I'm seeing a massive leftward shift in /r/politics now that election is over and the Biden consent manufacturing astroturfers have left.
Every third comment is a solid progressive take, lots of class conciousness.
Now since this is an independent community, and we cant be banned for brigading, what do you guys think about manufacturing our own consent.
Below is an example of an informational post that can bring communist ideas to potentially thousands of people if it is made one of the top-voted comments in a post with 10k+ upvotes.
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Austerity, privatisation, financial deregulation and loss of labor union power is what is causing America's problems. Please read these texts, they offer an alternative view of society and solutions.
- Communist Manifesto (30 pages) - https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm
I know you think "communism is scary" and "communism doesnt work" etc, but just read the Manifesto, just give it a try. At the very least, it gives an idea about what communists want, why they believe what they believe.
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Albert Einstein "Why Socialism?" - https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
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ABCs of socialism - https://s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf
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Excellent video that debunks most of what people "know" about socialist states and socialism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP8CzlFhc14&list=PLvNQvOq4XvUQ_oo_NISIXrB351pYUwyPp&index=1
If you guys think this is a good idea, ill pitch it to the mod, we can make a sticky that contains all the comments to be brigaded.
Yeah, the Manifesto slaps, but it is dated and without a fair bit of historical context it can be hard for modern people to relate with it.
A spectre is haunting Europe -- the spectre of Communism. All the Powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Czar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.
Like, who the fuck is Metternich or Guizot (or the Czar for that matter)? What is it about their rule in particular which makes them stand out as the faces of evil? Someone living in the time period would understand the inherit rottenness of these rulers, and the contours and totality of their conspiracy to oppress and lord over the masses, but nowadays? These are just names. Hollow, empty names. Unless you crack open a bunch of history books or podcasts, it can get very esoteric. This is particularly true for USians, which for the most part recieve little to no formal education on 19th century Europe. We might touch on the French Revolution briefly, maybe the Napoleonic wars (if lucky), but beyond that, nothing. We talk about the industrial revolution, but it is almost completely contextualized around the US.
I'm not one to say we need to dumb things down for the proletariat. I'm just a humble manufacturing worker myself and though it didn't happen overnight, this stuff all makes sense to me. But we have 150 years worth of literature and propaganda to choose from. We have the ability to write our own literature too. Pamphlets, manifestos, books, blogs, etc. If anything we should be talking about the unholy alliance of Schumer and McConnell, of Bezos and Purdue. We need shit that connects to the here and now just as much as we need shit which roots our struggle in the world-historic conflivt of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.
Bukharin's ABC of Communism is another good Manifesto replacement. Particularly good is how it focuses on the destruction of small/artisan production and its replacement with massive, monopolized factories. A lot of people can agree with those points, but only the right wing talks in this language.
The destruction of small production is good tho, and massive factories are the fundamental basis of improved standard of living
It’s hard to argue against Einstein being intelligent.
That socialist's name? Albit Einstain. And then everybody clapped.
true, and if someone is receptive to the ideas, they're eventually going to read that anyway. Its far better to post stuff that doesnt completely ignore the past 150 years of history and has relevant anecdotes for the present. Like yeah, I'm a nerd, I enjoy reading about people's contemporaneous feelings on the decades leading up to WWI, and how much of a different world they thought was possible and who was able to correctly predict what'd happen. Most people don't give a single shit about that sort of thing though, and would much rather read theory that discusses Bezos, the 2008 economic crash, the gig economy, and other relevant stuff to them, rather thoughts on if the new unified germanic empire has more revolutionary potential than prussia.
The Manifesto did nothing to radicalise me tbh. State and Revolution was way better
I honestly think we should be brigading a lot more, it only takes like 200 people to meaningfully alter the comments of a thread, even ones that are fairly big and on /r/all.
No reason we should cede one of the biggest websites on the internet to rightwingers.
I agree 100%. Brigading won't even need to be deliberated on like this if we get big enough. It will arise naturally, like the old "post hog" or PPB.
Hot take, I don't think the Communist Manifesto is the best thing to read for someone who doesn't know shit about that sort of stuff, because it doesn't say that much that is concretely relevant and easy to understand for someone today who doesn't know history and can't easily make the connection between then and now.
Its literally 170 years old, there must be something more relevant we can recommend.
It's not that it is irrelevant exactly, it is just that it requires some effort to understand the relevance, which defeats its point as an intro text.
Exactly. An intro text is supposed to spark someone's interest and get them to crack open more thorough texts and histories. If you have to crack open the history and background text first in order to get that spark, it isn't going to happen for most people.
someone write the tldr version of the communist manifesto quick
This is a good idea, but what you need to do is create the environment where the neolibs accuse every left of them of coming from here. Let them do the job of pushing people here.
So what your saying is, we should screenshot this post and put it on /r/neolib or /r/drama to stir shit lmao
yea, if you have a reddit account with history that isn't too visibly left, please do this.
Or just go there and find views you agree with and post "oh great another chapo.chat raid" in response.
Post MLK quotes, libs will feel guilty for downvoting.
It might be more productive to message left-leaning people you find there and lead them here. Someone mentioned r/chapotraphouse to me a couple of years ago on r/politics and that was a massive factor in my radicalization.
Same with me, some chapo was shitting up some liberal sub I was in, even though they were eating downvotes they were so adamant and staunch in their opinions. I checked out the sub and completed the transition from socdem to commie. My entire political view ended up shifting because some chapo couldn’t help himself and argued with a liberal on some random subreddit.
Getting dismissed as a chapocel on r/politics is what sent me down the Chapo pipeline.
i'd help, but i now seem to have been permanently rangebanned on my home, work VPN and phone IPs, so i shan't be interacting with that paedophile website ever again
edit: forgot to mention that my offence was posting "cis people should be genocided" in r/196 lmao
You should brigade r/196, it was/is very basedIt's quite succinct and well-written. The language may seem outdated, but I've yet to read any other manifesto that doesnt talk down to the reader, or reads in an apologetic manner.
If you try to do this, don't copy-paste the same example post or whatever, try to at least go in and change the wording a bit, tailor it for the conversation, etc.
We should have a stealthily named comm that post links from new to push over the top. Might want to put a minimum post count to view it so there aren’t lurkers checking to see what’s happening. Just something like 10-15 posts to unhide it.
This is kinda based off of what I’m reading in this thread, but it seems a lot of people here think the manifesto is dated and unintelligible for people today, which I kind of agree with. So should we like “re-write” it? Like make our own communist manifesto for the 21st century?
It would be lovely, but evading bans on that sub in particular are a headache and a half.
Yeah gotta make an alt account and pad it first with some more innocuous stuff. Pick a sub that you can comment on in earnest to build plausible deniability and comment frequently so it looks more organic. (My main is already banned from /main and /news)
How though. How can you look at the liberals circlejerking and saying shit like “you can’t trust a single statistic coming out of China” and “Bush wasn’t perfect, but I could have a beer with him” and not immediately start calling them American swine
how many active users does this site have? I see 24 online now... you need 4chan numbers at least for a brigade
I mean what would a brigade be if not what all of us are already doing: post, post, post
I may be wrong but I think the Online :## is whoever is on the current page. The home page has a higher number, around ~700
Usually the currently online hovers around 800-900. Much fewer post though.
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