As a transwoman, I understand that feeling of acceptedness within the Chapo community and I can imagine the feeling of betrayal that they must be feeling. I joined about a year ago at one of the lowest and most pivotal points of my life and the community has helped me to grow as a person and to really turn my life around for the better. I'm personally trying my best to provide the same safe and protecting community for trans and non-binary people here that I saw in the subreddit that allowed me to blossom so heavily. However, a blank slate means you let go of the things that happened in the past and we all move forward on this new platform, where I have taken steps to ensure that trans people are more protected so situations like this do not arise. Spamming the Lemmy does not constitute a move forward.
Marie stated in one comment that, "I was, unfortunately, misgendered by someone on the discord (and had been multiple times by that point) and so I expressed my feelings that not enough was being done to protect trans comrades." If they looked at the trans and non-binary dedicated community, they would see several points where I have provided updates on the site-wide pronoun tags (entirely separate from community flair, I might add) that are coming down the pipeline of updates, which I strongly pushed for and had the pleasure of discussing and brainstorming with the developers to make a reality. I personally didn't think the Discord had the capability to fully prevent misgendering because it would require someone to click on another person's profile and self-investigate? So how could that be improved moving away from the Discord? On the Lemmy, pronouns will be immediately next to your name site-wide leaving no excuse for misgendering going forward.
Someone else stated that "it’s kind of depressing that lgbt spaces here are empty" and "it raises the issue of what the priority is in affirmatively making sure there is a space here in chapo for our queer comrades to have a home, vs being a home for cis comrades to affirm their own perceived tolerance." It's hard to pull people to Lemmy when there is no guarantee I can prevent things like misgendering otherwise I personally would be trying to pull all of my trans and non-binary comrades here. It's actually one of my biggest concerns and I have addressed this concern in our space. I'm hesitant to really do anything in the trans and non-binary community until I can guarantee that no one will face dysphoria on that front.
I have discussed at-length with other moderators that I (and I can't stress this enough) DO NOT want cis people on my moderator board, as our people do not need cis people dictating the manner in which we can converse with each other about our trials and tribulations. Marie stated they want "reform" and for the "mod team to not be shit"? Here I fucking am. They want mods to be "held accountable for their actions"? I will absolutely swing for the fences for our people. "Will this ever happen?" they asked. Yes.
UPDATE:
I have tried everything possible to make amends. Yesterday on the statement I made allowing for any good faith grievances to be discussed, I received countless comments telling me to “talk to the Shorks”. Getting specific names of people in the Shork server was no easy feat, but I did it. I ended up reaching out to Shorkena, one of the moderators on the Shork server that Marie was kind enough to put me in contact with, and tried to pull together a group chat to have a good faith conversation about how to move forward. I tried everything to reach some sort of agreement. They’ve been spamming demanding that their voices and grievances be heard since we opened the Lemmy and I have gaven them multiple spaces space to freely do that and openly discuss grievances and how to move forward in good faith and they shuttered.
I gave them every opportunity I could possibly think to give and they squandered it and even went as far as mocking me within their own server and digging up drunken shitpost Tweets to openly mock me about instead of discussing their actual grievances with me, which you can see in the Imgur directory below.
I remained hopeful throughout all of this that I could pull something off and end all of this, but I have concluded there is no good faith attempt here anymore.
For all of those interested, here is every interaction I’ve had with any of them involved: https://imgur.com/a/rfN6joQ
REMOVED IMGUR ALBUM SO THOSE INVOLVED WILL NOT BE DOXXED.
I just want to emphasize that Discord Bad and bringing bad discord blood to the subreddit/lemmy makes the subreddit/lemmy bad.
TLDR: Discord bad. Blank slate on Lemmy good. Leaving behind Discord bullshit biggggg good. Trans people feeling safe and welcome here like I'm working hard to do HUGE GOOOOOOOOD.
Mods/Admins have stated that "clean slate on lemmy" is out the window apparently? I don't really feel safe in a place where it feels like people get banned for just disagreeing :(
The clean slate on Lemmy is for those people who don't act in bad faith, brigade, and spam with others.
Marie has been involved in that since the initial dev instance prior to us going live, and then subsequently in several other brigades since then. Other users here who have been banned from discord have been allowed to create accounts here and post under the clean slate; the difference being that they have not acted as spammers, brigaders, and other wreckers have.
