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BIPOC Co is working to distribute funds to Kenosha & Madison activists
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(If you are out of the loop, that’s okay! Kyle Rittenhouse is a chud kid who is on trial for murdering two protesters and injuring another in Kenosha, Wisconsin in the aftermath of protests over a police shooting that paralyzed Jacob Blake, a black man. There is a lot of news about the case circling around right now because the trial is ongoing.)
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Please comment any resources, mutual aid groups, etc. And ill add.
"May I add to your resource list a really great website: http://aworldwithoutpolice.org/
And also recommend Assata the autobiography by Assata Shakur. Really shows the pigs for what they are."
Yes, we mean literally abolish the police by Mariame Kaba
##Reading Recommendations
Alexander, M - ‘The New Jim Crow’ (2010)
Davis, A - ‘Are Prisons Obsolete’ (2003)
Jackson, G. - ‘Blood in My Eye’ (1972)
Vitale A.S - ‘The End of Policing’ (2017)
##How to Join
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Questions you should regularly ask yourself when outraged about injustice:
What resources exist so I can better educate myself?
Who’s already doing work around this injustice?
Do I have the capacity to offer concrete support & help to them?
How can I be constructive?
“In The Spirit of Abolition” - Jailhouse Lawyers Speak Calls For Shut ‘Em Down Demonstrations
“Solidarity Doesn’t Mean Making Statements” - Laura Whitehorn On The Material Practice Of Anti-Racism
Also included are some very good theory recommendations:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/angela-y-davis-are-prisons-obsolete
http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/
https://twitter.com/prisonculture
https://archive.is/XUJu8
https://abolitionistfutures.com/full-reading-list
http://www.deanspade.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Building-an-Abolitionist-Trans-Queer-Movement-With-Everything-Weve-Got.pdf
libs are as scared of antifa as the chuds. they think the victims deserved it by being there.
can you imagine getting into the legislative chamber while it's gavalled into session with loaded guns and failing to pass a single law?
inshallah, we'd never be so amatuerish.
It's still kind of amazing that they didn't even have four competent guys with rifles. Apparently the feds intercepted a bunch of people with guns but, like, no one got inside with a rifle? Holy shit I hope congress knows how insanely lucky they are, especially after the Capital Police decided to play "Whatever happens happens"
there were blurry pictures from the day of showing that they got rifles inside lol. it's amazing to me how much stuff gets memoryholed if you weren't literally glued to the right part of social media like it was your job at the time.
Shit I had no idea. I knew about handcuffs guy but I didn't think anyone else with a gun was inside. "Eye witness" accounts are so unreliable. You can't even trust your own memory to be accurate, even minutes after the event.
If there were a leftist president and the numbers Trump was pulling you're damn fucking right the left (actual left) have done the same and it wouldn't have just been a bunch of morons standing around or sitting in chairs. Honestly if 15% were legitimately in support of revolt it would be fucking go time right now.
There was a poll posted here awhile ago that showed that antifa had a lower approval rating than China (something like 10 vs 11%), black lives matter had an approval between 20 and 30%, police officers had >80% approval. All these numbers require a huge proportion of so called liberals to be on the wrong side.
We really need to evacuate Amerikkka. I don't know where to go, but this place is not tenable.
Well, it's not unheard of for socialist/communist movements of a country to move in exile.
because of civic fetishism and genuine American hatred for the oppressed
You’re going crazy because legal-think is so removed from the everyday. I saw a thread talking about how the legally the ruling is correct; and I mean sure, that might be correct, I’m not a lawyer.
But just because something is legal doesn’t make it right, and that’s where the tension is. The legal system is losing validity in real time.
Fuck Rittenhouse and the minivan he rode in on, the game was rigged from the start
Too many law nerds like to pretend laws are consistent and apolitically applied.
They gunned down Michael Reinoehl when he was walking out his apartment, Trump literally called it "retribution", and he was probably doing as much or more self defense than Rittenhouse when he shot his guy but never got a trial which would be a sham because judges can get promoted for conservative bias but not the other way because the Federalist society is a shadowy group has its hands in the appointments of permanent positions.
I dispute that. The Kenosha Killer instigated the confrontation by pointing his gun at Rosenbaum. You can't claim self defense if you started the fight.
