Wait, they think :brace-cowboy: is a Zionist shill?
Interesting take
I think that, fighting for the US approved rebels on Israel's behalf is actually not good.
Can you elaborate in good faith?
I legitimately don't get if this is a bit or honesty, but either way I would enjoy hearing more of your views on this subject.
Do you mean that Brace went and fought because he likes israel so much and his aim was to increase their security, not the people he actually joined up with? How would that square with his constant criticism of zionism and israel, its all an op and he's playing 4d chess?
I think he's an unwitting stooge which discredits his criticisms, does he at least say that the Epstein ring was the Israeli regime's doing on his podcast? I should hope so.
He talks about Mossad/israeli govt connections to Epstein many times, yes.
He shit talks israel a lot in general so I thought it was weird he was labelled a zionist shill of all things.
It's hard to NOT explicitly state (if not imply) the Israeli government was connected to the Epstein ring when Robert Maxwell is such a prominent figure in the story.
How many connections does there have to be for us to conclude the obvious though? Supporting the US proxy war with Iran in Syria is aligned with Israeli policy as well.
Except that's not what's happening in Syria.
The YPG is so far from being a US proxy that they fought against US proxies in Syria, are at war with a NATO member, and work with the Syrian government.
Yeah they're more like bag holders since getting into bed with the US still saw them lose Afrin and the border strip and possibly Kobani now to Turkey
“I don’t know what a Holocaust denier even is.”
— Norman Finkelstein, who also recently guested on the TrueAnon podcast
Literally doing the exact same scumbag media smear bullshit tactics Finkelstein described on the episode in question
Also Jewish Chronicle smeared labour members who supported Corbyn (and of course smeared Corbyn in general).
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/jewish-chronicle-rapped-ipso-lack-of-evidence-claims-labour-activist/
Yeah, there was a lot of hasty backtracking in the 80s when Irving went off the deep end. He'd been known for doing good work in the German archives before that happened.
How did he go off the deep end? Like, how did he go from respected historian to Holocaust denier?
Ron Rosenbaum, in "Explaining Hitler" (a book about the various theories of "why was Hitler Hitler"), says that colleagues of Irving told him that after some of Irving's earlier (still controversial, but not Holocaust denial) works were published, and received decently, he was put in touch with some of Hitler's surviving inner circle. Apparently they wanted to share their views of Hitler the person with someone they viewed as fair minded, and Irving's colleagues think that being brought into their trust broke him.
Which makes sense - he was controversial back home, but now these people are welcoming him and giving him secret knowledge? They must be on to something! "They like me! That means they're good people! They liked Hitler, which means good people like Hitler!"
Hmm. The lesson here is to shoot fascists on sight.
Let’s make fun of this article of course, but it’s not wrong about Aimee Therese, red scare, even jimmy dore. Heck throw vaush in there too and you have a legitimate problem of this bullshit in “left media”
I’m trying to throw these people out of the left as hard as I can* but they just don’t seem to go away
(*Im just telling them to eat shit on twitter occasionally)
Aimee Terese is so funny to be put on there. I mean she belongs on the list maybe more than anyone, but a lot of the "irony left" and "dirtbag left" on twitter basically tells her to eat shit nonstop every time she makes a new account. Like while she personofies the phenomenon that the author is trying to describe, him trying to slander the broader dirtbag left becomes difficult when you center a figure that is nearly universally hated.
Eh, Liz Franczak sure is fond of her. But that's the only "major" dirtbag figure I'm familiar with who seems to like her unironically.
Man, I don't know what Liz's deal is. You start off TrueAnon thinking Brace is the worst because he talks all the time and has all that ironic misogyny stuff, but then Liz comes on and it's the same shit just unironically. No wonder she's enmeshed with the pickme crowd.
Liz is so fuckin weird about stuff. She's clearly smart enough to keep whatever regressive nonsense she has to herself, unlike red scare and dore, but I just know she has some weird fuckin takes.
In a way, it's a good sign that there are enough lefties on the internet that we've also attracted grifters. Just means you can't be naive about every single person with a webcam or a podcast who calls themselves a socialist.
Oh yeah, there's definitely some reactionaries who are adopting leftist aesthetics (or genuine leftists who have drifted more reactionary). The article loses credibility when it paints with a broader brush, and clearly it's more concerned with influential leftist alt-media than whether or not there are reactionaries on the left. Hell, I doubt the author even genuinely cares about stopping reactionaries from gaining power.
Host Hasan Piker exclaims, “And that’s how we tie this neatly back to the QAnon Conspiracy. There you go.” “Which is 100 percent correct,” Belden jokes. “No,” Liz and Hasan say. “It’s 50 percent correct,” says Christman, more seriously. “It’s like, 30, 40... 30 percent,” says Belden.
Lol not only are they using TrueAnon (a podcast ostensibly about Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile cabal) as the lefty Qanon podcast (instead of the vastly superior and WAY-more-easily-percieved-as-problematic QanonAnonymous) but they also (wrongly) claim Hasan Piker is a co-host?
