The crackpots who believe in Armageddon think the Jews need to be in charge of Israel in order for Jesus to make his encore appearance.
That's literally it. American WASPs hate Jews otherwise.
Is that why they're also allied with Saudi Arabia? Is that also why they are allied with Israel despite many of them being very antisemitic?
There's a lot more to this than the personal grievances of bigoted conservatives with other races and creeds.
The alliance with Israel isn't a "right wing thing" either? Like, it's the most consistent foreign policy of the US. The superstitions of some evangelicals are a non factor in that. That's just how it can be justified for their constituents.
That's true but then you have some high ups, like Mike Pence for example, that actually believe the evangelical bullshit that if more Jewish people move to Israel the end times will come. So it's more complex than that.
There are no such high ups in Europe and you still have more or less the same situation. Whether Pence really believes it or just acts that way for his voters, who knows. But it doesn't matter. Pence may believe whatever, it's not gonna matter for long term foreign policy at all. Biden doesn't believe it, neither does Harris, but you've got the same thing going on.
There are no such high ups in Europe
Are you saying that there are no Christian based political parties in Europe? I find that very hard to believe.
But otherwise I agree with the rest of what you said. Israel is used as a vector for US foreign policy policy in the region and the US propaganda machine sells it to the evangelicals through some end times prophecy nonsense and to the liberals through some idealistic nonsense. However you do get the rare situation where someone that actually drunk the kool aid ends up behind the wheel which can lead to "interesting" scenarios.
Are you saying that there are no Christian based political parties in Europe?
There are no Evangelical based parties who believe the Israel rupture shit. The belief you are describing isn't a shared Christian belief, it's something certain American Evangelicals believe.
"They" is a certain subset of Protestants. It's not a good enough reason to affect foreign policy to that extent, for so long. Reminds me of the people who thought Russia would fight tooth and nail for Nagorno Karabakh because they are both christian orthodox vs muslims. Noooope.
Now take that and multiply it by a factor of 10 and make it about the entire country, not one party. That's the Orthodox church in Russia.
If that was a major factor, then it would only be the republicans doing that, but it's probably the most consistent position the US has in terms of foreign policy. This is really just an extension of colonialism. It is perpetuated and justified by racial and religious hatred but it's not the main engine behind it.
That’s true but both parties are the same when it comes to Israel
Eh this is one issue where the GOP is being led around by donors and the evangelical base to much worse positions than the Democratic party IMO. Not that the DNC is good on Israel, they're terrible of course. But evangelicals/GOP basically want Israel (a Palestinian-free Israel) to be the 51st state, and while that's hyperbole it's not that far off.
But those shitstains also deeply hate jewish people. They just swallowed a excuse to have a military enclave there to shit on the region.
Even more, I thibk the whole evangelism was originally designed by some CIA or shit like that, and that fucking idea went damn good. Yet they couldn't pull the exact thing in south america, even despite the Bolsonaro thing.
damn it's almost like cultural institutions are some sort of... megabuilding constructed on top of the economic foundation :curious-marx: I'm sure someone can clean that up
There was some comments about him groping some women or something like that. Wasn't rape-rape I think
There were two accusations, from memory:
The first was from a local stand up comedian (?) / activist who accused him of sexual harassment. They weren't in any kind of professional relationship whatsoever except for possibly (?) both appearing at an open mic on the same night one time (Buttar apparently did really terrible spoken word). She came to pamphlet his share house, and he apparently hit on her (I don't remember there being many details here). It "became a pattern" when he also hit on her when they met at parties over the years. In one example, they were chatting with a group of friends and the topic was "when did you last have sex." When the conversation turned to her she said something like "[decent number of] years ago, I was assaulted, I haven't had sex since." Buttar said something insensitive, I forgot what. Later he allegedly brushed up against her as they were getting drink refills in the kitchen, and she quoted him as saying "I'm sure we can find someone to fuck you."
The second allegation was from a campaign staffer or staffers (or volunteers?) who had been fired en masse from his campaign (there was some personnel shakeup a couple months in or something? I forgot), who accused him of berating them and "seeming to be less accepting of ideas in meetings if they came from a woman," with no examples. I don't remember the specifics, or if there really were specifics. In this case Buttar said in response that he "can be a difficult boss," which is pretty fucking cringe for a socialist.
