I got a good one yesterday talking to a lib when I described herding in the context of polling (when pollsters drop outliers to conform to what other polls say). Yes he trusts polls in 2022. They're "reputable companies." He really, really wants to believe the Dems will win the midterms.
Anyway I wanna hear your best ones!
I got so mad arguing with libs at reddit - I made the following comment for them. I slightly edit it when I re-share it. But only tiny changes are needed. To save space - I'll use the spoiler tag in this comment...
The US is a beacon of democracy? Really? Do you have receipts for that? I have receipts that it's not and you don't need to read a book to see it. You can learn that in less than a minute. Sorry, I can't prove it in seconds. The US and the CIA has done too much vile and evil shit to make that possible.
United States involvement in regime change
1941–1945: World War II and the aftermath
I know, I know. "The page is too long." I'm ready for that. Please just scan the table of contents from WW II to now. At least scan it for ~20 seconds to see how bad the US (and the CIA in particular is). I'll make it easy as pie...
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1941–1945: World War II and the aftermath
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4.1 1940s
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1941–1952: Japan
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1941–1949: Germany
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1941–1946: Italy
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1944–1946: France
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1944–1945: Belgium
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1944–1945: Netherlands
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1944–1945: Philippines
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1945–1955: Austria
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1945–1991: The Cold War
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1940s
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1945–1948: South Korea
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1945–1949: China
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1947–1949: Greece
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1948: Costa Rica
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1949–1953: Albania
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1949: Syria
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1950s
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1950–1953: Burma and China
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1952: Egypt
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1952: Guatemala
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1952–1953: Iran
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1954: Guatemala
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1956–1957: Syria
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1957–1959: Indonesia
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1959–1963: South Vietnam
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1959–1962: Cuba
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1960s
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1960–1965: Congo-Leopoldville
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1960: Laos
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1961: Dominican Republic
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1961–1964: Brazil
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1963: Iraq
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1965–1967: Indonesia
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1970s
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1970: Cambodia
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1970–1973: Chile
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1971: Bolivia
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1974–1991: Ethiopia
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1975–1991: Angola
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1975–1999: East Timor
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1976: Argentina
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1979–1992: Afghanistan
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1980s
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1980–1989: Poland
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1981–1982: Chad
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1981–1990: Nicaragua
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1983: Grenada
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1989–1994: Panama
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1989: Paraguay
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1991–present: Post-Cold War
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1990s
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1991: Iraq
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1991: Haiti
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1992–1996: Iraq
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1994–1995: Haiti
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1996–1997: Zaire
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2000s
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2000: FR Yugoslavia
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2001–2021: Afghanistan
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2003–2021: Iraq
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2005: Kyrgyzstan
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2006–2007: Palestinian Territories
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2005–2009: Syria
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2011: Libya
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2012–2017: Syria
Someone on /r/Chomsky got mad at me because I asked if they were joking when they demanded an example of a single successful regime changed by America :data-laughing:
how did that get past the wikipedia liberals anyway
or is this the edited down version already?
is this the edited down version already?
I'm not sure what you mean. I never checked the talk page but I assume there were edit wars. I'm really shocked the table of contents didn't look like the following with no sub-categories at all and it still doesn't...
- 1941–1945: World War II and the aftermath
I suspect that a few people (or maybe just one person) has been fighting the MIC because they certainly don't want an easy to grasp, damning list.
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Their response when I point out that the CIA has literally admitted to this shit is always "oh now you believe the CIA?"
Man kills 672 people without directly admitting to it or being caught MOST of the time
A: I don't trust him
B: Why not? He says he's doing good things to help the community
Same man confesses to 45 killings
A: I knew it
B: So you trust his word now??
I got that with the report about soviet nutrition being better than American's.
Like UHH what? How would that benefit them by lying about it? To make the soviets look good?
This is the time to do a complete 180 character switch and go "well why shouldn't i believe the CIA? Are they untrustworthy or something?" And just keep calling them a conspiracy theorist if they express anything but 100% support and credibility for our brave wholesome James Bonderionos.
Why yes I am a lazy fuck who likes to needle other people into making my points for me
Me casually mentioning the CIA invading Cuba. I admit that I probably sounded like a Qhead when I was ranting about how "they literally did the bay of pigs invasion". I definitely got some eye roll reactions at that, like that's the craziest shit they've heard in awhile.