Leaving behind Discord bullshit biggggg good
I feel like that's been code for just ignoring the legitimate grievances raised. Telling the trans community to just get over it isn't going to make them feel comfortable returning to the greater chapo community.
Let's take a look at those two statements that you in particular made. 1)"it’s kind of depressing that lgbt spaces here are empty" 2) "it raises the issue of what the priority is in affirmatively making sure there is a space here in chapo for our queer comrades to have a home, vs being a home for cis comrades to affirm their own perceived tolerance."
I came in as a mod AFTER all of this blew up. I'm not saying to get over it. I'm saying that instead of making blanket statements that they're empty or not a priority, you could ask what could be done to help with the endeavors that I've been working my ass off to think of and plan out so trans and non-binary people in particular can feel safe, welcome, and comfortable here. I personally did not like the Discord and I've analyzed functions and flaws of the Discord that opened up my people to transphobia and mistreatment and tried to improve upon them here. I'm open to hearing out grievances so I can more properly and efficiently make adjustments as a community leader so that my people feel more welcome here. If there are grievances that I haven't addressed in this thicc statement, by all means, post them in the transenby_liberation community that is ran by trans/enby people and for trans/enby people.
Admins know what the grievances are. They can reach out to the greater trans community.
Can you stop speaking like you represent all trans people please? You don't. There are a lot of us here that don't agree with you. This splinter group looks like it's what? 10 people at most?
100+ trans comrades. and there seemed to be a positive response to my thread so at least a proportion of people agree with me.
X to doubt. The spam I've seen in new isn't anywhere remotely close to that lol, nor is the participation in any discussion on the topic.
Ok. explain why the trans channel was active on the server. but it's a ghost town now.
Because discord as a platform centres each channel around a core usergroup of 10-15 active users.
Wherever you went. But as I said above, it's a group of 10 or so and doesn't represent "all trans people" here whatsoever. I also saw the attempts to get MLs riled up in the Tankie Bunker discord with claims that MLs were being unduly targeted and that was nonsense too. Bad faith oozes off of this when you make rediculously hyped up claims of hundreds of people being involved instead of the very grounded reality of it being a single core group of 10 or so.
i didn't say hundreds. I said 100+ which is an accurate appraisal, and doesn't even count the passively disaffected. If I was lying yall should have a thriving trans community here.
Hey. You claimed I was ignoring you and now that I'm requesting a link it looks like you've ran away? Can I please just get a link?
That may be true, but I don't care what cis mods think, if I can be so frank. As a transwoman coming into moderating in the middle of all of this, the only thing I give a single fuck about is giving my people a home free from cis bullshit run by and for us. If you have additional grievances, post them in the transenby_liberation community.
I already posted my concerns and the thread got locked. Why should I have any confidence the community will be heard out in good faith when no actions have been taken to indicate that they will be. The issues are well known at this point. It's not an issue of stating them. it's an issue of them yet being addressed.
if the trans mod of a trans community was wrong about their grievances - it's happened in the past - he should criticize it? it's ridiculous to say every grievance held by every trans person is correct, people are wrong a lot- i can remember many reddit dramas where multiple trans mods were expressing their grievances and they contradicted each other, leading to endless drama
Ok. Yelling at me that I'm not going by the right procedure or whatever isn't going to make the trans community automatically feel comfortable here again. And it's not my responsibility. And the Administration hiding is trans-exclusionary structure behind trans mods that are willing to ignore it doesn't really do anything positive either
The thread was locked during a time when I was at work and unavailable. As I previously stated, I literally do not give a single bother what cis mods think. I am here now and I am very available to listen to grievances. I have no preconceived notions of what modding looks like as I've never moderated a Reddit, Discord, or Lemmy until now. I'm just someone with a vision of a healthy, safe community for my people. If you have legitimate grievances that I haven't addressed or suggestions on improvements to the community I'm working to build for my people, please tell me them now. Make your grievance known to me in particular and I will try work to improve upon them.
If you really want to make a difference I'm sure the people from the shork server would be willing to talk it out with you. Like they were willing to talk with briggs about it until they decided to ignore any offers the shork server made to have that conversation. Otherwise you're just playing cover for the cis mods that don't care.
