• UlyssesT [he/him]
        ·
        1 year ago

        But they're not motorized chainsaw blades so according to one visiting galaxy-brain we need to pack it up because we've been checkmated. no-choice very-intelligent

        • krolden@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          So I'm just reading through the comments here and I'm like wow lemmy has gotten much more based somehow where are all the libs. Then I realize y'all are from hexbear I had no idea it got federated. Hell yeah!

    • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]
      ·
      1 year ago

      the-democrat “The latest request from the Biden administration shows America’s continued commitment to helping Americans here at home and our friends abroad”

      frothingfash "...but God help them if those friends try to come here!"

  • ZapataCadabra [he/him]
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    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Please Jack, another $40 million or Lockheed Martin is gonna JFK me. biden-alert

  • duderium [he/him]
    ·
    1 year ago

    Can a single liberal offer a single example of how anything in the USA has improved since Biden became president?

    • spectre [he/him]
      ·
      1 year ago

      (not a liberal, but) The infrastructure bill was mediocre but should lead to some improvements over the next decade or so.

      They recently protected some indigenous land from uranium mining.

      Ummmmmmm, anything else after the last 3 years or so?

      • AOCapitulator [they/them]
        ·
        1 year ago

        improvements? Or the decay and collapse of the very walls around us will be a bit less bad?

      • JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]
        ·
        1 year ago

        The annexations in Ukraine are illegal, but Russia annexing 5 oblasts and Ukraine being locked into a status as a neutral buffer state is not exactly a Hitlerian take-over of Europe.

        • Farman [any]
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          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Its not ilegal in russia. Legality is not a real property of things its the opinion of the guy with the biggest army in the area. Thinking otherwise is brainworms

          • JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            No, annexation is illegal under the UN charter, of which Russia is a signatory, and wars of aggression are criminal in and of themselves. I'll condemn the illegal annexations performed by Israel and other states, and Russia's annexations fall under the same boat.

            To be even more clear, I do think that Russia would have won fair referendums in Donetsk, Luhansk and certainly Crimea. I doubt that would have been the case for the other two oblasts. Still, all of those annexations were illegal. Just because the neo-cons have flouted the UN charter in favor of the ad hoc "rules-based order" doesn't mean others should.

              • JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]
                ·
                1 year ago

                What's your point, that Soros is a hypocrite? That was always obvious. Is he more of a zionist than the average American lib though?

              • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
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                1 year ago

                It's always funny seeing people post that image without the context that Palestine declared war on Israel alongside all its neighbours and attempted to push the Israeli population into the sea.

                • mkultrawide [any]
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                  1 year ago

                  And Ukraine kept shelling civilians in Donetsk despite signing Minsk 2.

                  And that's not even taking into account that Israel has continued to annex new land despite it not being a war.

                • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  The correct response to a settler colonial ethnostate being founded in your region by Britain is to try to destroy it.

                    • CredibleBattery [he/him, comrade/them]
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                      1 year ago

                      i wouldnt call it an attempt, Israel is sure as hell succeeding in killing and displacing a lot of Palestinian civilians and also running the world's largest open air prison

                    • Awoo [she/her]
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                      1 year ago

                      Ending the existence of an illegitimate country built on stolen land has nothing to do with genocide. You're doing the fascist ethnostate thing where you act like a state and its people are the same thing. States come and go, people remain, the ending of a state has nothing to do with harming people.

                        • Awoo [she/her]
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                          1 year ago

                          Ending the Israeli state is not ending the people. Fuck off. 21% of the "Israeli people" are arab you fucking racist shit, but you're not including them when you say "Israeli" are you? No.

                          I absolutely will not apologise for calling you racist. Whether you know this fact and are saying this shit knowingly or whether you're just utterly oblivious to what the conditions are in Israel doesn't matter. Oblivious racism is still racism.

                            • Awoo [she/her]
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                              edit-2
                              1 year ago

                              What the fuck do you think happens when a country ends? The people magically disappear? Jesus fucking christ.

                              When we communists successfully end america do you also think we're aiming to perform unlimited genocide on the population? Are you out of your mind? Am I as a UK resident communist trying to murder the population of the UK by ending the British state?