That the CIA has done literally anything they have openly admitted to doing
"The USA is better than other countries like China because at least we admit to our atrocities" "Cool so did you read about the one whe-" "Nope nuh-huh fake not real conspiracy theory tankie Russian agent Jonathan Frakes Beyond Belief"
Most Reasonable: That the media was overstating the violence in the streets during the George Floyd protests
Honorable Mention: Reminding liberals that the cold war is over, that the US won, and that Bill Clinton personally gave Putin the thumbs up as Yeltsin's successor.
Yeah. My go-to got-ya is that "Yanks to the Rescue" Times article, but I need my sanity to stay intact to continue the conversation.
I talked about something like that with someone (after having read a book about such stuff and having read the leaked cables) and they were like: You are just imagining things!
Yeah imagining in the sense of remembering what the US apparatus put down on paper themselves.
That the wealthy exert ANY influence over our politics.
I didn’t say “control”
I didn’t say “run”
I didn’t say “are”
I said they have influence, period. Got called a conspiracy theorist so I said “you really think you have the same say in policy as Jeff Bezos?” And then the person replied with something like “well obviously no but that’s not what influence means.” I’m sorry, but what in the fuck DOES influence mean then?
:blob-no-thoughts: Well in Kotor 2, influence gains with your companions just meant approval points, and because policy makers don't actually like rich people, thus OBVIOUSLY they have no influence on policy :blob-no-thoughts:
this could be plausible actually, there's a depressing amount of people who learned of concepts and history through vidya :sadness:
That there is most likely no genocide of Uyghurs going on in China.
I’ve found that bringing up Iraq’s WMDs and actually researching the supposed genocide on a computer with libs (letting them google whatever they want) really helps with this. Of course the problem is that they go back to believing in the genocide more or less the instant you stop talking with them, because otherwise that would mean that their lives have been a lie.
Some sources will actually have modern articles calling out the uncritical state department journalism and give citations to articles from the same publication
Google image search helps because there are literally no pictures of the supposed genocide except those deliberately released by the Chinese government which make their treatment of Uighurs look way better than America’s treatment of Black folks.
someone needs to write a guide or something on instilling concept-permanence in libs i stg
This method is called Marxism, and it grants the power to remember things that happened more than a week ago
where can i learn this power?*
*i will not read theory under any circumstances
Keeping reading enough shitposts about cum on here and you'll get it by osmosis
:stalin-approval: this is acceptable
now... how do i get the liberals to shitpost about cum? :thonk:
Now we get to the question that has bedeviled the Left since the Paris Commune
When does the marxism fairy come down and confer me the ability to remember things I read a week ago?
You have to leave your copy of the Hamilton soundtrack under your pillow
When Warren first entered the race I predicted over dinner with PMC friends that she would just draw votes away from Bernie then drop out
I have suggested many times, including on Hexbear, that entertainment does have an influence on its consumers, even if it isn't direct one-for-one imitative programming. Years to decades of messages of "the status quo is good actually and the bad guys that want to change it went too far" have at least some effect on people that keep taking that in. If advertising works (and it does), there's no magical difference between that and entertainment media when it comes to mentally influencing the audience.
Saying that has resulted plenty of rage getting thrown my way.
Exactly.
That and Korra :LIB: takes, where you don't just ignore the valid points that the non-benders had, but conveniently their leader winds up being a bender and because le hypocrisy, all grievances are discarded.
10,000 nerds talking about ba sing se
The flashbacks.
The flashbacks. :desolate:
The way I like to explain it to people is: media isn't very good at influencing your behavior...but it is good at influencing your thinking.
Someone who plays a ton of call of duty or a bunch of shooters probably isn't more likely than anyone else to become a mass shooter. They probably have some eyebrow raising ideas about the military and violence though.
That's my point, yeah.
I'm not going Joe Lieberman here and saying that Mechwarrior games will make you hop into the family Timberwolf to blow up your least favorite teacher's house if she refuses your batchall, but years and years of "both sides equally right and wrong, caring about things is stupid" certainly influenced the thinking of at least two generations of credulous South Park fans.
Someone who plays a ton of call of duty or a bunch of shooters probably isn’t more likely than anyone else to become a mass shooter. They probably have some eyebrow raising ideas about the military and violence though.
There's a significantly higher chance of them signing up for the military because of cawadoody propaganda, and there they can be lead to commit war crimes for the ruling class.
