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They're not concerned that they're Nazis, they're just concerned about the public perception and how SEEING the nazi-ism makes them uncomfortable (but to reiterate they DO support them)
Edit: I didn't realize Hexbear blocked images like that.
”Why do they keep putting the black sun on their flags?”
Because they're Nazis, it's not that hard to figure out.
We can't see these images they need to be posted as links or embedded into lemmy instead.
With that said I can guess the content. The thing that bothers me most about the way they want them to hide their nazism, as if it's just an aesthetic, is that none of them think about what these nazis are doing out there. I don't mean that in the sense of participating in the fighting but in the sense of the war crimes these nazis are definitely performing. None of them stop to think what kind of horrors the average open nazi in america would get up to given the wartime conditions where they can get away with it. These people are reaping unspeakable horrors upon the civilians they come across.
Considering symbols they moved to a "clean SS" myth by now. In the entire mainstream media.
Already do, Bucha for example. They don't even hide their special purge squads.
You can click the fediverse button to see them on their own instance.
just a side note, if you view source you can see the URLs and load them in another tab
That's right, if they're fighting fascist Russia then they better start showing Hammer and Sickle flags because, you know... the USSR and Communism kinda played a huge role in obliterating nazism back in the day.
100% pure NIMBY. "I support these fascist wholeheartedly, but I wish they had more decorum about it so I didn't have to worry."
This is true, it's part of Ukrainian culture to display Nazi symbolism.
the pagan religion being nazi satanism and the history being from the 1930s but those are just details
This is literaly that homer meme again lol.
Captured [random village here], a huge day, a great victory!
Reality:
Thousands and thousands of dead, more mobilizations including women.
dozens of precious "indestructible" western tanks lost,
took so long it is now the rain season so they can't advance anymore
the target was supposed to be the land bridge to Crimea and cities like Melitopol.
Don't ask what is going on near and around Kupiansk for the last 2 months.
Don't ask what is the former name for Artemvosk lol.
A lot of the young people fighting/dying in Ukraine right now were radicalized through NED-funded child summer camps that were covered in the international press before 2022. Even the Guardian has a video on youtube about this still.
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I don't doubt it but I'd love to have some source about the NED funding.
more mobilizations including women
antiwoke tankies saying gender equality in land-mine casualties is bad!
I am bracing myself for "actually you are denying the agency of Ukranian women by..." ect
It probably comes as no surprise that the 3rd Assault Brigade is an Azov spinoff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Assault_Brigade_(Ukraine)
I saw some lib coping on twitter like “we control the village quick go grab the black sun! Come in guys the tankeez are gonna use this to say we’re nazis!” Lol
tankies will say just because you use flags designed by Himmler you're a Nazi. What if they just like him for his work as a chicken farmer
Not only would libs make this joke, they wouldn't wonder at all why these guys were carrying around that flag.
I don't see a village behind that giant nazi symbol they're holding
It looks like there were 5 houses in the village at some point which have been destroyed now.
Heeey remember when Ukraine was building space rockets for USSR? What wonders does Free (tm) Market (tm) bring!
there's this village that they have been fighting over a the initial stages of their attempt to take the azov sea region. Their original plan relied on them taking this village months ago because they needed to take it in order to safely reach the begining of the Russian defences. So now they have it but it required three divisions and months longer than they planned for
so technically it's a success but the fact it's happening now and the way it happened is indicative of their offensive being dead in the water
The point is more the background - have they taken the village, or have they taken the rubble of what used to be the village.
I saw a picture of the village a few days ago. The impression I got was that it has been pretty heavily shelled but also it looked like it was not a nice place to live even before there was a war. A little column A a little column B
We won this bombed out town. This calls for the Black Sun flag
How did they end up like this, anyhow? It's weird to think there isn't more animosity towards the guys who shot at their great-great-granddads or whatever.
- USSR goes to shit and collapses
- you give up your nukes
- you allow shock doctrine into your country
- you embrace capitalism, but you never rise up to your former soviet standards
- your politicians blame the failures of capitalism on a country that no longer exists and ideology that is no longer a competition
- capitalists in the west keep pushing anti communism into your country
- communism and nazism is branded as the same thing
- but then your politicians run out of heroes to praise now that communism evil
- government gives surface level praise to Makhno because he fought both sides, but is also anarchist so they can’t praise him too much
- last resort is to start praising Nazis because they wanted “Ukrainian independence”
My basic understanding of it is if you think both capitalism and communism failed, there is one ideology left to try, and these people have been indoctrinated with "communism bad and doesn't work" for the last 30 years. The collapse of the Soviet Union would be a sign to the uneducated and/or propagandized that communism doesn't work, and the last 30 years of Ukrainian history have made it clear that capitalism doesn't work. Depressed civilians then turn to the last major ideology that is coincidentally being propped up by both national and international interests, and you have the absolute disgrace that is Nazism and fascism in Ukraine today.
I wonder how they come to terms with their ancestors died fighting so Ukrainians don’t have to be enslaved by Germans
There was a non insignificant segment of the Ukrainian population that sided with the Nazis when they invaded (UPA, OUN-B), mostly in the western part of the country). These guys very much enjoyed a good war crime against Poles, Jews or Russians, enough that they were willing to ignore the Germans killing other millions of other Ukrainians, most of whom did heroically defend their homeland alongside the Red Army.