                              Fuck me liberals are completely politically illiterate. Please read some god damn books instead of white billionaire-owned media and reddit comment sections.

                              • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
                                ·
                                1 year ago

                                Do you really genuinely believe that the current Palestinian leadership would not perpetrate a genocide against the Israel people if they had the power and opportunity to do so?

                                The destruction of the state of Israel to be replaced by a fair socialist democratic order would obviously be a positive outcome, but there is no entity in Israeli, Palestine or the entire region with even the remotest hope of accomplishing that.

                                The Israeli government is largely a house of neoliberals and fascists, and the Palestinian governments are various flavours of theocracies and ethnocracies, some with a socialist history but they are certainly not socialist now.

                                liberals

                                How dare you

                    • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
                      ·
                      1 year ago

                      Israel literally funded the far right extremist organizations because they'd rather fight them than socialist resistance. It's Israel's fault they're like that.

                      • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
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                        1 year ago

                        And I suppose they managed this even before Israel came into existence? They have always been like this. The original leaders of the Palestinian government in the Arab-Israeli war were largely fascist anti-communist agitators.

                        It might very generously be Israel's fault that they're still like this, but that does not change the reality of the situation.

                        • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
                          ·
                          1 year ago

                          It might very generously be Israel's fault that they're still like this

                          That is what I'm saying and that is what matters.

                          but that does not change the reality of the situation.

                          The reality is that Israel is a settler colonial ethnostate genociding Palestinians and it shouldn't exist.

                          • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
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                            1 year ago

                            Sure, it shouldn't have been created, but it's here now, and the majority of people living in it were born there. We can't make it go away by wishful thinking.

                            • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
                              ·
                              1 year ago

                              Do you think dissolving Israel would require relocating everyone? Thats like saying the only way to fight white supremacy in the US is to kill or relocate all the white people.

                              • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
                                ·
                                1 year ago

                                History has proven time and again that given the opportunity, the nation's bordering Israel in every direction (save possibly Lebanon) will try to either annex Israel or restore the entirety of it to an Arab nationalist muslim government.

                                Should such an event come to pass, the displacement of the entire population would be a best case scenario. The Jewish population of Syria and Jordan are both zero, and Egypt's is less than 20, down from several hundred thousand between the three in 1948.

                                There is no way to interpret the Hama's charter other than incitement to genocide.

                                The major factors preventing another Arab-Israeli war are tensions with Iran, Billions of dollars in US military aid, and the nuclear weapons likely owned by the Israeli state.

                                Dissolve the Israeli state, and unless you replace with something similar, and those factors will no longer stand. Compromise the territorial integry of the new state to any serious degree, including ceding the west bank to a Palestinian state, and Israel becomes militarily indefensible.

                                • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
                                  ·
                                  1 year ago

                                  "Israel has to do genocide or the people Israel funded might to genocide"

                                  You know Israel could just try to be a pluralistic society that doesn't do genocide or apartheid right? But then it wouldn't really be Israel would it?

                                    • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
                                      ·
                                      1 year ago

                                      Well, Israel could start funding socialist opposition who wouldn't do sectarian violence to them if apartheid ended. It worked with Hamas, it should work the other way around.

                                      And other things that won't happen because again, Israel is a settler colonialist ethnostate bent on exterminating Palestinians.

                                      • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
                                        ·
                                        1 year ago

                                        No amount of money is going to change attitudes that severely without some sort of forced indoctrination. It didn't work with Hamas, their attitude was there from the start, and years of Israeli and Iranian funding has only helped them remain one of the major Palestinian political organisations.

                                        And please, Israel is an apartheid state sure, no arguments here, but the Palestinian population is one of the fasted growing in the world. They are entirely at the mercy of the Israeli state, and if the Israeli goal were to exterminate them as you say, they would have had some results in the past seventy years.

                • Awoo [she/her]
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  "The indigenous americans shouldn't have fought back against the settlers if they didn't want to get exterminated."

            • Farman [any]
              ·
              1 year ago

              If russian law considers they are part of russia and the russian army is siting there russian law applies there. Thats how it works. If another army is sitting there then legality is whatever those other guys say.