Okay. As I've previously stated, I really hated the Discord and it failed my people on multiple levels. And I wasn't a huge fan of the Shork server either. Discord is not my forte. I don't give a single bother about what Briggs thinks either, to be frank. I refuse to play telephone with people's grievances. I don't want to hear about people's grievances through cis moderators either. Again, I don't care what they think. I'm here right here and right now, please make your grievances known to me directly so I can address them and make improvements.
I don't represent the whole trans chapo community. Talk to the shorks
If you feel like you're a representative of the Shork community, tell them to come here and talk to me. Again, Discord is not my forte, nor am I a moderator there. But I am a moderator here where I am trying to make improvements upon the failures my people experienced on the Discord. Pass it on.
Ok, really. What are you trying to accomplish here? what more can we do? I'm one of the dev's. I'm trans. I personally made sure to advocate for the removal of every moderator and admin who abused their power or said hurtful and or inappropriate things. and they were. The mod team for the trans spaces is exclusively trans no, there is no hold over. I'm helping build features explicitly to protect my people.
So serious question: what grievances are left that haven't been addressed? we arn't being pedantic when we ask this. we legitimently don't know how else to help. we want to help. :purple heart:
Well if want to name a big thing. People that do name their grievences keep getting deleted and banned so we can't even start until that's fixed.
If you have any communication with them, please tell them to voice their grievances in this thread specifically where I am open and available to discussion.
As I’ve previously stated, I really hated the Discord and it failed my people on multiple levels. And I wasn’t a huge fan of the Shork server either. Discord is not my forte. If you have any communication with them, please tell them to voice their grievances in this thread specifically where I am open and available to discussion.
discord didn't fail. the admin team did.
you can reach out to them if you actually try
Let the record show that I am not a moderator on Discord. My job is to make Lemmy a welcoming environment. People can make their grievances known in this thread specifically. Good faith arguments will not be banned or removed. I am open and available to discussion. Direct them here if you feel you are a representative of that community.
You don't need to be a discord admin to reach out. If you really cared you could do that bare minimum, atleast.
Earlier you said "it's not my responsibility" to talk to this mod who is trans and working hard to make things better about how to do that
Now you're saying it's this mods responsibility to go on Discord, which she mentioned repeatedly she doesn't use because it often induces dysphoria, and if she doesn't it means she doesn't really care about building a good space for trans and nonbinary people*
Hopefully you see that on a person to person level that's pretty mean.
It seems like you're saying you and your group are happy to stay on the discord and don't really care either way about being on Lemmy. I'm not sure if that's accurate but it's my impression.
you're right. we're all mean cunts and we'll stay on discord. sorry for thinking yall wanted our participation, I'll fuck back off.
You paraphrasing my post (which specifically only described your words/actions as mean) into a general insult with a really harsh and harmful gendered word is just another example of so much bad faith engagement.
I can't even remember the last time I've seen the word cunt outside of like 4chan
you're right. I'm fucking off from whence I came. I'm tired of this shit.
I'm just trying to figure out whats going on and everyone is really angry. do you like house music or shoegaze?
It's kinda like house. I made a post thing: https://hexbear.net/post/3494
Me too! https://hexbear.net/post/3191
edit: linked song is pure cheese
okay that's a good point. I'm going to need to post actual house now.
Again, I wasn't all that involved with the Discord during the eruption of all of this. I'm here on my own grounds trying to build something from the ashes. They are more than welcome to come to me with their grievances.
That doesn't stop you from reaching out to them instead of urging them to come into this damage control thread where they'll continue to be ignored.
Again, I am here and this is a thread for grievances. This isn't damage control. This is the space I have begun to build from the ashes of the Discord. Why would I reach out on a platform that I don't view as the way forward when we could grow, learn, and rebuild here? Come to me on the grounds that I've worked hard to build and am open to discussion on.
This isn’t damage control.
Looks like and walks like damage control. Reach out to the shorks
Are you going to ignore everything else I said or say something remotely substantive?
are you gonna ignore me asking you to reach out to the shorks? why can't you reach out to the shorks?
Hey. You claimed I was ignoring you and now that I'm requesting a link it looks like you've ran away? Can I please just get a link?
