Nothing against vegans btw, I'm cutting dowen on my meawt consumptwuon OWO. And yes, I am a leftist, yes, I eat meat, GET OVER IT. Not everyone is as PRIVILEGED as you vegans!
Who cares, I’m about to do a literal both-sides libism here
Meat eaters should have stayed in their lane and not started shit in the cow post in the vegan comm, because that comm is not for them and being a “hehe bacon” reddit tier nerd and bragging about eating meat is insufferable, who gives a fuck
On the other hand the vegans making the retaliation posts like this and keeping this inane struggle session alive is also insufferable. Everyone log off and don’t make more annoying threads like this or the “what meat should I try” posts
You’re both annoying
Correct, but there's also being annoyingly correct
I see "AOC said dumb thing x100" posts the same way.
i just want to grill a mixture of plant and animal based products for gods sake
To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.
This thread is literally the 5th type of liberalism.
started shit in the cow post in the vegan comm, because that comm is not for them and being a “hehe bacon” reddit tier nerd and bragging about eating meat
This should be a site-wide ban.
Yeah basically this. Everyone should do their best but at the end of the day there is never any ethical consumption under capitalism. If the way you're trying to minimize your impact is by not eating meat, more power to you. If you're trying to minimize your impact some other way, go get it. But nothing any of us do with regards to individual consumption today is going to be ethical so there's no point in anyone acting holier than anyone else because of their consumption choices.
This is why I don't post in the vegan com but really appreciate vegan feedback in the normal food com. Some suggestions have really helped me lower meat consumption.
You know for a community of people that like the bitch to the mods about how their safe space is being invaded by the "Carnists" you guys sure like to start shit.
Wasn't the shit started by people meatposting in a space where we have a lot of vegan comrades?
The "meatposting" was people answering the post in full honesty, outside of one idiot who thinks posting animal snuff videos is an argument.
I like to picture Enver, John Kerry, and discount anonymous all sitting round a table in the dark, coming up with struggle sessions to divide the site
Their next plan is to bring up the idea of whether you should merge as soon as you see a lane is closed up ahead, or go up to the end of the lane and try to merge then. If you thought the outdoor cats discussion was bad...
What do picture when you think of enver? I think of a seething ball of claws and teeth.
took a break from this site for 3 days and this is the first thread i see :deeper-sadness:
Debate bro behavior was a storied and admirable tradition on the old subreddit, so I don't see why it's a surprise here.
This is a good post.
I'm not vegan. But I respect my vegan comrades enough to never bring up the topic of meat on ChaCha.
enough to never bring up the topic of meat
I mean, I'm not going to make a stupid baitpost about meat, but I'm also not going to like avoid any discussion involving meat
Why aren't you vegan? It's easy, cheap, healthy, better for the environment, and you'll be amazed at how amazing it feels to not have to live with the cognitive dissonance required to eat animals.
My domestic situation makes it not possible at the moment (it's more complicated than just "my partner's making a meal with meat"). But when I'm responsible for my own food choices (usually 2X a day), I do vegetarian. I would do vegan but I will be honest, I don't feel the same compunction about eggs and don't know where I stand on dairy.
Ok, so, I won't touch your domestic situation as I don't know enough about it to say anything.
I will talk about eggs and dairy though. They have exactly the same problems as meat. Namely, they're unhealthy, bad for the environment, and incredibly horrible for the animals who are exploited and then killed to produce them.
I don't know as much about egg production because I've never liked eggs so it was simple to cut them out of my diet. But here's what I would ask you: female chickens lay all the eggs. What do you think happens to the males, who are useless to this whole process? Did you guess ground up alive the day that they hatch? Because that's the answer. It's pretty horrific. Also, the female chickens don't have a great life either. Chickens were never meant to lay an egg a day, they've been selectively bred to do so and it's quite hard on their bodies. Impacted eggs happen frequently, they're almost always nutritionally deficient in some way, just bad news all around. Not to mention, the vast majority, like 90-something percent of eggs are from factory farms, so the egg-laying chickens live in the same squalid, over-crowded, miserable situations as the meat chickens. So yeah, eggs are no good.
For dairy I know quite a bit more because I loved cheese before I went vegan and it was really hard at first not to eat cheese. I actually remember, the day that I'd say I went from eating plant-based to being a vegan was the day I really, really wanted some mac and cheese, so I googled something like "why is dairy bad?" A couple of hours and a good cry later, I was over my cheese addiction and haven't touched the stuff since.
So here's the life of a dairy cow. They are born and spend less than 48 hours with their mother before being taken away and separated based on sex, because again, male cows don't produce milk. The males become veal (so if you're anti-veal, you should be anti-dairy, veal wouldn't exist without dairy). The females live in tiny huts drinking fake milk-like product made from powder and warm water. When I was young I actually helped my next-door neighbor feed the dozens of young calves that lived in her backyard. I'm intimately, personally aware of this stage in a young dairy cow's life. It sucks. The huts are disgusting, the calves barely have room to turn around, they can't frolic or hang out in a herd (as cows do, they're creatures meant for life in a herd). Also, the fake milk is gross. It smells awful, stains anything it gets into contact with, gets gloopy and stuck in the nipples in the bottles. Just, ugghhh.