              Pretending otherwise is denying realty.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        I'm from Europe, this is fucking nonsense. Please can the US piss off and leave the rest of the world alone? You caused this in the first fucking place and then you act like you're on moral high ground by supporting the continuation of it with the deaths of tens of thousands of people over lines on a fucking map. It's abhorrent. Let's not get started on how the US very obviously blew up German infrastructure to cripple Europe and vassalise it. Don't pretend that any of your support is for any of our benefit thanks. You've literally ended european prosperity and fucked the continent for the next 50 years.

  • Parsani [love/loves, comrade/them]
    ·
    1 year ago

    An expansion of the Child Tax Credit that focuses on the 19 million children who are shut out of the full credit because their families’ incomes are too low would come at a modest cost. For example, making the current law $2,000 credit fully available to these children would cost roughly $12 billion per year in 2022, according to the Joint Tax Committee estimates.

    • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
      ·
      1 year ago

      Sure, we could end child poverty with a snap of our fingers, but what if we stoked the flames of global conflict so we could privatize and exploit the poorest country in Europe? All it costs is their dead children!

  • Roody15@reddthat.com
    ·
    1 year ago

    Where is the off ramp here? Despite billions and constant propaganda Russia is not going to lose this war on the battlefield.

    How much money and how many people are we going to just send to their deaths just because prolonging the conflict weakens an adversary to US.

    It’s really sad :(

    • jackmarxist [any]
      ·
      1 year ago

      Russia will lose any day now. Their army has been routed and they're constantly fleeing the lines. Hundreds of thousands of Russians are dead or zero-summed while Ukraine has no casualties. Ukraine is marching towards Moscow and this war will end with Putin Putler shooting himself in the head! Slava Ukraini!

      Inb4 anyone calls me a tankie for supporting Biden sending tanks to Ukraine.

    • YaaAsantewaa [love/loves, comrade/them]
      ·
      1 year ago

      We were in Iraq for 20 years despite it being so unpopular and illegal

      The off ramp is whenever the defense contractors start losing money and it's not profitable anymore

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
      ·
      1 year ago

      Ya know there's a country called Ukraine that's involved in this, right? They are people defending their country and they're going to do that with or without US support. And Ukraine will win in the end. Russia doesn't have enough to successfully occupy Ukraine against an organized resistance which is where things could go without military aid from the west.

      While a resistance would ultimately be successful, it would take a decade or more. And it's likely a Russian occupation of Ukraine would involve genocide. Do you want that?

      Sending military aid isn't about trying to change the outcome of the war. Russia's defeat is inevitable. The military aid is about helping Ukraine defeat Russia sooner, without the need for a prolonged resistance campaign, and that reduces the loss of life.

      • ToxicDivinity [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        When you say that Ukraine will defeat Russia do you mean Ukraine will occupy the Donbass and impose a government on them that those people don't want?

        You do know that there's a region called Donbass that is involved in this right? And they've been fighting for their lives since 2014. Why don't you care about those people?

        • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
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          1 year ago

          It seems unlikely that the people of Donbass do want to be a part of Russia now that they've had a taste of occupation.

          Being conscripted, given third rate equipment or no equipment at all and being send to die is not generally an endearing act.

          • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
            ·
            1 year ago

            Being conscripted, given third rate equipment or no equipment at all and being send to die is not generally an endearing act.

            This is what Ukraine's coup government has been doing for over a year at this point.

            • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              You don't get to instigate a rebellion using your own intelligence and military assets, and then invade your neighbor and claim that you never did, that's just bullshit.

              This entire conflict was instigated by Russia.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                ·
                1 year ago

                It's very hard to invent a movement in another country. Were they backed by Russia from the outset? Obviously, but they had real reasons to be upset with what the new administration was doing. This is a little like dismissing the people who disagree with you as bots, it lets you avoid needing to consider that some people might have good reason for opposing your favored side.

                • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
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                  1 year ago

                  Yes, absolutely it was. There have been many books and publications featuring interviews and even video footage of Russian soldiers from the outset of the war. Here's an interview:

                  https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/07/i-was-a-pro-russian-separatist-fighter-in-ukraine/374411/

                  And Russia seized crimea right afterwards. Coincidence? Nope.