"The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
Guy bravely tries to stop an active shooter with a skateboard
"Why did he attack him with a skateboard?!?! Just de-escalate!"
Good guy with a gun tries to detain person who has now killed two people
"Why was he pointing a gun at him!?! He deserved to get shot!"
You know, the person you replied to was wrong about their race, but they're still correct in spirit. Every single Twitter argument I've read devolves into the fascist saying it was OK for KR to fire into a crowd because he happened to kill people with a criminal record. The idea being that because of their pasts, KR was still the good guy. Undoubtedly if the victims had been POC then the fascists wouldn't even feel the need to bring up any records, the victims' skin color would already prove that KR was the good guy with a gun.
Nah the news interogates POC's past all the time when things like this happen. Every time a kid gets shot by the police they tear his past apart to demonize him.
They were race traitors so they don't count.
Also, one was a convicted pedophile and the other two had criminal records, which makes it even easier to other them.
Because the overwhelming majority of white people - lib and chud alike - jerk themselves off so hard to the thought of nobly defending themselves and their property with deadly force against the crazed, invading brown hordes. They're not allowed to even think about just genociding non-whites, so this is the next best thing.
(and the actual race of the victims here isn't relevant, we all know how white folks view "protestors")
They were white guys out protesting the shooting of a black man, so they were race traitors, which is the worst thing a white guy can be.
The kids I knew from school who were a little too into zombie apocapypse fantasies are both now nazis so yeah
It was self defense if you ignore that he had just fucking shot and killed a man. If we had clear video of the first murder it would be very obvious, but we don't, so everyone gets to pretend that he was just defending himself from a skateboard rather than people trying to arrest (in the literal sense) an active shooter.
I'll take this opportunity to say that the guy who got his arm blown off would have died had he not had an Individual First Aid Kit (IFAK). Get an IFAK and get trained in how to use a tourniquet. You can pick one up for a few hundred dollars, which is steep, but cheaper than a rifle and arguably more important.
Most of the responses I’ve been seeing in the libsphere on social media are either “Welllll, it technically was self-defense.” or “The Russian trolls are the only ones winning here.” I don’t know which response makes me more livid.
American kills American in America for protesting against American state repression and is let off in an American court by americans
Libs: russia did this
Really? I know I’m in a bubble but I thought it was mostly a lib bubble. I’ve had random coworkers say today “What the fuck, Kyle Rittenhouse got off.” I haven’t heard a single real person say it was justified.
Lots of extremely online liberals are saying so form of "Justice was served".
Even if it's self-defense according to bourgeois law, that's a legal statement and not a moral one.
It's bad when nazis defend themselves and good when they die.
I think it's self defense in the US justice system, but that just goes to show how utterly flawed the US justice system is that you can barge into a situation with a weapon intending to use that weapon and still get off.
You can't, though. You can't instigate the violence and call it self defense. The case was in no way as one sided as people are making it out to be. This was largely political, as well as being influenced by bad faith on the part of the judge and prosecution.
Repeating a comment I made seconds before the other thread was locked: It’s fitting that a settler can drive hundreds of miles in any direction to a place they’ve never been before, murder people, and call it standing their ground.
Excuse me but it was precisely 35.4 miles that his mom drove him this is slander and libel and you've been fucking owned by facts and logic, NERD
Dude who shot at rittenhouse really let the world down by missing
Imagine that guy having the same trial and not guilty verdict (never gonna happen but still)
It's an old spycraft trick to prevent tailing, long before it became useful for cameras.
Also you'll be wanting to use old, common clothes, bought using cash from a secondhand store.
I saw this coming from a mile away and it still hurts. Genuinely hate this country and all it represents.
knowing it's coming doesn't blunt the rage or the pain. the people who died were comrades. there go we but for a twist of fate. the remaining years of our lives will be hard.
The big lesson here is that you should not under any circumstances attempt to disarm one of these right-wing death squad dorks when they start shooting. Instead, you should shoot them.
Gangs have been using self defense laws to dodge prosecutors since the 90s.
The state operating under white supremacy cannot understand it is absolutely destroying itself. This delegitimization crisis is going to get worse.
My cousin is gloating on social media. Used to be my favorite cousin growing up but she's taken a sharp right-turn in the last couple years after she got married to a massive chud. Genuinely sad about it.