I highly encourage you to tell them to come to this post in particular and voice their grievances that I have not addressed thus far. Please and thank you. :)
I was trying to do yall a favor and explain why trans comrades weren't coming here. If ya'll really give this little of a fuck about it then whatever.
"I don’t represent the whole trans chapo community." If you don't represent them, then tell them to come here and talk to me where I have already stated that I am very available and very open to discussion of grievances.
very available and very
locks a thread talking about this stuff to open a damage control thread
Again, when the thread was locked, I was at work and unavailable. I am here and now for discussion. Please direct them here if you feel you are a representative of those who have unaddressed grievances.
You can reach out to the shork server. Everyone else managed to do so really easily.
I'm a community leader here. I was never involved in the Shork community. You can tell them to come here if you feel you are a representative of those who have unaddressed grievances.
are you bound to chapo.chat by magic spell or something? You can still reach out if you want to.
What do you mean? You asked them for proof? Did you not read their response thoroughly enough?
are you bound to chapo.chat by magic spell or something? You can still reach out if you want to.
I mean your reaction and the fact that they deleted what was otherwise not a crazy out there comment makes me think something is up here.
I requested they delete it actually and I have receipts to prove it, if you're so curious. I am a transwoman fighting to build a space by and for us. This is not their fight and I don't particularly care what they think or have to say in this matter.
I'd like to take the time to point out bwp was the one that misgendered caden and took two weeks to apologize after 2 seperate negotiations, and they're still a part of the power structure here. This is one qualm I will bring up. You should still contact shorks
I'm aware. Which is another reason I do not want them in this space and especially not this discussion. I am a new moderator open to discussion of grievances.
I think this is conflating a "truth and reconciliation committee" approach with a "blank slate" approach. With a blank slate approach, feedback and suggestions don't need to be couched in previous discord discord.
If there are concerns, they can absolutely be addressed and fixes implemented without re-litigating disputes form another platform.
Blank Slate Approach: I'm worried that the current structure is vulnerable to insert general concern and suggest corrective action to mitigate the risk of this occurring. ✅
Importing Discord Drama: I have been harmed by user X on different platform y and want to know what actions will be taken against them here. ❎
I don't see how classifying what's occurred recently as "drama" pertinent only to the Discord platform is productive to the conversation here. The factors that lead to this "drama" are inherent to both communities.
A "blank slate" policy in this context meant leniency towards people that had been targeted in recent banwaves on Discord, not a full dismissal of any conflict that had occurred on the platform.
The factors that brought this “drama” are inherent to both communities.
Strong disagree. I think the structure and format of Discords is a large driver of this sort of thing, because we never encountered anything like it moderating the very large subreddit.
If this place is going to go anywhere, there needs to be an influx of people from the subreddit who (like me) never went to any of the discords so that they can water down the two feuding communities until they are no long meaningfully distinct.
Agreed, discord is bad. On that note, whatever grievances people have against discord mods will fester here since the mod team is exactly the same. Just saying.
mod team is exactly the same. Just saying.
No that's a valid point, and I think needs to change, but apparently that's already in the works.
But this isn't the case there are at least three mods who are no longer mods due to actions on the discord.
The subreddit was moderated in a far different manner than the discord (irrespective of platform limitations), I don't think the comparison is apt.
This isn't two feuding communities with "discord drama" spilling over into Lemmy. It's one community and legitimate grievances are reflected on both platforms. Simple as that.
The subreddit was moderated in a far different manner than the discord
This is the new subreddit, it needs to be moderated like a subreddit.
It’s one community
No it's not. I don't know like 90% of the people here. I'm from the subreddit. Not the discord. So trying to pretend this is an extension of the discord and re-litigating grievances from there is a category error.
This is the new subreddit, it needs to be moderated like a subreddit.
I'm discussing the style and manner of moderation, not anything specific to the platform.
No it’s not. I don’t know like 90% of the people here. I’m from the subreddit. Not the discord. So trying to pretend this is an extension of the discord and re-litigating grievances from there is a category error.
Where do you think the discord users came from? We're literally all from the same community. There is no "extension of the discord". Some of us stayed in the discord during the transition, but it is the same community. The grievances that occurred there are relevant to the entire community and it's rather disrespectful to the people that were harmed there to say it has no place here and is just cheap discord drama.
