However Karl's own thesis describes the material - known as shota - as a genre of self-published erotic comics that feature 'young boy characters in a cute or, most often, sexually explicit way'.
:libertarian-approaching:
However Karl's study even thanks his PhD supervisor Dr Sharon Kinsella - who herself specialises in 'Lolita complex subcultures' at the university - for 'always encouraging him to go where his research takes him'.
:ancap-good:
Some parents were unable to even finish the study's introduction and described the contents 'unspeakably grim' as it documents pleasuring himself in great detail while discussing 'pubescent boys' and 'the period of puberty'.
:libertarian-alert:
This guy needs help before it goes any further
Found a link to the actual study, CW defence of pedo stuff and actual pedo stuff
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/360206602_I_am_not_alone_-_we_are_all_alone_Using_masturbation_as_an_ethnographic_method_in_research_on_shota_subculture_in_Japan
who herself specialises in ‘Lolita complex subcultures’ at the university
Mao was too lenient towards academics.
I actually think studying those people is good. Bering a pedo is not good.
You can't just do sociology at people you like. If you do that you'll never figure things out. You've got to try to disassemble the weird outliers and figure out why they do what they do, even if they're gross.
Her student is jacking off to cartoon child porn and shouting her out in the description, I'm pretty sure they ARE the weird outliers.
Her student being a weird pervert is not enough to hang her over. It's entirely possible that he sought her out because of her area of expertise and she wasn't aware what he was doing. Professors and their PhD students can range from being close friends to barely ever seeing each other to actively loathing each other.
Ahh yes let's study cartoon child porn. Amazing. Not
Like I understand studying why people do such things, but this is clearly not that. This is a guy writing about masturbating to cartoons of boys.
holy shit what the fuck is this part
anthropologists having sex with research participants in order to understand a certain practice, such as anonymous sex (Langarita Adiego, 2019:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321773614_On_sex_in_fieldwork_Notes_on_the_methodology_involved_in_the_ethnographic_study_of_anonymous_sex what the hell
he quotes Foucault multiple times :agony-consuming:
Why the long period and the strict rules of masturbating to only 2D material? Because ethnographic fieldwork demands such consistency in order to yield results in the form of a ‘thick description’(Geertz, 1973) of the field. It was therefore imperative that I kept living within my own 2D world during this sexual fieldwork, without resorting to my usual 3D material, which I sometimes longed for. In that sense, I felt like I was in the physical field of another culture. I could relate to Malinowski, who during his time among the Tro- brianders often felt a ‘longing for civilization’(Malinowski, 1989: 148), or for his own culture as we would say today. 3D is my culture, just like milk and muesli is my breakfast, and not fish and miso soup, which you might be served for breakfast at a traditional ryokan in Japan. I can enjoy both, but I think I will never overcome my preference –I wonder if any of us truly can. And so, it was necessary to be diligent enough to abstain from the ‘milk and muesli’of porn during this experiment, in order to see what happened to my body on a long diet of ‘fish and miso soup’.
kill him :fash-bash: :stalin-gun-1:
The three months of masturbation to shota comics resulted in 30 entries in my notebook. Since this essay focuses on the method as such, I will only recount the main findings briefly and in regards to whether they helped me get closer to understanding the ex- perience of my research participants. Excerpt from my field diary after reading a dojinshi by Shigeru from the ‘circle’,or dojinshi group, Shonen Zoom:
incredibly vile description of child pornography
Started reading on the toilet: Boy who is staying with relatives happens to see his same-age friend masturbate. He can’t let go of this sight ... I continued in bed, arranged the pillows until I was in a comfortable position, a bit ceremonial. ... The boy is now observing Tokio-kun through the window, on the veranda, while jerking off. He slips on the snow and is dis- covered. Tokio-kun angry, but also excited even as he keeps repeating ‘I’m not homo!’. The boy who has admitted to everything has nothing to lose, so he throws himself over Tokio-kun and starts sniffing his cock and licking his smooth balls, and while waiting for the shot I came! (10 September 2021)
thats it im not reading anymore kill him
I'm sorry. I did warn people with the CW though
Be glad you didn't read further
he quotes Foucault multiple times
pedophile
Well, you can't say he didn't understand the source material.
