I'll start with one that doesn't seem directly related but correlates so closely that I can't help seeing the "tell" as a warning: putting "kappa" in a sentence like a punctuation mark. I've never seen an online conversation that started with that tell and didn't wander into final solutions and 14 words if it went on long enough. I know it's a :freeze-gamer: thing but it's not like there isn't already a wide overlap between :freeze-gamer: and :frothingfash: .
Agreed. Even outside of them obsessing about furries existing and all the violent retaliation they want to do with furries, it's pretty much always packaged with general :frothingfash:
get the feeling they just say furries because if you didn't begin the sentence with that people worry about you when you just spout out a graphic murder fantasy
again it's super weird they just selected a fetish at random to have murder fantasies about.
I remember when :freeze-gamer: Gate era chuds were having digital pogroms about otherkin in particular. The modern transphobic panic has roots in it, and that's where we get the "dae le attack helicopter" eternal chud joke.
oh I remember that. psychotically deciding to just focus targetted spite and hatred to some teenager's tumblr blog even if the whole otherkin thing was weird and a bit new agey it was ultimately harmless and just hyperfocusing hatred on it was deeply uncalled for
I was a bit of an edgy liberal back in the day but I take some comfort in knowing that even back then I felt deeply uncomfortable with the "hey look this is an easy target let's bully them" fad.
When I send material to The_Dunk_Tank it's almost always about some rich fuck that could use some discomfort in their life, like :my-hero: or Chris Roberts.
I was kind of into it back then but my family didn't get a computer for some years later so I was basically into the version of it I would hear about in school
That's understandable and I'm glad you eventually cleared out those :brainworms:
I always found that to be Chuddy, not least because I had a friend at the time who was and is a fairly committed otherkin. It was particularly strange seeing it come from self-proclaimed transhumanist.
Like if you are a transhumanist and don't want people to be able to become elves if they want what are you even for? Varying forms of "Everyone is a toga-wearing elf around crystal spires of tech so advanced it looks like nature" is your entire idelolgy!
There's a remarkable cognitive dissonance with :my-hero: style transhumanist types. They want to live forever and have superpowers but are scared to death of d-word slurs using similar technology to be the kind of beings they always wanted to be. The brave new world can conquer the galaxy, maybe the universe, but it must be a 1950s :grillman: :us-foreign-policy: hellscape or it's wrong to them.
i just want bio-genetically engineered horns and cool working demon wings because it would be sexy and fun
The furry hatred was a major thing in early 2000s internet culture like Something Awful, and everyone who was involved in that either grew up and became a commie, or never grew out of the edgelord phase and became a fascist, no in between
Last I checked, the remaining SA community consists of furries with left leanings. Lowtax finally dying really changed the site's overall vibes, but it does have a lot of buried skeletons.
The site's vibe changed long before Lowtax died, he stopped doing anything for it years ago.
I wasn't sure when the vibes changed. I checked out of it a long time before that and only peeked in much later, primarily because there was an active and ongoing Star Citizen dunk thread that compiled a lot of useful links and references because so many SA people got burned bad by the grift and were pissed.
Like Flashglitz's animations? They look and act like they Rip Van Winkle'd in 2009 and woke up just a little while ago.
Two things I've experienced irl.
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The phrase attack helicopter
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Worried about "increasing crime rates"
As I get older, I'm seeing the second one a lot more
Worried about “increasing crime rates”
Any yet, never worried enough to do anything about all those mass shootings.
It's really weird. I live abroad now, and I know someone from the UK (older than me) who just watches videos of people in the US apparently just walking in and stealing things from stores because nobody is following the law anymore.
A family member (older than me) describes the well off suburb we grew up in as a mad max warzone that is essentially parallel to what the UK guy described.
When I ask people my age who are still living there, they have no idea what I'm talking about and say it's the same as it's always been.
