(dudes rock btw)
65+ are the most likely to die from covid and also are old enough to have known people who had polio and other vaccine-prevented diseases
After seeing a post from a black woman doctor talking about how black people's completely reasonable distrust of the medical institution may lead to a lot of refusals from black americans, I'd be interested in seeing a racial breakdown as well.
Does the FDA have a good track record of inspecting things? Like I don't trust the private healthcare market for anything but wondering on how much time and resources the FDA has for looking to this hypothetical vaccine. Feel like gov regulating body might be so defanged and defunded to be very affective nowadays. Still might take it if free though.
The FDA is actually a little more cautious than regulators in other countries (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5680823/). But they aren't applying the usual criteria this time around so who knows?
Career FDA positions are pretty hard to get into, and the US has a huge talent pool. They are also some of the best in the world in their fields. Europe divides the task up among too many countries.
A worldwide wide one would be the end goal. Totally top of the field from the entire planet. Let the eggheads win.
The conservative Australian government is waiting until March 2021 to start vaccinations, in part to use the UK and potential US as test sites.
I like how old people tend to be rightoid assholes but it turns out in their minds that's probably just a matter of self preservation.
What nice shit do they even have? Gaudy cars and McMansions! It's shit I wouldn't buy if I had big money. Some dumb ass golf subscription, a cabin share in some mountain range without a good view, and a cruise every year. It's shit that's not aesthetic and it sucks. They'd burn the world down over luxuries that are tedious and awful.
Yes, this is well researched and taken word for word from Capital. Prove me wrong, you haven't read it either 🧐
So what’s the deal with these numbers? Obviously there’s a huge antivax problem but are people worried about a shitty vaccine being rushed out or something?
That's exactly my worry, ill get it eventually, but not on Batch 1 or anything like that
Hmm. Well I think we should know more about side effects and stuff by the time the general pop gets it, right? Military and emergency services/doctors will get vaccinated long before it’s available to me and you, presumably.
The government's credibility has been steadily declining since the Bush era, so the younger you are the more likely your entire conception of government is dominated by Trump and his goons. Plus you get shit like Gavin Newsom getting caught not giving a shit about social distancing and what message are people supposed to take from that if not "it's not a big deal"?
I'll wait to see if the general population has bad reactions to it. Till then, I'm in the age group where I can afford to get it, and I'll wear a mask to avoid spreading it.
A shitty vaccine definitely worries me. I don't know enough about microbiology to know if my fears are possible, but I do know enough about economics.
The goal for these companies is to produce a vaccine that as many people as possible will get for the highest price possible. Of course. Not super hard considering that this virus has changed life as we know it. If we all develop severe health problems a year later as a result of the vaccine, they don't need to care, they already made their money.
I trust a communist vaccine more than a capitalist one.
If you're scared of the vaccine because you're afraid the mRNA is gonna mess with your insides you're gonna freak the fuck out when you hear what viruses are made out of and do
I'm actually less scared now that I have heard more about how it works.
Sounds fine.
I really don't like the tendency to treat people as stupid for being afraid of this vaccine. Mistakes with a vaccine can be really really bad.
Yeah, probably just my background but it annoys me that it's giving some credence to the vaccines causing autism people
I mean we totally should be skeptical but at least in my experience in a very chuddy area there's been a pretty big resurgence in the anti-vaxxer thing
Only 46% of the highest-risk demo are very likely to take the vaccine
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Good. Let Boomer Remover™ do it's job so the younger generation can come in and find success finally.
Tbh as long as the people who actually want it are able to get it, idgaf about the rest. If 50% of people would rather get covid than the vaccine, fucking go for it then, they're trying their hardest to get it already anyway.
So am I right to be skeptical of the first round of vaccines? I know first responders and healthcare workers are set for the first set or so, but even if its widely available to 100% of the population, am I paranoid to wait like 2-3 months before getting it? 18-34 btw, I will very likely get it, just not "as soon as available"
I don't know. I always get the flu vaccine. It's not really something I question anymore. As soon as this vaccine is available for my group, I will get it. If you're nervous, I suggest researching how it was developed. Vaccine technology has come a long way in the past few decades. Turns out the development phase is pretty quick, it's the trial phase that still takes a set amount of time. I think they had vaccine candidates as early as last spring.
Reposting my comment:
I’ll wait to see if the general population has bad reactions to it. Till then, I’m in the age group where I can afford to get it, and I’ll wear a mask to avoid spreading it.
A shitty vaccine definitely worries me. I don’t know enough about microbiology to know if my fears are possible, but I do know enough about economics.
The goal for these companies is to produce a vaccine that as many people as possible will get for the highest price possible. Of course. Not super hard considering that this virus has changed life as we know it. If we all develop severe health problems a year later as a result of the vaccine, they don’t need to care, they already made their money.
I trust a communist vaccine more than a capitalist one.
Idk how it is where you are, but I think over here as an 18-34 y.o. (who isn't at high risk), 2-3 months is gonna be the waiting time anyway, if not longer. I'm guessing just healthcare workers and nursing home patients are gonna take a month, and then they'll continue going down the risk groups. So.. good news?
not saying this is the sole reason or anything, but there's a long history of finding out post-FDA approval that women have unexpected responses to drugs because drug trials mostly study men. this leads to dosage problems, adverse side effects, all kinds of shit.
Also, women are generally more socialized into buying into alternative, New Age pablum. Think horoscopes, Oprah, and anti-vaxx.
This seems more of a youth thing though? WTF gals (and guys)? What are they putting in your drinking water? Is it the fluoride making you do this?
The difference for the age groups makes a lot of sense. Old people have the most at risk when it comes to getting the virus. Young people have much less to worry about getting the virus and the rest of their lives to damage by getting a dangerous vaccine.
This is entirely me guessing but I would think young people would just be more skeptical of the government approving a vaccine just to get it out there instead of testing it thoroughly enough to ensure it's safe
If it's not that then idk why the fuck these are the results
That could be part of it, and is a nicer good faith way of looking at it, but I think its more a combination of young people who think young people are basically immune and either 1. don't know about herd immunity due to bad education or 2. don't give a fuck because they're selfish.
I think it's because the antivax movement originated with mothers, who are usually much more concerned with their children's health than fathers. So antivax sentiment trickles through female social circles faster than male circles. I bet if you looked at health theories promoted by Joe Rogan they wouldn't be as common in women than in men.
does everyone have to get it? if not this doesn't seem that bad.
"For a vaccine with 100% efficacy that gives life-long protection, the level of herd immunity as a proportion of the population, pc, required to block transmission is [1 – 1 / R0], where R0 is the basic reproduction number.16 Given an R0 value before lockdowns in most countries of between 2·5 to 3·5, we estimate the herd immunity required is about 60–72%. If the proportional vaccine efficacy, ε, is considered, the simple expression for pc becomes [1 – 1 / R0] / ε. If we assume ε is 0·8 (80%), then the herd immunity required becomes 75–90% for the defined range of R0 values."
Still, it's better than nothing even without achieving herd immunity.
The immuno-compromised probably can't take it. So if you've got HIV or auto-immune disorders that make you take immuno-suppressant drugs or have cancer and your immune system gets fucked by chemo. I don't know about pregnant women and the Covid vaccines - but they also can't take certain vaccinations. This makes up something like 5-15% of the population.
This means that everyone healthy should get vaccinated. Because the immuno-compromised need everyone else of us to get herd immunity. If you're healthy - don't be a free rider and do your part for humanity as a whole.
Idk what the exact percentage is for covid but with most diseases, around 95% of the population needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity to happen