                  And let's not forget how they"separatists" somehow were operating Russian military air defense systems.

                  Igor Girkin was found responsible for shooting down MH17 by a Dutch cour.

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63637625

                  ... But he was a Russian commander who controlled the so-called Donetsk People's Republic armed forces.

                  Russian authorities on Friday detained Igor Girkin, a former Russian commander in Ukraine and prominent war blogger, reportedly on charges of promoting extremism — marking the first time Moscow has taken action against a fervent supporter of the war in Ukraine but one who voiced loud criticism of Russian leaders and their often botched military strategy.

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/07/21/russia-arrests-igor-girkin-ex-security-officer-who-led-operations-ukraine/

                  "Girkin, who is also known by his nom de guerre Igor Strelkov, is an ex-officer of the Federal Security Service, or FSB. He played a role in Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014 and then served as a commander in Russian-controlled areas of Donbas in eastern Ukraine, where he helped foment a separatist war and was accused of extrajudicial killings."

                  Russia used their guys to instigate a rebellion. If you think all rebellions are free from outside influences, you are sorely mistaken and shows complete naivete regarding the current conflict.

                  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    I just said they were Russian backed from the outset, but that does not mean Russia invented the sentiment wholecloth.

    • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
      ·
      1 year ago

      Why won't Russia stop the war?

      Why did Vladimir Putin claim that Ukraine isn't a country?

      Why does Russia purchase Iranian suicide drones, and launch drone and cruise missile attacks on Ukrainian cities every week?

      Why do Russians want to kill all Ukrainians when they were considered brothers 2 years ago?

  • TheMage@lemmy.ml
    ·
    1 year ago

    More money being pissed away on Ukraine? Wow. That Zalensky guy must have photos of a naked Biden with some White House aide or whatever. This is a joke and a massive abuse of US taxpayer money. When does this end? How is the US benefitting from this? Oh, we aren’t at all. Hmmm. I wonder if there is something behind the scenes going on here? Like some other motive? I mean, it’s the Biden’s….. sort of a shady track record.

    And don’t gimme a bunch of whataboutisms either. Don’t care. This Ukraine thing is a farce. Enough. We’re done.

    • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
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      edit-2
      1 year ago

      How is the US benefitting from this?

      Draining the resources of geopolitical rival without dead troops, weapons exports and lucrative contracts for reconstruction.

      You should read war is a racket https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

      The guy who wrote it, smedley butler, was a highly decorated major general

      Capital loves war which is why the US has been at war for something like 92% of its miserable existence. Of course the average person gets fucked

    • Sasuke [comrade/them]
      ·
      1 year ago

      How is the US benefitting from this?

      well it's making europe reliant on US energy, for one (with all the ramifications that entails)

    • Fuckass
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      1 year ago

      deleted by creator

    • Farman [any]
      ·
      1 year ago

      The high energy prices mean its no longer profitable to run heavy industries in europe. So the us is cannibalizing some of german industry. Thats the profit the us gets.

    • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      It's kind of funny seeing these kind of comments on Lemmy and playing the "alt-right or tankie" game before you see someones instance.

      What we as the west get from helping Ukriane, is soft power in that it sends a message to other dictators around the world that we won't just sit back and let them plough into another country, and while we might not start WW3 over it, we will support them to make it hard as possible for you.

      • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
        ·
        1 year ago

        Maybe you should stop plowing into other countries yourselves, you bloodthirsty psychos.

        • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
          ·
          1 year ago

          The UK hasn't invaded anywhere in almost two decades, what are you waffling about.

          • Bnova [he/him]
            ·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, invasions are out of fashion. All the West does is make a country's development contingent on their willingness to let the West exploit their natural resources and labor and then cut said development if they fund a social program or coup them if the "locals" are uncooperative. All after gutting these countries for hundreds of years via colonialism. You don't need to do an invasion when you can just put a noose around the neck of a country.