These people are plugged in to some freakish media.
campaign as TOUGH ON CRIME
get elected
immediately remove all street patrols, legislate to make wage theft a felony and divert all resources to arresting any cappie reported on wage theft tip line
workers' lives have never been better
get assasinated by a hog for being too tough on crime because it started affecting whites
mfwBoomers watching the local news 5 times a day thinking they’re being informed but not realizing they’re just listening to the cops all day
Speaking of crime, they will shout that they want women to receive jail time for false accusations of SA, but they don't want jail time for white people who falsely accuse black people of crimes.
they will shout that they want women to receive jail time for false accusations of SA
Perjury is already a crime, though???
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Complaining about people not liking them "just because of a difference of opinion" and then never elaborating on what the opinion is.
I call this “context flattening”. Complaining about the morality of a general trend of events to deflect away from the specifics of a current event, usually because the person doing it is implicated by those specifics. Happens a lot with “cancel culture”. Like, literally list out in your head all the situations which people have referred to as someone being “cancelled”. The context is abstracted away to make this seem like a Thing That Happens. It’s a complete construction.
"That's just your opinion" :very-intelligent:
"I'm just stating facts" :very-intelligent:
Usually guys who're chuddy and have hang ups over women refer to them as "females" rather than women.
Yeah, this one's very common and the ones that claim it's to be "scientific" or especially "the military does that" have :brainworms:
Any whiff of sadism, even ironically or with forced humor. Mentioned to my 80 yr old neighbor about the flooding in CA a while ago and he said "Hopefully it will take out some immagants ha ha"
Admittedly the immagants part was, but I've met people that just like to see others suffer. They get a gleeful look on their face that's quite unmistakable.
(CW:Child abuse)
I once saw my ex father in law sit on my 10 year old step son with his knees on the kids shoulders and taunt him until the kid was screaming and he and his wife would just laugh and laugh while my ex just sat stoically. And naturally he was a chud/libertarian out in the boonies. He had a look on his face that is the same I see on anyone that likes that kind of thing. I see it on conservative politicians and religious and business people's faces every day.
Yeah, it's horrible. Same people will turn around and go "what about the Tsar?" 5 min later like that isn't a topic of anguished debate on the left about the necessity of violence.
Don't the more fedposty aspects of this site where people talk about wanting people they don't like to die horribly count as sadism
Maybe, but it's about the suffering and violence included that raises the flag. I'm perfectly content for all billionaires to pass away peacefully in their sleep tonight.
The difference is that ron desantis could start passing trans rights laws and I would not longer wish for him to be blown up by an ied. Removal of threatening people is expedient way of removing threat. Quicker than getting people to change minds. You can't become un-gay or un-black or whatever group chuds hate. It's means to an end vs an end in itself
If you're seriously equating a trans guillotine meme with some chud gloating about dead brown people, you got some privilege to check.
No, I don't think they do count. It's a reaction and a way to cope with all the fucking horror that happens in the world that will never see any justice. The only thing you can possibly do to cope is to wish that justice served a thousand fold... but ultimately, you know it's never going to happen. I would exchange all violent fantasy, past and future, for those awful things to never have happened, but I can't do that either.
Any whiff of sadism, even ironically or with forced humor.
"That's just how I cope with the dark side of life!" :grillman:
Smh the kink community once again getting victim blamed.
If someone's kink is knowing that someone somewhere else is suffering horribly because of chud brutality, I think I'd make an exception to the "no kink shaming" rule.
Nah, I'm just making a joke about how linguistic drift has fucked over kinksters, not at all trying to forgive or excuse fash violence. In fact, that's also another side of the same coin in this problem.
The word sadism originally refers to a specific kink of inflicting pain, humiliation, or embarassment on a willing and enjoying partner, but it has been repurposed as a means to describe violently antisocial behaviour.
This linguistic muddling is deliberate, as it casts people who are into sadomasochism as being cruel and abusive to those around them, while also providing cover to those who fantasize about and perform antisocial acts.
Any whiff of sadism, even ironically or with forced humor.
I fucking hate Justin Roiland.
using the term "transgenderism", any interest in or references to "roof koreans"
Also just prior to the riots a Korean shop owner shot a young black woman in the back of the head because she thought she was shoplifting, although she wasn't.