The only way I've been able to even get through an inch with liberals and chuds is by asking if Rittenhouse had a job as an armed security guard. I've only been able to couch the absurdity in the situation in their stupid understanding of jobs, markets, and money. I repeatedly ask if it was Rittenhouse's job to be in Kenosha and act as armed security for the businesses supposedly being looted and burned. So he wasn't? So a guy with a gun can appoint themselves armed security enforcer during a riot and murder people who would rationally get antsy?
It's the only framework I've been able to use that gives them pause for even a second.
It's such a dangerous precedent to set, I can only hope that leftists use this to their advantage (although as we've seen, the punishment for a leftist in this situation is death via cops hunting you down).
If the area you are protesting in allows open or concealed carry, bring a gun.
I said it before but had that other guy with a gun capped Rittenhouse he'd be dead or be getting made an example of in court sentenced to 25 years or something.
If you're a white conservative you have virtually nothing to fear from the legal system. Even most of the Jan. 6th hogs only got a few months in prison.
There's guys in Portland looking at five years for taking a hammer away from a fash and throwing it at a bus. The law will never work in our favor, anywhere. Maybe people will get off, but the odds are always stacked against us.
How long until the chuds start promoting mutual combat laws?
Will dueling come back in fashion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_combat
It's very cool to be reminded that as a white man I can use an illegal gun to "defend" the property of someone I've never met and murder 2 people and walk directly into congress and multiple corporate endorsements.
Anyway if anyone here needs some property defended, let me know.
Compare Rittenhouse to Reinoehl for a good example of what happens
Oh I know, the only thing worse to a fascist/white supremacist than a non white person is a white person advocating on their behalf. We saw that in the 60s and John Brown. I'm just saying I probably wouldn't be gunned down at the scene, maybe just a few days later.
Yeah. This is an issue of intersectionality. It's not like the Nazis were any more merciful to non-Jewish "Aryan" communists or dissidents they came across (if anything, they hated "traitors" just as much).
Conversely, Fascists and chuds have shown plenty of willingness to adopt minority collaborators as their own, since they're upholding their own oppression for them. It's why many of them celebrated David Clarke, or are as obsessed with identity politics as they think "the Left" is. If Rittenhouse were black, and the cops showed enough restraint to not immediately shoot him because "black man gun bad", it's likely we would have seen similar results for this trial.
I'm gonna do escapism now. Sorry everyone. Gonna do nothing but make up stories in minecraft and gmod
Try 7 Days to Die if you like zombie killing with your building.
I've been remodelling homes in the zombie apocalypse and it feels good.
Even ignoring the racism of the case in the most lib manner possible, why the hell are people allowed to premeditate self-defense now? Isn't that driving a stake through the heart of all social obligation? It's a blatant degradation of common morality.
edit: To clear any confusion, premeditated self-defense is not legally supported at all in the United States, but I am concerned that stand-your-ground may be expanded to include it via legislation or through precedent via cases similar to this.
It’s a blatant degradation of common morality.
Don't quote laws to men with swords. They have the tacit approval of the state to kill whoever they want as long as they "defend business"
there are no obligations in a collapsing society. this is just proof that society crumbles and fades.
You're not allowed to "pre-meditate self defense". The verdict was trash, you cannot go looking for trouble, point a rifle at someone, and expect to get away claiming self defense.
I know the law is against that, and the law was ignored in the case, and the vast majority of people will not receive the same special brownshirt treatment. But it might be the next legislative step beyond stand-your-ground, and similar extra-legal defenses will likely be made by fascists in the future.
I mean even if Fascists don't succeed in using a "They were coming right at me!" defense it'll still embolden them to carry guns everywhere and threaten people.
it's legal to kill us now so yeah, never go out without a gun
Everybody get a gun
You should also do it if you're black. Their willingness to be openly armed was a large part of the Black Panthers' power.
There have been some prominent armed protests lead by black people in the last few years. The police won't fuck with two hundred rifleman. They might arrest you afterwards, though.
A bunch of armed rednecks were the only thing that stopped the Nazis at unite the right from overrunning an aid tent. Coincidentally the civil trial of the Unite the Right leadership is happening right now and the idiots don't know what a conspiracy is. They're indicting themselves without any help from the prosecutor.