I’m discussing the style and manner of moderation, not anything specific to the platform.
The style and manner of moderation for the subreddit was to warn and then ban attempts to litigate drama from off the subreddit on the subreddit. If we're making this the new subreddit, I don't see why that should be any different here.
Where do you think the discord users came from?
I have no idea.
We’re literally all from the same community.
We apparently have different definitions of the word community. The Discords fosters a very distinct culture and userbase compared with the subreddit, so I don't consider them unified at all. A person might belong to both communities, but that doesn't mean they are the same community.
warn and then ban attempts to litigate drama
This is part of the conflict and clearly relevant to both platforms.
We apparently have different definitions of the word community. The Discords fosters a very distinct culture and userbase compared with the subreddit, so I don’t consider them unified at all. A person might belong to both communities, but that doesn’t mean they are the same community.
You're being pedantic at this point. The small subset of the community that had a long-term interest in the discord platform isn't of relevance here. I'm referring to the general r/CTH community, from which 10k managed to join the server in the days following the subreddit ban. Seeing as this is a significant portion of the subreddit's active userbase, the conflicts that occurred there in the weeks after the ban are completely relevant here.
This is part of the conflict and clearly relevant to both platforms.
Nope, wasn't a conflict on the subreddit.
Seeing as this is a significant portion of the subreddit’s active userbase, the conflicts that occurred there in the weeks after the ban are completely relevant here.
Only if you want to have a DiscordOnLemmy Community as opposed to the /r/CTH community.
At this point you're being intentionally obtuse. No one is suggesting that this becomes "DiscordOnLemmy", but the events that took place in the few weeks of transition are clearly relevant to the community now.
At this point you’re being intentionally obtuse.
This makes me think you don't understand how disagreements work.
but the events that took place in the few weeks of transition are clearly relevant to the community now.
Only if you disregard one of the few rules that the subreddit religiously enforced.
If you continually suggest that the discord server that was advertised by the mods just before the ban and managed to capture 10k active users from the subreddit has no relevance to the subreddit now, just weeks later, then yes, I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.
advertised by the mods just before the ban and managed to capture 10k active users from the subreddit has no relevance to the subreddit now, just weeks later, then yes, I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.
There was another discord that was advertised for over a year on the sidebar that fostered an entirely different culture, atmosphere, and yes community. Don't care about the drama from there either.
I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯. You're welcome to think this but my genuine view is that unless we want this to turn into DiscordOnLemmy we need to acknowledge the distinct communities.
A "blank slate" means that I personally don't give a single bother about past conflicts, actions, brigading, or whatever so long as they're willing to exist peacefully within the community I'm trying to build up and will continue to build for and by my people. I'm new to modding, past conflicts are not my problem. What is my problem is that my people do not feel safe or welcome here and THAT is something I have a say in. THAT is something I can work with and make improvements upon as a community leader.
If users have not behaved peacefully in this very same community, albeit on a different platform, then past conflicts are ABSOLUTELY your problem as a moderator. On one hand you're saying you want people to feel safe and on the other you're stating that even if a user has previously made members of your community feel unsafe, as long as they behave peacefully from this moment on you have no problem allowing them to participate in your community.
I’m new to modding, past conflicts are not my problem.
That really sounds like dismissing the issues of the greater trans community, because it's inconvenient for you - which isn't a good way to get all the disaffected trans folks to feel comfortable coming back here.
Past conflicts are not my problem. Your conflict with whoever is your conflict with them. Not me. It's my job to improve upon the structures that led to this situation in the first place, not to be an adjudicator on past issues.
They’re not my problem.
Claiming issues effecting the trans community aren't your problem is kinda yikes.
If you read the entire statement and processed "issues effecting the trans community aren't [my] problem" I highly suggest you re-read it, maybe re-read again, and perhaps even re-read one last time. I'm not here to be an adjudicator on past conflicts with particular people. The Lemmy is a blank slate that I am trying to create a welcoming, safe space for trans and non-binary people on.
If it's that easily misinterpreted then write something else.
As far as I'm concerned, you're the only one here misinterpreting it and I'm highly encouraging you to bring people with legitimate, unaddressed grievances to this post specifically.
