"They told everybody to vote for Joe B*den, that's how socialist they are" :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh:

  • Cayman [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    What? The only DSA-related support for Joe Bident only comes from this members form which explicitly outlines it being a members initiative not a broader organisational one: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeLowxXwuJhiRNznw057xOiRpY05AeY1-WeKWkDxj9DrfyVxg/viewform?fbclid=IwAR1UPcZuAOMOsfGqNnvk0tBjdUm9j1M1PHya1PQ63oHTz8C7UyCTkX4RkAg

    Plus: 'IT’S GOOD THAT DSA DIDN’T ENDORSE JOE BIDEN' (https://socialistcall.com/2020/10/26/its-good-that-dsa-didnt-endorse-joe-biden/) 'Why DSA is Not Endorsing Joe Biden' (https://midwestsocialist.com/2020/09/18/why-dsa-is-not-endorsing-joe-biden/)

    Jimmy Door? More like Jimmy Bore 😏

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, some moron national morons did, but "only Bernie" was literally written into the bylaws and the people who did were rightfully dragged by membership.

  • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    YouTube comments always suck, but Jimmy Dore's fans have huge cornball energy. "The Fraud Squad and their enablers exposed again!"

    Half of the clips I see of Dore is him doing some incoherent rant with breaks to say how he's the only brave truthteller talking about whatever it is.

  • DecolonizeCatan [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The Michael Brooks emoji reminds me just how much I'd rather hear his take on this instead of Jimmy Dore's.

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Seriously. His death was so devastating for the left. Legit could bring any left ideology together.

      • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Ya, he did such a great job bringing together libs like Seder and MLs like Jamie. His foreign policy analysis was on point, which imo is necessary for any real critique of capitalism domestically. Tactics used internationally always make their way to the imperial core, and the contradictions SoccDems and libs refuse to acknowledge are obvious internationally.

        MR is a tough watch now, too much of a lib echo chamber.

        • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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          4 years ago

          His foreign policy analysis was on point, which imo is necessary for any real critique of capitalism domestically

          too true and the loss of his voice on it really sucks because shitty foreign policy is almost unanimously default amongst american political commentators even relatively progressive ones.

  • Infamousblt [any]
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    4 years ago

    The DSA did not endorse Biden as an organization. Small groups within the DSA may have but I challenge you to find one that endorsed Biden that matters

      • captcha [any]
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        4 years ago

        Citations? Specifically on this letter? Our chapter introduced the by law that forbid DSA from endorsing anyone but Bernie.

        Edit: found the letter further in chat.

          • captcha [any]
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            4 years ago

            I got very confused here because MADSA is also the name of the chapter that introduced resolution 15 which forbid National from endorsing anyone but Sanders.

            FWIW The resolution doesn't overturn any prohibition on endorsing non-socialists. But it does do everything it can to provide material aide to Biden without endorsing him. GOTV campaigns, issue based campaigns, defeat republicans, using it as a recruiting oppurtunity. Bootlicker isn't the right word. They know what they're doing is wrong but but they've been completely cowed into doing it.

              • captcha [any]
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                4 years ago

                Madison Area DSA also goes by MADSA.

                it is a de facto endorsement in every way that matters.

                That was my point.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It's a large org and some chapters are like 10 libs that still think it's just a Jacobin reading group. Of course you're going to have outliers doing bullshit like that. DSA isn't PSL, for better or worse, it's an org that isn't ideologically rigorous, it's more of a meeting place for local activists and theory nerds.

      Bernie was the only candidate that DSA was allowed to endorse and that was written into the national laws, so anyone doing this is breaking with DSA.

  • BeanBoy [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Maybe Dore is confusing DSA with Avakian https://www.worldtribune.com/comrades-communist-party-usa-endorses-biden/

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Before their Liberalization in the 90's, they ran their own campaign every year - besides 1948 when they endorsed Henry Wallace.

          • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            huh, I didn't realize.

            Also, any idea what is up with them lately? I remember them being pretty worthless when I was getting into left politics (basically a few retirees who didn't do much other than endorse Dems and publish "Bush bad" articles) but someone was saying they've gotten good again and have an influx of new members?

            • spectre [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              They may be referring to the PCUSA which is not the same

  • Nounverb [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Jimmy Dore slaps. I can tell how fake someone is by their response to a classic Dore take

    Also voting for Biden made you a lib and that's terminal