After nazis lost, Stalin annihilated these bandit groups. He and Beria were extremely thorough in laying waste to the collaborators. However in the years since the fall of the Soviet Union the more nationalist/nazi-adjacent side of the Ukrainian government is continuing the tradition of their nazi collaborating ancestors and turning the OUN-B into the patriotic martyrs.
These groups were also funded by the CIA throughout the cold war of course.
I think expat communities have something to do with it. I was listening to a podcast about modern reactionaries and nazis the other day, and they did an episode about Slavic Native Faith. The Ukrainian brand was started by a Ukrainian, but took off in the States long before it gained a foothold in the motherland.
animosity towards the guys who shot at their great-great-granddads or whatever.
Oh you mean Stalin
watch this .. , this random guy in 1990 explains it like nobody else has mangaged since ..
https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1580565535288307712
Not trying to undermine your point, but I wanted to see who the person who posted this was, and god damn it's laughable that she puts these two on the same level. https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1546173566516768768
Edit: lmao she's married to Richard Spencer
It's wolf, so it's logical there would be wolf trap above! And uh, a sun in the back of course, no matter why it's black! Checkmate tankies!
Nono that is actually a cleverly designed logo meaning "national identity", clearly the name of a run-of-the-mill militia, it just happens to look like a Nazi sign.
leftists: there were war crimes being committed in ukraine before 2022, the country has a real nazi problem. please look up the UN reports
liberals: i refuse to do literally any research myself but theres definitely no evidence for that lol ur basically a capitalist
Every country has a Nazi problem. India has a Nazi program. The US has a Nazi problem. Ukraine has a Nazi problem and a Jewish leader, and it's being attacked by Russia, a country with a larger Nazi problem.
No, Ukraine has the most Nazis in power anywhere on Earth. They control the dept of the interior, the intelligence services, the upper brass of the military and are revered as heroes. Nowhere else on Earth has Nazis like Ukraine
If Russia has a bigger nazi problem, why is it Ukrainian soldiers who keep getting caught wearing nazi symbols? If Russia had a bigger nazi problem, I'd expect to see an absolute flood of pics of Russian soldiers wearing black suns, but we don't. Where's the equivalent of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko wearing a nazi patch, or the idolization of Bandera?
I've seen one picture of a Nazi fighting with the DPR, also there's the Rusich Group which is like a few dozen people.
But that's about it, the rest of the Nazis were from the Ukrainian side from what I saw.
Buddy, even just casually paying attention you should have heard 'Wagner Group'. Maybe you're just not looking too closely.
Russia used and then decapitated a fashy private military company, Ukraine hails their Nazis as national heroes and incorporated them into their government and military. I believe the claim was that Russia has a bigger Nazi problem. It should be no problem to find a mass of evidence of this - after all, Nazi symbols pop up constantly on photos of Ukrainian soldiers, yet when you ask about Russian Nazis you just get the same couple pictures again and again. Is the Rusisch group really comparable at all to Azov?
There are more images of Ukrainian Nazi symbols than Russian Nazi symbols for several reasons, including:
- The conflict in Ukraine has received more media coverage than Russia's involvement in the conflict, resulting in more images of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols being circulated in the media[1][5].
- The use of Nazi symbols by Ukrainian soldiers has been a controversial topic, with some arguing that it highlights the country's complicated relationship with Nazi imagery[1]. This has led to more scrutiny of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols, resulting in more images being captured and shared.
- The Ukrainian government has condemned the use of Nazi symbols by its soldiers, while the Russian government has not made similar statements about its soldiers[1][3]. This may have led to more attention being paid to Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols.
- Some far-right groups in Ukraine have been known to use Nazi symbols, which has contributed to the perception that Ukraine has a "neo-Nazi problem"[6]. This perception has led to more scrutiny of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols.
- Russian propaganda has falsely claimed that Ukraine is a Nazi state, which has led to more attention being paid to Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols[1].
Overall, the greater media coverage of the conflict in Ukraine, the controversy surrounding the use of Nazi symbols by Ukrainian soldiers, and Russian propaganda have all contributed to there being more images of Ukrainian Nazi symbols than Russian Nazi symbols.
Citations:
[1] NYT on Ukraine's Nazi Imagery: It's 'Complicated' - FAIR.org https://fair.org/home/nyt-on-ukraines-nazi-imagery-its-complicated/
[2] Is there any truth to Russia's 'Ukrainian Nazis' propaganda? – DW – 12/03/2022 https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-there-any-truth-to-russias-ukrainian-nazis-propaganda/a-63970461
[3] Illia Ponomarenko: Why some Ukrainian soldiers use Nazi-related insignia - The Kyiv Independent https://kyivindependent.com/illia-ponomarenko-why-some-ukrainian-soldiers-use-nazi-related-insignia/
[4] Why Have So Many Neo-Nazis Rallied to Ukraine's Cause? | Opinion - Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/why-have-so-many-neo-nazis-rallied-ukraines-cause-opinion-1804642
[5] Nazi Symbols on Ukraine's Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html
[6] Commentary: Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem - Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY
Damn, really running defense for the nazis there.
Yes there are a shitload of photos of open nazis in the Ukrainian army, but "it's complicated" I guess.
not like that Mr. I wanna demonstrate the Central Point !
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Even if that was all true, why don’t we just let the nazi countries fight each other? Why on earth are we funding, training and arming any nazis at all?
What percentage of the Ukrainian population are you writing off as Nazi's? Which country would you have a problem with Russia invading and swallowing up if not Ukraine?
I am completely opposed to arming, funding and training nazis, full stop