And yet, for dairy cows, that's about as good as it gets! At least they're outside and not being milked several times a day. Once a cow is old enough to be impregnated, the next stage in her life begins. She is impregnated and starts producing milk. (By the way, cows are mammals, so they have to be pregnant or recently pregnant in order to produce milk. Dairy cows are basically constantly pregnant.) The vast majority of dairy cows live in factory farms and almost never get to see the sun. They just stand around in their own poop and get milked. And, like with chickens, cows were never supposed to produce as much milk as they do. It's very common for cows to have lesions on their udders as well as more serious conditions. And as long as the milk they're producing doesn't have too much pus and blood in it, it's all good! (Seriously, there are FDA standards for how much blood in milk is too much. I'd say any blood is too much, but that's not what the standards say.)
So now our cow has been pregnant for 9-10 months. It's time to give birth. Once the baby cow is born, they spend less than 48 hours with their mother, as I said above. Here's the thing: mother cows care about their babies. They care enough so that when the baby is taken away, the mother suffers, emotionally. It's incredibly common for the mother cows to cry and scream when their babies are taken from them. And it's also quite easy to find videos of mother cows chasing after trucks and 4-wheelers in which ranchers are carrying their stolen babies. Let me say this again:mother cows feel an emotional bond with their babies, who are stolen from them within 48 hours of birth, causing the mother great anguish. It's fucking horrific.
After a couple of weeks, the dairy cow is impregnated again and the cycle repeats. Now the natural lifetime of a cow is about 20 years. Dairy cows live for 4-5 years. Their bodies are so exhausted and broken after yearly pregnancies that they stop producing enough milk to be profitable after just a quarter of their natural lifespan. So they're killed and turned into cheap meat, frequently pet food since their flesh isn't considered tasty enough for human consumption.
So yeah, if you read all this, thank you. Hopefully you understand a little more now why eggs and dairy are just as bad as, if not worse than, meat.
Some dairy producers here in Denmark have started milking the cow only after the calf has gotten its fill. They don't separate them. Would this be an acceptable alternative? Of course, it will still be damaging to the environment and the yield is only 10% or so of conventional milk production.
I read it all, it's definitely something I'm gonna be thinking about.
Nah. Cancers tend to be good at growing and spreading.
We just argue with ourselves.
It feels like we're back on reddit. No wonder why it feels homely here
BEANS AND RICE ARE EXPENSIVE YOU PETIT BOUG VEGAN PIECE OF SHIT!! HOW WILL I GET MY PROTEIN?!?! :frothingfash:
i eat so many beans i have transcended my fleshy confines and become a sentient gasbag
I ate an entire block of tofu yesterday. $1.20 for ~50 grams of protein. Froze it, pressed it, marinated it for 24 hours, then made little snack cubes i nibbled on all day.
but i guess it didn't have enough blood, shit, piss, scared animal hormones, injected hormones to stimulate growth, or antibiotics that will create a superbug in it to count so i'm just shrinking away over here :'( Help..... my protein didn't have any gristle or bone or animal skin either or risk of terrible diseases either........ i'm just wasting away.... can barely do my hour of yoga + mile walk a day at all........................
Love that reddit-tier humor. Be less of a :LIB: and go vegan.
Someone made this thread looking to start a struggle, you clicked on it to find a struggle, I'm just giving the people what they want
Nah, the thread was clearly a joke that I, as a vegan, enjoyed. Then the replies showed me that there are really carnists out here who will turn obvious sarcastic humor into struggle sessions. I clicked on it to laugh at people making fun of idiot carnists, but OP posted it in c/main instead of c/vegan for some reason (an accident maybe?) and now I'm stuck rolling my eyes at how edgy carnists are. "Hurr durr, every time a vegan talks I eat another steak." Yeah, like we've never heard that before.
For the record, I actually am working on cutting meat out of my diet but threads like this are annoying and even saying that is an invitation to the morally superior vegans to tell me I'm a bad person for still putting honey in my tea. Also "carnist" is a really bad pejorative because it sounds bad ass
Are threads like this annoying because vegans tell you you're a bad person or because you on some level feel that eating meat is morally wrong and you hate it when vegans point it out to you.
Also, I don't give a fuck about honey. Stop eating meat, dairy, and eggs, do what you like with honey.
And carnist isn't a pejorative, it's a descriptor.
No I don't think its morally wrong to eat meat at all, my project of being vegetarian (already quit dairy) is motivated by human sustainability and the moral issues I have with the currently existing meat industry. I can conceive of ethical meat consumption, but its not really ethically sustainable as a pillar of diet for 8 billion people, so it should probably just go. On an individual basis I don't see it as a problem.
Love when vegans post obnoxious bait threads and then other vegans act sanctimonious when someone takes it
Reddit dot com/r/WOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSHHHHHHHH (hey guys, crooked here, just wanted to explain that this is a joke, when somebody types woooooooshhhhh on a post, that means they believe the poster did not understand the intention of the post they are replying to!)
Edit: ok who keeps awarding this post 😂