So I can get banned and ignored? No thanks. Reach out to the shorks.
Again, for the umpteenth time, I will not be banning or removing good faith grievances posted here. I am new and looking to rebuild from the ashes of the Discord and grow this community.
I will not be banning or removing good faith grievances posted here.
Other people can still do that though, lol
I'm not those other people and I have directed the moderator team to not remove any good faith arguments made in this thread.
Shorks are also telling me registration is closed. Which I find it hard that you wouldn't know as a mod. How exactly would they even come in this thread anyway? This whole thing is bad faith.
Hey. You claimed I was ignoring you and now that I'm requesting a link it looks like you've ran away? Can I please just get a link?
The problem was bringing Discord mods to be the mods here. It's such an inane decision considering they're the reason the Discord fucking sucks.
I don't think it's the only or even the primary reason the discord is bad, but ideally the subreddit style moderation/moderator waves will return as this community grows beyond the original nucleus of discord users.
the subreddit style moderation/moderator waves will return as this community grows
It will not though, the subreddit's mods were lax and Beatnik wasn't in charge. He is here and apparently has promoted only the most prudish people who want to impose moderation on everything or they don't feel like they're doing something, which is exactly what a new community does not need. Clearly this will only be realized once it's too late and this place is straight dead.
I pretty sure Beatnik was a subreddit mod in the Latter-days. Since he's the site owner and set up the lemmy's he's going to have initial control over things, and sure, there's going to be an initial clique of mods that he appoints from his social circle.
I'm not overly worried about that as a temporary reality though, unless they walk back their plan to have a subreddit style moderation selection process take over the reins.
yeah, Beatnik was the mod who used the vapourwave images on the megathreads
He refused to make a Megathread bot so many times, he could have saved us
its just weird that this platform attracted the most drama-mongering people to whine and moan about the drama on the discord
If I could never hear about the discords every again that would be great.
im of the knowledge that you were free to shut up about them any time you had chosen
considering this whole post was created for people to whine and cry to their mommies about the discord, which is filled with people who werent flaccid reddit powermods, i think it's gonna be pretty hard for me to stem the tide
What kind of attitude is that? Put your heart into it.
is this the place where you feel like you have control over your life? or, moreso, the haspel payments that flow into it?
I don't have control over my life in any place, much less a subreddit stand-in where I don't have any control at all.
thats a charming line, did the handbook say it would elicit empathy?
Are you referring to the Handbook updates today that indicate I no longer need to a do a Bishop consult before my vasectomy?
A lot of drama between a small group of people. Some of the drama was serious (pedo-defending mod who got axed) while some of it was less serious and made to seem like a bigger conflict than it actually was. Some of the conflicts were centred around people accidentally misgendering users, which is what this update is supposed to remedy.
I basically just checked the Discord to see when the Lemmy was done cooking
that's why pronoun tags are in the works. calling each other comrade is a roundabout way to make misgendering technically not a problem rather than addressing the root cause - the presumption that people are cis men (or trans women upon learning that someone is trans), i.e. cissexism.
this is insane, not using pronouns is clearly a reasonable way to not misgender people. how is that "a roundabout way to make it technically not a problem"? aren't gendered pronouns a weird and unnecessary holdover from a sexist language history? why not call everyone comrade?
my gender is part of my struggle to become myself. choosing not to recognize that takes something away from me just as much as forcing me into the wrong category. if the genderless form is right for you, that's great, but it's not mine. there's more to gender than the oppression of old hierarchies and eliminating them won't eliminate gender entirely, just the coercion and enforced categorization. I'm not arguing against a genderless or neuter gender default but rather the active refusal to recognize that I am a woman.
do we wanna talk about who the pedo-defending mod was defending?
I could be wrong but I thought they (the axed mod) were defending pedo shit (loli drawings), not a specific pedo person.
The conversation it happened in was centered around a particular person. And it wasn't the person who was banned.
The admin who was removed for defending loli was not doing so in defense of me, as there was no loli in any way, me being that other (ex)mod being mentioned. The allegations against me are baseless and it really hurts to see myself being called "the loli person"
Scared to even defend myself, but its just so draining. I've been getting harassed about this for weeks, I'm scared to even check here or discord for fear of seeing yet another shitstorm where people are calling me a pedophile. It's a waking nightmare and I'm afraid to even talk about it.