Not even a woman, she was a 15 year old girl
The owner attacked her, threw a stool at her and then basically executed her as the girl tried to escape
It really does suck that American attracts like a magnet the most reactionary portions of every nation in the world. Gusanos, compradors, rightwing "small business owners", self-hating non-white white supremacists, etc.
If I only interacted with Cuban-Americans I would be tempted to become racist, but luckily I have met with some Cuban comrades and doctors while traveling throughout Latin America and it's night-and-day. They really did kick out the worst parts of their nation and dump them into America. Korea, Vietnam & China did this as well on a smaller scale, with a lot of the compradors fleeing to the US when their local power waned.
Basically small business owner vigilantes who sat on the roofs of their businesses during riots and shot at “looters” and protesters.
I like watching history youtube. Sometimes I'll find a new channel, start watching videos, and everything seems fine at first. Hey, they're talking about ancient human migration and how different groups influenced other groups, this is interesting. But then sometimes they start talking about haplogroups just a bit too much and I start to get a queasy feeling that the channel is going in a direction that I'm not going to enjoy.
"Ancient aliens" must have built anything that they did but not the wonderful things that we did. :morshupls: :us-foreign-policy:
Oh for sure, any indication that they don't think any people group with darker skin than a paper bag couldn't have built impressive ancient sites is a giant red flag, a flashing light, and a klaxon siren.
I should add that the thing that gets me about the haplogroups is that it seems innocent at first. It's interesting to see how groups of people migrated across the millennia and what effect they had one one another culturally, and DNA is a way of seeing who met and mingled with who. So the first couple of times, in the right context, it seems perfectly reasonable and quite interesting. But then I start noticing it comes up kind of a lot, and I start having questions about this guy's preoccupations and what point he might be driving at. So it's more sneaky than the ancient aliens thing, at least in my experience.
Yeah, I call it the Pottery/Calipers Ratio, and it must be kept above 1. Real archeologists are all about the sherds. Because cultural diffusion is ultimately more important that the eye color of a particular hunter gatherer goup.
Mainland Africa doesn't have any giant impressive fortifications because colonizers blew them all up and looted them for treasure.
Do you have any history youtube recs? I gave up on it a long time ago lol.
Sometimes I consider putting my history degree to use and start a youtube channel but ehhhh I don't have the time/don't want to deal with certain aspects of the youtube community
If you ever start a channel, I'd love to watch it! But I certainly understand deciding not to wade into the weird world of being a youtuber. As for recommendations:
*fashion history and actually constructing garments (as you can probably tell, this is a particular interest of mine): Abby Cox, Bernadette Banner, Elin Abrahamsson, Nicole Rudolph, Morgan Downer, Karolina Zebrowska
*bad history debunking, also random topics in history: miniminuteman
*often a focus on LGBTQ history, but not always: Kaz Rowe
*experimental archaeology, kind of I guess? Specifically in Scotland: Fandabi Dozi *Chinese history, also sometimes pop culture criticism: Xiran Jay ZhaoI also use youtube to watch old episodes of Time Team, which I adore. Timeline World History Documentaries are a mixed bag. There are some that are interesting, and a lot I pass on.
Happens a lot in construction. When someone says another person is "too sensitive" or "too serious"
Every single fucking person I have ever met in my life that I had prolonged contact with that condemned me in person for being "too sensitive" or that I "can't take a joke" wound up being a fucking fascist sooner or later. :doomer:
The type who always tells women and minorities to lighten up but goes into a long rant if you so much as joke that white people can't handle spicy food.
:so-true: "You fuckin wot, m8? I'm British so nothing offends me!"
:I-was-saying: "Jellied eels are gross."
:frothingfash: "HOW DARE YOU THERE ARE SO MANY HISTORICALLY COLONIZED POPULATIONS THAT MAKE DECENT FOOD WITHIN OUR DECAYING EMPIRE"
Anime PFP, using the term woke, being a "centrist", being against elites but not capitalism
Never heard about the use of "kappa" then again I don't stray to far outside of here and :reddit-logo:
Anime PFP
This often seems to be a coin toss between comrade and chud, and the sharp divide is weird.