            Oh and the West still does invasions look at Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. And UK special forces have been in Syria, the Sudan, Nigeria, and others as recently as last year.

            https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/23/uk-special-forces-have-operated-secretly-in-19-countries-since-2011

          • Bakzik [he/him, comrade/them]
            ·
            1 year ago

            Average neoliberal Pirate. Your bloodthirsty country should return all the gold and art that was stolen from all around the world.

            PD: Read about neocolonialism.

            • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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              1 year ago

              Yeah neocolonialism the thing Russia is attempting right now. If you oppose neocolonialism you should oppose Russia.

              Or do you just hate western countries for fashy past grievances reasons?

              • Bakzik [he/him, comrade/them]
                ·
                1 year ago

                Hey, Space Neoliberalist. If you ever touch some real theory (instead of reading Harry Potter and The Washington Post), like Lenin. You would know that this is an inter-capitalist conflict (you know what that means?). If you think that USA is helping in good faith (and not in the interest of colonialism exploitation in the long run), you are an idiot.

                “fashy past grievances reasons”

                So denouncing the crimes of the west is fascist now?

                -“Hey USA shouldn't have supported dictatorships in Latin America with their Plan Cóndor, or helped in the coup against the democratic elected Salvador Allende. Or dropped two atomic bombs in two civilian cities, or having the highest incarcerated population doing slave labor, or burn with napalm villages, or puting children in cages in the border, or….”. I could be all night talking about USA crimes. A whole month with the Nato members crimes.

                -”Shut up fascist.”

                Is always projetion with you liberals. Scrath a liberal, and a bloodthirsty nafo fascist bleeds.

                • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  The problem with "both sides" arguments is you tacitly admitting your side is wrong when you do that.

                  Yeah sure the US shouldn't have done those things in the past. But these are past grievances, which is the cornerstone of fascist thinking. "Our present day horrible actions are justified because of the horrible things others have done in the past!"

                  Whatever US and any other NATO members did wrong in the past doesn't make what Russia is doing today right.

                  Also, why should Ukrainians suffer so that Russia can expand their empire?

                  I have no doubt about the ability of fascists to go on and on about past grievances. But what grievance do you have with Ukraine specifically?

                  • Bakzik [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    The brainworms are strong in this one.

                    You clearly didn't read the Lenin book I linked and, by seeing your activity in here, you are close to the ban.

                    So I just want to say that is so fucking funny that you think that the passing of time exonerates USA from their crimes. I mean, how much time has to pass? They are still putting children in cages, invading countries, having the highest incarcerated population, making coups in foreign countries, etc.

                    But let's follow your logic, and let's wait a few years. That way all the Russian crimes will be just past grievances.

                    Let's just do that.

                    Fascist pig che-smile

                  • Farman [any]
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Why should ukranians suffer so that the us can expand its empire?

                  • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Whatever US and any other NATO members did wrong in the past doesn't make what Russia is doing today right.

                    It was wrong for the US to coup Ukraine's government, but also wrong for Russia to intervene to stop the coup government from killing civilians after like 8 years, got it.

                    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
                      ·
                      1 year ago

                      The people of Ukraine got tired of being a Russian puppet state and removed Putin's crony. The instant they did that Russia started taking territory from Ukraine.

                      You're weird little narrative only works if you believe that Ukrainians don't have a right to self determination and believe they shouldn't have sovereignty over their land. This is simply Russian neocolonialism, Russian imperialism, and Russian Fascism.

                      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
                        ·
                        1 year ago

                        The people of Ukraine got tired of being a Russian puppet state

                        the pre-maidan government was not a puppet. europe and russia were both courting ukraine for her resources and president what's his ass took the better deal that putin offered. if that makes it a puppet government, what does that make the coup government where the US picked high ranking officials?

                      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                        ·
                        1 year ago

                        You're weird little narrative only works if you believe that Ukrainians don't have a right to self determination and believe they shouldn't have sovereignty over their land.

                        Your weird little narrative only works if you believe the denizens of Crimea and Donbas don't have a right to self determination and sovereignty over their own land.

                        This is simply Russian neocolonialism,

                        Neocolonialism isn't just "colonialism happening today". Neocolonialism is what the west is doing having Ukraine sell off its land and industries in bulk to foreign capitalists via privatization.