His argument for why he should do this is just straight up gross
CW, justification for pedo stuff
The solution had been there all along, printed in plain language in the interviews –I had just not seen it so clearly. Because no matter how my research participants’ takes on shota differed in terms of favourite theme, preferred age and style of characters, how they related their own selves to the story, and so on, they had one thing in common: almost all of them said that they masturbated to shota material. I tried to inquire about the details of these masturbation sessions, but it was hard to know what to ask, and the conversation sometimes stalled. In addition, it would have been impossible for me to grasp how the intellectual reasoning, for example, of entering an alternative past, was connected to the bodily sensation of masturbation without me ‘doing it’myself. Audre Lorde (1997: 282) has written: ‘The erotic cannot be felt secondhand.’ Indeed. And so I realized that my body was equipped with a research tool of its own that could give me, quite literally, a first-hand understanding of shota
This is all also almost entirely a fucking lie when it comes to how he portrays himself as some kinda clueless Dante figure being lead through this weird sexual landscape, he's been trying to normalize child porn for literally 10+ years including running several magazines about publishing softcore child porn with pictures of actual children, he has absolutely jerked off to children before and did not just suddenly discover he has a dick in his pants in the course of running this joke of a study.
invoking audre lorde as justification for THIS is some real hellworld shit :jesus-christ: : :agony-limitless:
This is the fringe of "L E T P E O P L E E N J O Y T H I N G S" that I will continue to argue against, no matter how many times I get "touch grass" chanted at me. :downbear:
I don't think being against cartoon porn of children should be a fringe position. Even if the cartoons are fictional it's deranged behaviour.
No arguments here.
But even on Hexbear, the "it's almost as if it's a drawing" :reddit-logo: take gets brought up, along with the presumptive take of "the treats do not influence behavior in any way and child predators would be child predators with or without child predator treats" which is basically screaming that normalization and hedonic treadmills don't real. :very-intelligent:
This is even a perfect example of how someone who at least nominally started from a position of not being a nonce ended up getting off to and internally normalizing pedo shit by consuming it and socializing with other people who consume it.
I would even go a step further and say that non explicit loli/shota content that's laundered into more mainstream media is even more dangerous, because it's establishing a norm in its consumers and reaching significantly more people while at the same time providing cover for pedo weebs to proselytize and do what they can to normalize it in more shared spaces. It's exactly like the broader way that predatory outlooks on sex and gender relations are shaped through toxic media and socialization in a patriarchal and chauvinist society, including how mainstream a lot of nonce shit like middle aged men lusting after teenage actresses or high school cheerleaders is.
All over the internet, yes including here on Hexbear, the "entertainment has no effect on its consumers" chants are often very loud, especially when it comes to kiddie creeper media.
Normalization don't real.
Hedonic treadmills don't real.
Just don't criticize the treats no matter what they are and let people enjoy things, so they say. :so-true: :very-intelligent:
And people always fall back on "well studies have shown playing violent games doesn't make someone more violent" which is just fundamentally misunderstanding how media shapes people's outlooks and social mores. Like in games violence is consequence free and usually done by professional violence doers, whether legally sanctioned or fitting into accepted archetypes, so the real impact is the values that are shown: things like glorifying police or soldiers, reinforcing established tropes about violent authorized heroes saving the day, etc. So obviously just consuming stuff that's saying "it's ok when the narratively legitimate violence guys do violence" isn't going to make someone go on a rampage because that's not how that works (but they're more likely to be biased towards thinking that it is legitimate when the officially sanctioned violence man does violence). It only becomes directly dangerous when they get socialized into thinking that they themselves are the legitimate violence man, and that has way more to do with social interaction and far-right radicalization pipelines. And that's not even getting into other toxic things that video games teach, like entrepreneur worship, exponential economic growth or wealth acquisition, great man thinking, and other liberal brainworms.