Rule of thumb for anime pfp's:
Character in pfp is trans/gay (basically :stfu-terf: ) = Comrade
Character in pfp is cute girl (especially K-On! or Girls und Panzer) = Nazi
Some chud culture warriors sometimes take a trans character (Bridget being the most recent and high profile example), go :awooga: with the avatar, and then deliberately misgender the character as if that'll magically make the trans identity go away.
Right but that makes them really obvious. In terms of dogwhistling only terminally online people would know that a K-On! pfp means Nazi lol.
I unfortunately fear that Bocchi the Rock might be the new k-on for fash.
We really can't let them claim cool things without a fight.
But also identifying with BtR kinda undermines a lot of their self-identities right?
I have a communist friend with Senjougahara pfp (because he is into dominant women).
Monogatari pfps are a special case, where the age of the character in the picture is the main determining factor. :libertarian-alert:
Whats the consensus for JoJo characters? Namely Gyro Zepelli (asking for a friend).
Most JoJo fans are either weird or cool weird, there is not other option
I feel more chuds use the pedo bait anime girls or the one nazi magical girl character
The chuds that do that almost always perform a lot of chud identity politics, too, especially with signaling chud virtues like le steak and le whiskey. :libs-owned:
My dad's cousin right now. Was pro-native, etc. before. Now he's a vaccine-skeptic misogynist weirdo.
Maybe they're out of touch? No, it is the wokes/feeemales/d-words that are wrong. :grill-broke:
I got dumped 8 years ago. At times my mind definitely wandered to blaming my ex and then women in general rarely.
In the end, it felt so damn heavy to carry around all this hatred for my ex, that I'd actively wish to be thinking about something else.
Admitting to that kind of weakness is both a sign of strength and a good indication that you can move past it better than :grillman:
This is more of an attitude than a "fact", but the biggest red flag to me is obsessing over categorizing people.
But how am I supposed to know if I hate someone if I can't put them in a box?!
If they say female. especially in contexts where girl/women would make more sense or roll off the tongue better
Having English as second language I am still not sure when you use the one and the other. So I use female more as describing normative stuff in culture, as stuff is assigned as female.
“Female” is generally a more formal, clinical term. You’d generally see it used in paperwork or medical/scientific documents moreso than day-to-day speech.
For instance, you’d see sex indicated using “male” or “female” on a hospital intake or on a passport specifically. “Girl” and “Woman” would be the go-to for more conversational contexts.
Basically, if "female" is used as an adjective, it's fine. If it's used as a noun, that's a red flag. A good way to check is to try putting an "s" on the end of the word and see if it makes sense. "I wish people realized that more females drone pilots isn't actually an advance for women's liberation" that doesn't make sense, it's used as an adjective, modifying the noun "pilots." Vs. "Oh hell yes, there are some females at this bar." Oh no, using the plural s makes sense in this context, you're using it as a noun and now even if nobody else can see it, I can see an invisible fedora sitting on your head. If you can pluralize it, it's a noun.
I'll criticize them plenty, but in the context of "they need to be doing X Y and Z" and being disappointed or frustrated with them
The fact that I think dem politicians actually just need to go in the hole along with the gop doesn't need to be stated right up front lol
You're on to something.
I can count on one hand with fingers left to spare how often in my offline life "I hate liberals" actually resulted in "I'm a leftist and liberals are to the right of me." :sadness:
“Liberty”
Also if someone goes out of their way to make it know that they’re not racist/LGBTphobic/etc (“so I was talking to my friend who’s GAY the other day,” the rest of the story has nothing to do with them being gay), spend enough time around them and you’ll find out they actually are
Similarly, some of the grossest male sex pests I have ever met (Joss Whedon/Louis CK style "jerking off in front of someone uninvited isn't a problem unless the audience is too prudish") had to announce, unprompted, that they were feminists(tm)(r)
So hilarious/disturbing to hear old conservatives mention a black person's race whenever they are brought up in conversation. Especially American Southerners ofc. Like they'll say it if it's a positive comment to be like "hey I can have a positive thought about a black person, not racist btw"
