Reminder of the “no sectarianism” rule. There are plenty of actual anarchists out there who aren’t terminally-online shitstirrers.
:left-unity-3:
Radlibs and feds are fair game though.
IRL anarchists are usually way better with their takes than very online anarchists.
I share that criticism as an ML, which is why I consider anarchism to be the beginning and end of communism. It's the ultimate goal, and, if this makes sense, the stem cells, the DNA, the north star. Anarchists are always there to remind me what I ultimately want to build towards using state power for-to destroy the state, and all states:left-unity-2:
I hate this interpretation of MLs.
We don't love states, that's why we're fucking communists to begin with, we want a stateless, currencyless, classless society of abundance.
The problem is that we need a proletarian state in order to defeat the bourgeoise states in order to get ourselves into a situation where we won't be utterly fucking crushed when we try and create that kind of society. States are bad, proletarian states do bad things too, we know that, we just also see it as impossible any other way, we want to end the proletarian states as well, that's the point, but we need to end the bourgeoise states FIRST.
Anarchist: opposes the state
MLs trying not to be sectarian: "Well clearly they don't actually mean that."
We are trying not to cause any fights, don't be like that. We also do oppose a state, we just see it as a means to an end, something to be used for protection and a base.
We also do oppose a state, we just see it as a means to an end, something to be used for protection and a base.
This is literally what state and rev is about isn't it?
ive found that anarchists and mls have conceptually distinct definitions of the state which is the crux of the pointless arguing.
what, are you saying that socialism is, in fact, when the government does stuff?
Nah this meme is stupid and in retrospect, even adding to this shitstorm was in poor taste. Hexbear is the best left unity site because we ignore sectarian differences and generally agree not to talk about them, and posting cringe takes from self-proclaimed anarchists is just going to lead to this largely-communist site arguing over what "real anarchists" believe.
It's because nobody has read state and revolution so they'll just say "yeah lol w/e" to whatever shitty meme you show them and go back to doing sick skateboard tricks and spray painting walls
serious answer is, my conception of anarchism rejects the state as such, but it also requires of the anarchist that we be well-read. i can reject lenin without caricaturing him.
this is where someone thoroughly M or L or ML or especially even MLM (which has quite a focus on thorough cultural revolution) asks genuinely, how exactly can you educate, build and hold together an anarchist society when the entire outside forces can pick you apart from any which angle through any myriad of persons and apparatuses, near purely because you have a moral/philosophical obligation to disarm yourself from the tool of state power?
Learning the extent to which the "outside forces" will fight, kill, rape and destroy any attempt at revolution played a large part in my transitioning away from anarchism to ML. When empires/global apparatuses of anti-communist violence like the US exist, I don't see any other way.
if its far from uncommon then they have problems. and what do you mean by your last statement?
No they read Prisoner of Azkaban, which is basically the same as reading Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung
which is basically the same as reading Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung
I have a copy of that, and suspect I'm missing a joke, but is it not a good book? Haven't read it yet.
Any of Maos quotes are good. Was making a joke about liberal theory being harry potter
In my expirience when someone uses "bucko" it's either
A. :up-yours-woke-moralists:
or
B: Chuck Tingle Fans.
Who knows, maybe Synthwave Enjoyer also has good taste in Romance novels.
Pounded In The Butt By The Bourgeoisie Who Is Also Exploiting My Labour
Pretty sure this was originally a meme of Peterson saying "clean your room" which is why it says Bucko
r/Marxism and r/Shitliberalssay are both solid ML subreddits with vibes that are similar to Hexbear threads minus emojis.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of r/CTH refugees wound up migrating to SLS. I know I did.
used to be, now they are banning MLs left and right for opposing NATO and shit.
SLS is? They regularly shit on Ukraine nerds. I don't know about r/marxism.
i don't know how much bleach you have to drink to read State and Revolution and come away with that message
like wtf it has a coherent definition of the state that's clearly distinct from "socialism is when the government does stuff".
socialism isn't when the government does stuff, but it sure would be nice if our government did some stuff.
Well, the government does do some stuff. Like bombing brown people.
I only read half of it, but I'm pretty sure none of that book talks about the government doing stuff.
mfw everyone's parents were secretly leninists :wolff-shining:
I don't get it? Are they saying we should keep our unguided anti-authoritarianism?
this is barely parseable, like an alien trying to interface with human beings