Who wrote this dogshit article?
Who wrote this dogshit article?
A guy who's been trying to write red brown alliance pieces for at least four years. A guy who wrote a red brown alliance piece for SPLC that got retracted. And then there's this
I feel like they're confusing the podcast with one of Hasan's streams. I may be misremembering, but I could swear like spring last year Hasan had all three of them as guests one evening. I could be wrong though.
A quick google search of "Brace and Liz on hasanabi" brings up a tweet from Mehmet
https://twitter.com/trueanonpod/status/1278838354742665216?lang=en
I think you figured it out!
QAA has only over the past year really gone mask off on the socialism, though. Before then, I'd have them down as "generic lefties".
By "problematic" I meant you could make a better case they are crypto-fash by virtue of them getting caught up in the Q bans, going to Trump rallies, "promoting Q content," etc. but what you say is very true.
Also the fact Travis and Julian have gone on "reputable" MSM outlets like CNN probably tamp down on any accusations levied against them.
Yeah, I've seen some folks try to use the photo of Julian with the Qanon shaman against them, but...they've taken Qanon seriously since the beginning. They've absolutely earned those appearances and reps as experts, and I think you're absolutely correct that they've got too much "mainstream cred" for that article to come for.
Oh! I just realized, the writer can't come for QAA cuz Will Sommer is buddies with them.
He recently courted a public-relations disaster when he offered a platform to Magnus Panvidya, a member of the Boogaloo Boys, a militant group that threatened violence ahead of Biden’s inauguration.
I'll take "sentences that sound like Felix bits" for $600
the funniest thing about this article, is that Red Scare, Jimmy Dore are not staples of the left, lmao.
Seriously, that would have been a layup for this dweeb “journalist”
Despite all his faults, i don't think Vaush has ever went the "we need to form an alliance with the right to take down the establishment" route like those weirdos
Gotta make sure to characterize the left by using the most obnoxious and contentious possible examples to make people think we're all like that.
They do have a Matt Christman quote completely randomly thrown in there too though.
Chapo Trap House’s Matt Christman avowed in an interview with the TrueAnon podcasters last year: “There are two basic premises to QAnon, one is right and one is wrong, … That’s why I say it’s a 50/50 thing. The premise of, ‘We are ruled by a cabal of cannibalistic psychotic sexual abusers and all the institutions that they create are to further their dominance over us’: Correct. And that ‘Donald Trump is going to stop them’: Incorrect.”
Imagine living through #MeToo and thinking "people in power exploit their authority to commit sexual assault" is a conspiracy theory.
This is, of course, the tip of the iceberg. Far-right blog Counter-Currents noted that @kantbot hosted another “unwoke Left” podcaster, Aimee Terese, who was praised by white nationalist group American Renaissance for retweeting Bronze Age Pervert and supposedly rejecting “the war on white heritage.” Counter-Currents further appreciated @kantbot hosting Sean McCarthy, of the “Dirtbag Left” podcast Grubstakers. McCarthy in turn hosted Chapo Trap House’s Matt Christman on Grubstakers for a two-part episode chatting about QAnon for hours, along with another of their cohort, Nick Mullen. (Neither Terese nor McCarthy responded to requests for comment.) Mullen is fairly notorious for his controversial podcast Cum Town and his use of racist slurs, including dropping the n-word multiple times on Bill Maher. Mullen also joined The Sitdown podcast to talk about pedophilia in Hollywood back in 2018, which a host introduced by saying, “We’re here to talk about probably the biggest cartel that I know of, and it’s full of Jews.”
Mike Recine has hit the fuckin' big time, ayy! :AyyyyyOC-big:
This article is hilariously grasping at straws, it's pathetic.
Yeah I'm looking at that now like what??? I guess it's referring to a Cum Town bit about Bill Maher using the N-word? Funny where the author places blame in this whole affair.
Say what you will about that Cum Town bit, but I think the article should at least mention Nick was doing it to rip on Maher because HE SAID THE N-WORD ON HIS OWN HBO SHOW. It's a fairly important detail.
Yeah one of the funniest things about all these democrat whiners is that they go on bill maher (like neera tanden has been on multiple times) who is just as offensive as anyone they have a problem with, whether it's joe rogan or "dirtbag left" people.
Someone posted the clip on the old sub once -- Nick Mullen started the episode by singing "Bill Maher the n****r guy" to the tune of the Bill Nye theme, and the other hosts riffed on it. It was pretty disgusting, but it definitely didn't happen on Bill Maher's show.
EDIT: this is it, CW: slurs of course
Bill Maher wasn't really making fun of racism, as long as we're pointing things out. The joke was just that he's not tough enough to be outdoors, and he used a slur to make it.
This was in the context of Maher and Ben Sasse commiserating about adults dressing up for Halloween and Sasse suggesting that Maher come out to Nebraska, because they don't do that out there apparently.