Looks like it, but they still all left at once due to something that at least included strategy disagreements (from here):
In an interview, Wilde told Salon that her "final straw" came back in the spring after the primary, when, she said, she and other staffers grew tired of Buttar "challenging every decision" in "demeaning" ways that she alleged were sexist and misogynistic. Specifically, Wilde said she and her colleagues were, during the primary, focused on placing second. Then, there was concern that John Dennis, the Republican Party's candidate who faced off against Pelosi in the 2020 primary, was going to win. Wilde said she focused on traditional tactics like knocking on doors — the "basics of campaigning," she said — and that Buttar was often resistant to them. Wilde said it was "incredibly demoralizing" to hear him say that what she and other staffers continued to suggest had no impact on the election.
"He was incredibly disrespectful and hurtful, he lashed out quite a bit at everyone on the team," Wilde told Salon. Wilde said that she and other staffers outlined a list of stipulations, threatening to quit if they weren't met. Wilde says Buttar verbally agreed, but says they didn't stick. "We didn't feel it was ethical to continue taking money from donors to run a campaign that was essentially his vanity project," she added.
Wilde left, which then caused a "ripple effect." Nearly a dozen more staffers left.
Still nobody says what those disagreements were except Buttar, obliquely:
"One point of tension," Buttar said, was attending in-person events. "I built the campaign by being a very frequent face at events, any march, rally, protest, discussion, community meeting about climate change, wars, universal health care over the last three years I've been at, and I go there with people and I recruit them — that was another strategy that my staff didn't understand," he said.
getting 7 or 8 people who worked directly under him to corroborate the same thing? Sorry no one has that kind of Machiavellian control.
You just dangle offers of money and future jobs. Assuming that these people weren't plants from the start, which is also not out of the question. Again, this is the Pelosi machine we're talking about.
I don't see how it's any of that just to say "maybe this isn't as it seems?"
Believe Women means take it seriously and investigate?
I thought we could just believe in woman and call it a day
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There's no easy solution here. We have a large problem of sexual assault and rape victims coming forward and being ignored, but (especially in a political context) you also have whisper campaigns (see Alex Morse) and obvious fabrications (remember when Jacob Wohl got some ex-Marine to accuse Elizabeth Warren of some BDSM-related sex crime, and the guy couldn't read his statement without laughing?).
Howie Hawkins had probably the best statement on the matter when the Tara Reade story broke: you take the accusation as credible, investigate, and give due process to the accused. This isn't perfect (because you have bad-faith smears like the ones directed at Morse and Warren, and they shouldn't even be taken as credible; and you also have situations where the victim stands by their story in good faith, but there's not enough evidence for a third party to draw any conclusions), but it's a decent start.
Dude what happened to Jacob Wohl? I miss that guy and his big meaty head, did he do too many crimes and go to jail or something?
Yes, it's such an important issue for the left that it's extremely easy for an opponent of the left to have someone say something vague about some prominent progressive figure and instantly discredit them forever, because people will usually just go with it, and there may well be residue suspicion even if they are at least partially vindicated. I think here it is different because there were multiple reports of people quitting his campaign, although it didn't seem to be about sexual assault or anything like that, just "usual" mistreatment of staff.
I meant the DNC excused Biden saying, among piles and piles of shit, that Reade was a Russia asset
“I talked to these poor brown people being oppressed by these white euros, and it finally dawned on me that this isn’t a racial conflict.”
Nothing more pathetic than a “left wing” ghoul. Like who are you even playing towards politically? Or is he just such a fucking loser that he actually believes the BS coming from his mushbrain.
“left wing” ghoul
literally more Marxist than Chapochat
Materialism means that literally anything that happens is because of capitalism. Haven't you heard?
But that is why this happens. Geopolitics. The racism part is born out of that relationship, not the other way around.
Oh, it's just that many people here honestly believe that racism is the cause of colonialism rather than the other way around.
IDK. Seems like there's more vulgar Marxists who want to centralize capitalism as the direct cause of every problem (like the settlement of palestine) rather than dealing with the role of precapitalist history in the region
Well the precapitalist history of the region is the reason many Jews wanted a state there and useful for getting some people on board, but not the reason this actually happened, or the reason the USA is so invested in the area. Ancient shit remains ancient and is eventually forgotten unless there is actually something else going on. Hence the continual improvement of the relations between Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Israel.
Right. But when you're thinking of why psycho christians in the west so strongly support Israel, it isn't because of an improvement in relations with Saudi.
No, I am saying that the Saudis and the UAE are now all buddy buddy with Israel because of shared interests, despite the supposed deep cultural animosity.