"BuT vIdeO gAmEs DoN't CaUsE vIoLeNcE"
First of all, yes they absolutely do. You never started a fight with someone irl because they pulled your controller right when you were about to beat them in Mario Kart or because they fed mid one too many times? People punching holes into walls because they suck too hard at CS:GO or OW is not people being violent somehow.
Second of all, the claim is actually pretty narrow ie "playing Mortal Kombat won't make you want to perform real-life fatalities on random people." It doesn't mean you'll not be desensitized to violence and gore, which has unforeseen circumstances. Mortal Kombat animators get PTSD for having to animate all the blood and gore, but somehow gamers are completely immune to all this.
People seek entertainment after a long day or long week of work, where they are at their most relaxed and thus most mentally vulnerable. Of course, it would have a tremendous effect on people. If entertainment was truly that unimpactful, the US military wouldn't constantly vet out films.
First of all, yes they absolutely do. You never started a fight with someone irl because they pulled your controller right when you were about to beat them in Mario Kart or because they fed mid one too many times? People punching holes into walls because they suck too hard at CS:GO or OW is not people being violent somehow.
Funny thing is I'm old enough to remember watching kids try to do hadoukens and shoryukens on each other on the playground, sometimes accidentally giving each other bloody noses and the like and going to the nurse's office. "Fight clubbing" was also an unprecedented thing in the college I was at, where there simply wasn't violence on campus anywhere near that level until credulous fans started LARPing the movie (and maybe the book) that they kind of misunderstood.
People seek entertainment after a long day or long week of work, where they are at their most relaxed and thus most mentally vulnerable. Of course, it would have a tremendous effect on people.
There's this all-or-nothing mentality that too many people have where something must cause a direct 1:1 effect every time or else the presumption is that there is absolutely zero effect and therefore stop criticizing the treats touch grass and so on and so on :zizek-fuck: I think it may be those same tired people that see any criticism of their entertainment as some sort of threat to that entertainment.
It's a sticky subject for a lot of people but I agree. Redditors and people like them make references to Harry Potter and Marvel for a reason. It really does shape a lot of people's world views.
Cheney was a huge fan of a certain "must torture the terrorist to find the ticking bomb" show with a number name, too, and demanded that it be on TV anywhere he had a meeting.
Remember when a bunch of people on Twitter thanked the main character of that show after Bin Laden was killed? Wild.
The belief that entertainment has no effect on the thoughts or beliefs of those that consume it, while using that same entertainment to express their thoughts and beliefs, is quite a high level of unexamined ideology. :zizek:
Alan Moore screaming "When will you learn that your fictions have consequences!"
There's also the absolutely corrosive effect of all stories being about individuals so you get people who are literally
:so-true: I'm the Main Character
When real life isn't a narrative.
That the 2000 election was illegitimate and Dubya stole it and the media machine and everything else went along with it "for the sake of the kids" like an unhappy marriage.
this was like the median opinion among Dem voters who were paying attention at the time and now it's completely forgotten lmao
that there is no chance of someone who promises to be tough on the rich getting elected into power because the rich own the media
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mentioning the French dude that was behind the narrative that "cgombulism killed 100 billion" and saying that the five other dudes writing their book tried to distance themselves from him because of his dishonesty and
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mentioning that the version of the holodomor that was being told in the west was told by a dude that never even set foot in the USSR and that the narrative of how the USSR ran shit is WAY propagandized
mentioning that the version of the holodomor that was being told in the west was told by a dude that never even set foot in the USSR
same dude spent his time praising Nazi Germany and the Japanese occupation of Korea in western media (someone dunk on me if I am misremembering this right fucking now)
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Anything that came out of the Snowden leaks or the Panama Papers makes you sound like a raving lunatic, no matter how well documented and evidenced they are.
it's insane that you still can't talk about basically anything Epstein related without sounding like a weirdo even though it was all very big news like what, a year ago?
When I said that :my-hero: truly does not care about anything but himself and his narcissistic legacy, I was on many occassions accused of being a shill for big oil. :joker-shopping:
I hate false dilemmas where neither option is mine.
It's like when I used to be asked which edgy quippy smirking sociopath was my favorite edgy quippy smirking sociopath in le game of le thrones. I don't enjoy shows where everyone (alive) is an asshole.
I wasn't labeled a conspiracy theorist, but my dad said "Well you're the only one who knows the true story of anything" when I said that people in the 60s considered MLK to be a "violent protester" and that his story has been extremely whitewashed since his time
you’re the only one who knows the true story of anything
:yes-chad:
Death to America