I watched this happen, I gotta share just how bad it was. Especially in the context of this author fumbling the facts this badly.
One of my favorite cum town bits. Tho the Cuomo one is of course perfection.
Afterall it would be weird for a centrist lib like bill Maher to have the president of the DSA on his show
Starbucks has cups which say "happy biederman" instead of "merry Christman"!
smh the War on Matt Christmas. Clerks can't even say can't even say "Merry Munchtide" in stores any more.
Article starts off fine (tho Dore, left star? Idk) and then devolves instantly into the always sunny cork board meme. I just wanna cry myself to sleep listening to the chapos at 3 am leave em alone.
This article is a lot of guilt by association a la Gwen Stacy Snider, damn it.
Some is legit - Dore is a dipshit who I don't trust at all, Red Scare is...not good.
And for my most unpopular opinion, Brace in particular is playing with fire, and if there's a mass shooter that comes out of the dirtbag left, it's gonna be a Trueanon fan who didn't quite get the irony level right.
And yet, of those I listed, I only consider Trueanon dirtbag. Dore is doing his own thing, and Red Scare is just "Mean Girls: the podcast". I like Trueanon, and listen to (almost) every episode (Finkelstein I was already very familiar with, so I skipped those), but I can admit it's definitely got the highest potential to cause trouble, and not in the good way.
Oh man, the Finkelstein eps are great, even if you're familiar with him
I was worried I was gonna get too pissed off hearing about what happened to him again if I listened.
Oh haha makes sense. The first episode is all about his early life, the second episode is where all the dershowitz stuff is talked about
Hmm, that's two votes to listen to it, so I think I'll re-download those tomorrow.
Thanks!
Finkelstein
Oh wow I didn't recognize the name at first and thought the bit about him and TrueAnon could be a big deal. Jesus, he says some provocative stuff, but the way the media uses the anti-Semite label against lefties fucking sucks. Nearly had me duped.
How long until Gwen Snider gets invited onto CNN to discuss the chapo-to-fash pipeline?
Idk but I threatened to start a podcast with Gwen Snyder and Charlotte clymer and call it hexbear while I was drunk posting yesterday lmao
they kinda are though
and the article specifies the dirtbag left rather than the left itself so yes, red scare people being fash apologists / doing fash ironics, arent indicative of the left but it is indicative of the dirtbag left
i understand how dumb this article is, and it seems like it has some basic facts wrong but i dont know how "the dirtbag left is flirting with the alt right" is a controversial take in 2021. 2016, maybe, back when lefties were swimming in bad faith assumptions made by libs who had no intention of ever engaging with the dirtbag left in good faith, but i think since then the 2016 "dirtbag left"'s tendency to deny good faith crticism because of lib craziness, is now seen as a wrong, racist/ transphobic/ marginalizing etc choice
also the bill nye n word slurred bit is disgusting and racist. i will assume anyone still finding that shit cute is racist //like would you play that shit in front of a black person? probably not and its definitely for a reason. and if you did and got your shit rocked, nobody would think that black person was out of pocket . also like notice how almost every black person hates that bit and thinks its racist. this shit isnt a joke....
leftists could do with practicing being wrong sometimes, even if your ideological opposition is right. cant be any worse than being a marginalized leftist, witnessing white leftists refuse to deal with real misbehavior actually having to do with your existence (not just your political viewpoint) because they dont want to be seen as wrong
I wouldn't consider the Red Scare mean girls to be the dirtbag left or even left.
You raise some good points.
Particularly with "leftist practicing being wrong sometimes". I don't know if it's because we're so trapped in the "dunk" model of communication, or because Marx himself was both correct and an absolutely tiresome asshole, or because we're so small we're worried we'll damage ourselves and/or the left by admitting we're wrong, but it's almost pathological.
Not admitting fault is a powerful tool on the right, but it doesn't work on the left.
Wait, Alexander Reid Ross wrote this?!
That dude is a loon who sees Nazbols under every rock. I can't believe I didn't read the byline. This isn't even the first time he's written this article!
You can read from exile to dirtbag here, from 2018. It's the exact same thing - guilt by association, in this case basically playing "knee bone connected to the shin bone" to equate Richard Spencer, Limonov, and...the Chapos.
We've been getting breathless articles about how CTH will lead to red fash taking over since they started. It's wild how people who consider themselves good leftists don't recognize that shit like this is just like how CNN panics over Fox News. It's the journalism industry competing with each other by trying to convince the audience the other guy is bad. Also chapo used to literally make death threats to people in the media as a bit for the first 10 eps or so. Of course these kinds of people hate them. They can't sell their brand of "left" journalism when the ebil brocialist left shits on them and makes them look foolish. These people live on selling their credibility as left-whisperers to larger news outlets.
At the very least they're metaphorical cannibals. That's been an established Leftist take since Marx.
Would still register as a TropeCON 2 without it, but yeah, that takes it all the way to TropeCON 1