just going to go ahead and spoiler the paragraph about how that relates to media normalizing sexual violence and nonce shit
Meanwhile stuff like attraction to particular features is definitely related to socialization (as evidenced by how what is considered attractive in terms of clothing, body type, grooming habits, mannerisms, etc shifts over the years), and for a lot of people that socialization is already toxic because it's built on generations of media produced in a patriarchal and chauvinist culture that only fairly recently has even started trying to tone down and/or contradict its normalization of sexual or domestic violence. So someone who's been taught "it's ok to understand other people as nothing but objects of lust" by their socialization is someone who is already on the verge of being dangerous, and normalizing children as an object of their lust on top of that only exacerbates that. I believe the trend of affluent men becoming nonces when given the opportunity is related to that too, like maybe they didn't start from a place of clinically being pedophiles but their predatory outlook, personal power and security, and the normalization of children as acceptable targets for their lust by their social circle and even the media in general (and that used to be a lot worse and a lot more explicit too, like all the infamous middle aged and elderly nonces would have been young men at a time when child porn was still legal and the sexualization of children and/or young teens was even more pronounced in the media) continues shaping them until they act on it when given the opportunity by the Epstein's of the world.
I want to know how many people were inspired to join the police or military by FPS games. That's their real potential to cause violence.
Call of Duty alone might have been a massive recruitment boost. But entertainment has no effect on its consumers, ever. Unlike commercials, because that's different. :very-intelligent:
What you say makes sense and fits the data at a comprehensive level, but that's also why it will be probably ignored for the most part. Let people enjoy things touch grass etc etc.
All over the internet, yes including here on Hexbear, the “entertainment has no effect on its consumers” chants are often very loud, especially when it comes to kiddie creeper media.
People are affected by advertisement and marketing that they consciously hate but are unaffected by entertainment they personally enjoy and find nonthreatening apparently.
The moment the entertainment switches to a commercial, the manipulation begins. As soon as the commercial ends and the entertainment program returns, there is no further influence. :galaxy-brain:
I'm guessing a lot of people here watch some questionable content in their sacred anime treats
There's often the preface of "I'm not a fan of this treat, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut" :doubt:
"Let people enjoy things" is for like media like a cringe book or movie, not child porm
I've seen it in defense of that, too. It's a general purpose thought terminating cliche.
as comment quoted in the article says
'This is pushing the limits of my commitment to academic freedom.'
Lolita complex subcultures
it must be talking about the fashion style right.... :what-the-hell:
Dudes rock
Edit: after reading the article, i rescind this creep's rocking status and also dude status
breaks up with gf
I'm going to masturbate to little cartoon boys now
very common transition. more and more people are making it
is this that "transitional sexuality" or whatever i've been hearing so much about lately
At first I was :volcel-judge: then I was :what-the-hell: then I was :jesse-wtf: then I was :pathetic: then I was :libertarian-alert:
Reminds me of this kid in high school who said he jerked off so much that "my milk dispenser went from vanilla to strawberry"
Advisor: You HAVE to have your PhD thesis topic picked and an outline on my desk in a month. I've already given you too many extensions as it is.
Student: AARRGGHH! I don't give a jack about this thesis paper... Or ... Do I?
:sicko-spin: three months later
it is freak shit but the article is atrocious
why are they approaching "parents" for comment on a PhD thesis? "outraged mothers"? why are they fielding calls for the elimination of 'these kinds of people' from universities?
british :frothingfash: so thirsty for their own 'public schools grooming the kids' panic they're angry over some guy who couldn't be further from educating children doing research in a completely different country
He literally wrote a thesis about masturbating to cartoon children, I'm sorry that's fucked up.
