluga [comrade/them]
          hexagon
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          2 months ago

          I saw this euphemism in a Connor O’Malley video but they just brainwashed him into some sort of sleeper cell

  • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
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    2 months ago

    It's all satire / parody covered by the first amendment. Not that it would do you a lot of good if you're just thrown in a van or held indefinitely without trial which would be the most likely outcome I think

    The only no-no is actionable threats and those are against the rules here iirc, and I have never seen them

  • tamagotchicowboy [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Terrorism, conspiracy, something about being foreign agents, interacting with why-angel against some obscure law, and worst of all being rainbow-has

  • thebartermyth [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    imo the site would just be shut down in some way. Many of the state's domestic repressive functions are more easily carried out by non-state actors. Like FICO score or getting categorized as 'extremist' in an HR consulting database. This sort of thing materially pushes people into situations where they'd be arrested for something more mundane.

    Other than that, there are other forms of carcerality or social ostrisization if people fall outside of social norms in real life. So maybe in IRL we say "hey isn't making kids say the pledge of allegiance every day sorta weird and bad?" and someone responds that it would be unamerican not to and that their dad died in iraq or something and that the pledge honors them... and etc etc... suddenly vaguely left people irl who were gonna join the DSA but didn't ever get around to it are indistinguishable from maoist guerillas because US body politic is ridiculous.

    • thebartermyth [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      Like I'm already "on a list", but for completely non-political reasons (crimes lol).

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        I'm pretty sure I'm on multiple lists. Hexbear would just be another one to add to the pile. This list includes:

        • Looking at a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook from my local library.
        • Downloading songs off Napster/Limewire
        • Downloading and reading the Unibomber manifesto
        • Buying all three volumes of Kapital and the Communist Manifesto.
        • Owning a Koran
        • Relatives involved in local gangs
        • Association with drug addicts
        • Relatives who are Feds (I know...ew)
        • Basic understanding of how to make a nuclear bomb
        • Basic knowledge of making chemical weapons (like nerve gas)

        I'm sure there's more. Those are just the ones I can think of when younger me was a dumbass thinking a firewall was as much security you would ever need back in 2005.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 months ago

          Damn. I just remembered that Bush and Friends tried to get librarians to keep lists of who checked out political books.

    • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 months ago

      or getting categorized as 'extremist' in an HR consulting database.

      what-the-hell I hope this isn't why it was so hard for me to find a job

      • thebartermyth [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        Hopefully you'll be reassured to learn that McKinsey & Company is one of the larger industry players.