Also important to note that I was not removed: the team investigated it thoroughly, my whole online existence rooted through, even stuff from when I was in highschool was dug up, and nothing was found. Otherwise I would have been immediately banned. But then the rumors started spreading and got to the point that the rumors alone were damaging trust and making people feel unsafe, at that point being a mod was harming me and harming the community, so I stepped down voluntarily.
Sorry, this kind of turned into venting, my brain is foggy. hope it cleared some stuff up
Hey Quill, I've interacted with you a few times on the Discord. You come across like a very cool and inviting person! I'm sorry you've had to deal with all of this. I'm sure most of us libs trust you and the rest of the mod team here, solidarity forever :red-fist:
why? so yall can ban me?
A crime far worse than transphobia I'm sure https://i.imgur.com/U1AgVGy.png
I mean if that's who's drawings karlmouth was defending then that's who's drawings karlmouth was defending. If it's not then it's not.
every time someone tries they get banned and deleted. Here's the full log between people that are concerned and beatnik and the owner of this site https://imgur.com/a/l7rCmKX
Ok well I clearly don't know the full story, then. Thanks for the info.
Also, I wasn't the one who downvoted you, btw.
Someone asked me to make this a top-level comment since it might get buried otherwise since it's nested deep in the thread here, so here's a very long response to the Imgur album of chat logs with the admins and all of the associated claims regarding the Discord server and its staff that's been circling around, which I hope can answer some questions: https://hexbear.net/post/3351/comment/23404
Someone else stated that “it’s kind of depressing that lgbt spaces here are empty”
This is just a matter of posting. Make it a routine to post something every day and build a community. There might only be 5 people in it to begin with actively posting, but be consistent. YOU are this community -- the userbase -- make the space what you want it to be.
This is why I post so much in the megathreads. Its totally not because I am a loser with no life.
Not c/anime :3
I mean, in total comments sure but activity is good. It's a real community. Small but not too small to be essentially on life support.
Fuck. This thing is just going to be a bunch of boring infighting and mod drama isn't it? Damn, I had hopes for it.
This is why FOSS platforms matter - you can add the features you need.
Discord and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Who would've thought that furry porn would be the death of Chapo
This update makes me sad. I don't understand how or why your messages to the shorks resulted in this escalation, everything you said seemed pretty calm and cool-headed
It's unfortunate, there's some legitimate complaints about the modship and things that can be (and are) improved on but any discussion on this is getting drowned by people who have an axe to grind
I think this community is moving in the right direction and you're doing a lot of stuff that is good and generally seem to be acting in good faith. Because of that good faith, and since you're a new mod i would like to provide gentle feedback that your conversation with Marie was a lot more productive compared to the other people, and i don't think it's a coincidence if you compare how you opened that convo compared to the others. Messaging someone out of the blue for the first time to ask if they are doing shitty stuff or that they have exactly 1, chosen by you, hour to talk is not going to set up the conversation to be productive. Like if the mayor picks one or two black lives matters protesters out of a crowd and is like "hey is it you fuckers that are starting the fires?" and "you have exactly 1 hour to make your demands and then your window closes forever" it's just straight up not going to be a healthy conversation. I would also be defensive in their position:
- I have what i think is a genuine grievance with this place (and some of their grievances are genuine - you admitted Marie should not have been banned)
- I get messaged out of the blue asking if i'm responsible for some shitty stuff (and you admit later it appears to just be one spammy guy and not even related to this)
- Then i get an ultimatum that i must drop everything and become the spokesperson for an entire group of people's grievances, and must discuss it all immediately with you during, once again, our very fucking first conversation and i only have an hour to do so with no advance notice.
I'm sorry but those actions are not good faith steps to reconciliation or hearing their "side" out. Now, i am not trying to turn this into A Thing since i think you handled the convo with Marie well, like i mentioned earlier. I just think in the future you should learn from what did and didn't work with starting a productive conversation. And obviously i am making no excuses for the mean stuff people said to you either.
I think I'm gonna leave for a bit and come back when you guys have figured out what this community is.