This guy needs help, this is how pedos start.
yeah he's a freak but couching it like 'think of the kids' when phd uni people have zero academic interface with children is bullshit
and theres clearly work for a visual anthropologist in the pedo-erotica publishing environment in japan, this dude just did it wrong imo
and theres clearly work for a visual anthropologist in the pedo-erotica publishing environment in japan, this dude just did it wrong imo
Of course that's true, but you don't study stuff like this by actually engaging in the activity to search for a "deeper understanding", which is his argument in the study. That's nonsense
im not sure where the line between engaging critically and analytically with media ends and inappropriateness begins---i know its before "i locked myself in my apartment and swore off sex" tho :yikes:
an inquiry into the ethics is def warranted but not from the postures presented in the article
You can read the study for yourself, I linked it in another comment here, obvious content warning for him excusing himself for this stuff.
It sounds like someone that got too wrapped up into what he was researching he became it. He even says that the only way to research further was to experience it himself.
Guy really needs professional help
i think we're basically agreed the real question is how it got published? without him getting sent to like mandatory therapy lol
Yeah, how does this get published? How does his supervisor think that him participating in what he's researching is okay? Even in regular research, this is a large red flag. Can't there be tonnes of bias?
And yeah guy should have been sent to therapy and pulled from researching this subject as soon as he suggested it.
i feel like a certain proportion of researchers are probably into the whole "the only way to continue research is on myself!!!" cackling like maniac
dudes will literally turn into a mad scientist before going to therapy
That's almost what he said verbatim. Instead crackling like a maniac he made a joke about it
CW shota stuff
Audre Lorde (1997: 282) has written: ‘The erotic cannot be felt secondhand.’ Indeed. And so I realized that my body was equipped with a research tool of its own that could give me, quite literally, a first-hand understanding of shota
before he goes to therapy we are shoving him into a fucking locker
Sure, but the reporter is shopping it around to get rage comments from randos to take up column space.
There's no "help" for pedophiles. No one can do research on it bc it's so stigmatized (justifiably) that pedophiles generally won't come forward to discuss it. The only population that can really be studied is criminal offenders who get caught. Which creates the same problem for researchers as trying to study misogyny based entirely on studying men who murdered their wives and got caught. So there's barely any useful research, no real treatments, and even if there were no one would risk coming forward to ask for treatment.
The usual "let people enjoy things" :very-intelligent: argument about that is that kiddie creepers would always have been kiddie creepers whether or not they had kiddie creeper entertainment, therefore kiddie creeper entertainment is okay and good. :nyet:
Lol British people are concerned about groomers while their mommy Elizabeth protects her nonce son
Surely a theocratic police state would protect the children better! :ukkk:
It looks like they censored the word doujinshi... did they even bother looking that word up first???
why are they approaching “parents” for comment on a PhD thesis? “outraged mothers”?
The article got shared around mumsnet (like facebook, but almost specifically for British TERFS) hence all quotes from the outraged parents
these people are going to force unis to defend a deeply flawed study & researcher or capitulate and give voice voice to their "concerns" about lgbt representation in unis :doomer:
- why are "parents" reading his paper other than to provide outrage to themselves, 2) lmao why does this article censor doujinshi like it's a swear word
honestly, the censorship might be a smart move. makes it harder for people to go directly from the article to searching this cool new word the Daily Mail taught them
It sounds like she studies lolicon subcultures. The people who make and consume it. Which, bet, there has to be some fantastically weird shit going on in their heads.
However Karl’s study even thanks his PhD supervisor Dr Sharon Kinsella - who herself specialises in ‘Lolita complex subcultures’ at the university - for ‘always encouraging him to go where his research takes him’.
It's true :ancrap:
I actually read the study. It's basically a forum post in formal language and citations. If this counts as research give us all PHDs in Marxism or something
I linked it in another comment, obvious content warning there.
Yeah don't, but I had to see if the daily mail was telling the truth or not. Given their reputation
It looks like they were. A bit exaggerated, but yea...
That one bit about 2D vs 3D is completely indistinguishable from a 4chan shitpost if you take out the citation.
Yeah I saw that, literally reads like some racist incel on 4chan with the miso soup and muslei comparison