                  • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    Bud I'm begging you read one serious academic text analyzing the rise and system of fascism, before you do something embarrassing like call indigenous people complaining about what the US has done to them fascists for airing past grievances.

              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Holy shit at least look the fucking word up in a dictionary before you try to turn it around on someone else you buffoon

                Even if you were going to butcher the term 'colonialism' THAT'S the one that's relevant if a country is being occupied militarily.

                WHY DO YOU SPEAK AT ALL. YOU NEED SO MUCH READING AND LISTENING BEFORE YOU STOP SPEAKING NONSENSE. INVESTIGATE WHAT YOU SAY AAAAAAAA stalin-stressed

            • Farman [any]
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              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Except that in this case they are saying that while killing someone.

              • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
                ·
                1 year ago

                AKSHULLY right now I'm just repeatedly stabbing a man. We can't know for certain if he's actually dead until I'm done.

          • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
            ·
            1 year ago

            Tell that to Yemen.

            Also 'we haven't invaded anywhere in the very immediate past (though the genocidal war criminals who perpetrated our last invasion are still important and celebrated public figures)' is a pretty fucking weak justification from a country insisting on being world police.

          • duderium [he/him]
            ·
            1 year ago

            Have you heard of scotland/wales/northern ireland?

            • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
              ·
              1 year ago

              Scotland were willing participants in an act of union what formed Britain you absolute melt.

              • duderium [he/him]
                ·
                1 year ago

                Don’t worry, it’s not like half the people in Scotland want to leave the UK. That could never possibly happen! Imagine! Voting to leave a huge unpopular imperialist neoliberal organization! Utterly preposterous! Could never happen in a million years!

                • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  One that they were happily part of for several hundred years don't forgot. They had a referendum and decided to stay, you can't keep running them every few years until you get the result you like. Besides Scotland leaving the UK and the resulting chaos of negotiations will make Brexit look like a walk in the park, the SNP aren't honest with their voters about that.

                  • duderium [he/him]
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    you can't keep running [referendums] every few years until you get the result you like.

                    That’s where you’re wrong 😉

                  • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    you can't keep running them every few years until you get the result you like.

                    That's literally democracy. Why do you hate democracy?

                    • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
                      ·
                      1 year ago

                      It's a form of democracy, but how many systems practice full direct democracy on every issue all the time?

                      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                        ·
                        1 year ago

                        National self-determination is an important issue, so if many people support secession, you should hold frequent votes on it

                  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    you can't keep running them every few years until you get the result you like.

                    Haha self-determination goes brrr

          • HornyOnMain
            ·
            1 year ago

            We were literally in Libya bombing civilians and training al quaeda cells just 12 years ago

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
            ·
            1 year ago

            They were in Afghanistan until 2014

            https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/war-afghanistan

      • RonJonGuaido [none/use name]
        ·
        1 year ago

        It's kind of funny seeing these kind of comments on Lemmy and playing the "alt-right or tankie" game before you see someones instance.

        huh, i see comments like yours and i think "lib moron" and then i don't give it another thought.

      • ZapataCadabra [he/him]
        ·
        1 year ago

        that it sends a message to other dictators

        What message is America sending to the dictators that we bankroll while they perform genocide using US equipment and training?

      • Bobby_DROP_TABLES [he/him]
        ·
        1 year ago

        won't just sit back and let them plough into another country

        Do you think the west has a genuine interest in consistently enforcing this or do you just not care when people you like do it?

      • YaaAsantewaa [love/loves, comrade/them]
        ·
        1 year ago

        Only white countries though, when it comes to black people and brown people you don't give a rats ass, there's still dictators all over the world that none of you even give a s*** about

      • TheGamingLuddite [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        That's fine but why are they banning socialist parties, integrating fascist paramilitaries into the army, and privatizing land? That all seems a little familiar.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Yeah we've really cultivated a lot of prestiege on this one, the west definitely hasn't absolutely embarrassed itself and unified large swathes of the world against it. And hey, it only took like three rounds of sabotaged peace talks and and multiple generations of Ukranians fed into a big novelty Northrop-Grumman branded meat grinder.

      • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        it sends a message to other dictators around the world that we won't just sit back and let them plough into another country,

        You mean like the collective west did to Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya? Who's supposed to send the message to our dictators when it's time to stop?

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        we won't just sit back and let them plough into another country,

        only WE plough into other countries USA! USA! USA!

      • Farman [any]
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        1 year ago

        You could say the same thing but with putin sending the message and it would be more acurate.

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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      1 year ago

      When does this end?

      When Russia is defeated.

      How is the US benefitting from this?

      It's sending a message to authoritarians. Don't invade countries or we'll send the other country stuff to make it go badly for you. This has a chilling effect on authoritarians, making them refrain from this kind of activity. This improves global security, which results in better trade, which improves the global economy. The US being on the globe benefits from this.

      Also, do you like how much you're paying for groceries? Could it be this war is causing a disruption in grain supply? You know that stuff that goes into bread, the feed that cows eat, etc? Yeah, I know people on the internet are all blaming their own governments (in basically every country, LOL) for high grocery prices, because no one wants to say that's it's Putin. Sure there is probably some assholes jacking up the prices more than necessary, but do you think all the corporations and all of the governments got together and decided to do this? Nope the inflation, the high grocery prices, it's because of Putin's bullshit.

      Not to mention all of the influence campaigns Russia is running on the internet. You know where you're constantly being influenced by the internet towards burning down the capital of your own country? That's a disinformation campaign designed to destabilize NATO countries. Taking down Putin will lessen that buillshit. I say lessen because after seeing Russia's success other countries like China are getting in on that game now too. But one asshole at a time.

      • ZapataCadabra [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Don't invade countries or we'll send the other country stuff to make it go badly for you

        Man I wish someone sent that message to the US before they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, carpet bombed Syria and Libya, and funded various forms of jihadist militant groups for the past 20+ years.

        There's exactly one county that's been toppling democracies and bankrolling dictators for almost a 100 years and it's amerikkka baby.

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        And people were worried when CatholicSocialist got banned that we wouldn't hook any more whales

        • Flinch [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          We should keep this one around, he's kinda funny, when he's not dropping the epic chungus racism one-liners

          • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
            ·
            1 year ago

            I just noticed that this is an away game lol

            Not really our call here if they stick around or not shrug-outta-hecks

      • windowlicker [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        yeah its definitely putin's fault everything is more expensive and not corporate greedy price-gouging. remember, everything is putin's fault! the west is perfect!

      • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        You know where you're constantly being influenced by the internet towards burning down the capital of your own country? That's a disinformation campaign designed to destabilize NATO countries.

        Seeing how you NAFO psychos behave has actually completely convinced me that the only path forward is to burn DC (and Langley) to the ground and that NATO must be dismantled if there's ever going to be lasting peace. Congratulations.

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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          1 year ago

          Not Langley! That's where I live! LOL

          A little secret, don't tell anyone... I'm a member of NAFO because I bought some stickers from their website. Everything else you got going on is just paranoid delusions that you came to by reading too much glavset propaganda on the internet.

      • Gorillatactics [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        It's sending a message to authoritarians. Don't invade countries or we'll send the other country stuff to make it go badly for you

        Help i fucked up, I accidentally sent the stuff to the Saudis not the Yemenis who being invaded.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    He will get nothing, probably expects nothing, but the positive press is there. biden-troll

  • notceps [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    It'd take 37bn USD a year to end world hunger. I'm also sure that if you are a ghoul and don't care about that 100bn in investments would have a far bigger return on investment if they I dunno fixed their failing infrasctructure, used it to offer free healthcare, free education or literally anything. I've since stopped counting the amount of 'lethal aid' the USA has given but by now the USA could've combatted world hunger for about 4 years. Priorities I guess gotta pump up those MIC stock prices.

    • GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Remember when Elon pretended to care about this and tweeted at the UN about how he'd give billions if they could produce a report showing how they could use $6 billion to help alleviate world hunger problems? And then he didn't do anything except self-deal?

      https://truthout.org/articles/musk-pledged-6b-to-solve-world-hunger-but-gave-it-to-his-own-foundation-instead/

      • notceps [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I'm shocked, I thought melon-musk was a stand up guy who wanted to uplift humanity.