Here's how Ukraine was being reported by the West before the war.
Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.
Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe
If you whitewash NAZI POGROMS just because you want to beat Russia, fuck you. Siding with far-right fascists to defeat far-right fascists doesn't make you the good guy. There is no lesser of two evils here.
If you dismiss any criticism of Ukraine as Russian propaganda, you might want to ask why the rest of the world, including the West, was concerned about Nazism in the area and then suddenly changed their tune only after the war started.
We should be getting both sides into peace negotiations, not prolonging the bloodshed and providing Nazis with illegal cluster bombs
The US funding and arming far right militias as a means of attacking a geopolitical rival has historically always been a good idea and resulted in very few consequences
I hope liberals are happy with themselves when the jet they're flying to the bahamas on gets downed by an azov stinger missile system.
The letter Z isn't the new swastika, the swastika is still the swastika and the people who wear the swastika are still the nazis
You are the only nazi supporter here you bootlicking fascist scum
The only analogy libs can even make between modern Russia and the nazis is invading another country, as if that was the worst thing the nazis ever did
Funny how the entire premise of your side relies on minimizing and whitewashing the horrors of the Holocaust
HaTiNg NaZIs MaKeS U tHe ReAl NaZi
I don't support Russian or Ukraine Nazis. Eat my ass please!
Yes the country with a Jewish president is totally nazi sure nice logic there 🙄 👍 😉 👏
The funny thing about Zelensky is not only is he Jewish, but he is a Russian speaking Jewish man. The parts of Ukraine that overwhelmingly voted for him were not the nazi hotbeds in Lviv but the Russian separatist regions of Donbass and Luhansk. Turns out support for Zelensky was strongest in the regions that wanted to leave in the first place? Why is this? Because Zelensky ran on a peace platform, and presented himself as in favor of Minsk II, against escalation with Russia, and not as much of a rabid reactionary as the (US-backed, nazi-glorifying) Petro Poroshenko, who was put in power through a transparent US-backed right-wing coup during Euromaidan in 2014.
The people in the Donbass and Luhansk regions mostly speak Russian. They were part of Russia historically, but Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev all granted more land to the Ukrainian SSR in an attempt to keep them happy and better integrate the agriculture with the industry.
This is why there was strong Russian identity in those regions, and strong separatist tendencies. The west half of Ukraine meanwhile, especially near Lviv, is the home of the most far right parts of Ukrainian society, who want to be part of NATO, who glorify nazi collaborators like Bandera, who join fascist street gangs like C14 and ethnically cleanse Roma people living in tents.
Zelensky presented himself as wanting to prevent the Ukrainian civil war (going on since 2014) from escalating into a full scale war with Russia, but after he got in office, he made few efforts to actually do this, and rather turned out to be a quite willing collaborator with the United States, and was willing to turn a blind eye to the reactionaries despite himself being a Russian-speaking Jewish man. He made a big show at the beginning of the presidency of filming himself "confronting" Azov battalion and telling them to put down their weapons. But guess what? He had no mechanism of enforcement. They didn't take him seriously, and made clear their intention to violate any and all attempts to de-escalate. Zelensky, being a man who is Jewish and speaks Russia, is actually the perfect mascot this shit, because his surface appearance covers up the underlying reality. of the Banderite situation in Ukraine.
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Just because someone speaks Russian doesn't make them pro putin the people in the east know all about Russian Brotherhood it why the keep putting all the roadside bombs under Russian vehicles
My brother/sister/nb in Christ who do you think has been dropping bombs on people in the East for nearly the past decade?
Just because someone is jewish doesn't make them anti nazi
Nice bit
you had me for a second there but them you did the "But I have black friends" thing, complete with boomer Facebook emotesNice make belive arguments that I never made there buddy maybe I should let you and your straw man have some private time
Dirt Owl is our comrade not your buddy, get it right
Nice make belive arguments that I never made there buddy maybe I should let you and your straw man have some private time
You defend fascist Ukraine. You are a fascist defender and fascist defenders are bad people
And I take it there is zero racism in America after Obama became president?
What has that got to do with this argument?
You said that it's not possible for a country to have Nazi elements if it had a Jewish president. I pointed out that this is an illogical statement, as the USA still had plenty of anti black racism, even at the institutional level, while having a black president. So it's definitely possible for a country to have Nazi elements and a Jewish president, just as it is possible for a country to have a black president and anti black racist elements in it's social fabric.
There is likely lots of racism in modern day Russia, but I don't see what that has to do with your argument.
Zelenskkkyyyy is a Nazi, his name literally starts with "Z" and you dare call us Z apologists lol
You wouldn't know a Nazis if they were goose stepping right in front of you. Nazis obviously do not care for Jewish people but their real enemy is and has always been the left. Otto Skorzeni litterally worked on behalf of the Israeli government. Walther Rauff, the inventor of "gas vans" also worked for Israel. About a dozen Nazis war criminals worked for Israel, and both the Nazis and the Israeli government knew this. Contemporary Nazis fucking love Israel because they've created a white ethnostate and admire their ability to have done so.
So to answer your question can Ukraine have a Nazi problem with a Jewish head of state? Absolutely, Nazis have no problem working with Jewish people when it serves their interests and it has served their interest to work with Zelensky because people such as yourself who are incapable of seeing through this thin veil guzzle the propaganda willingly and supported giving them a fuck ton of weapons to carry out pogroms on Roma and Russians.
Now your just babbling incoherent nonsense moral equivalence fallacy
if timeToReadText > myAttentionSpan:text = incoherentNonsenseprint( projection[random.randint(1,1000)] )You don't know what words mean and it makes it very difficult to educate you. Watch this video
Fallacy is a countable noun, it needs to be pluralized in this context
Also, independent of that, you're a fucking idiot
Do you think that anti-black racism stopped existing in America while Obama was president
Good to know everything a fascist movement needs to gain the unconditional support of unwitting liberals is to put a token jewish person on top. They could literally march all the others to the camps you would be cheering them saying "well the president is jewish so they cant be fascist."
Lol. Does anyone have that video of the fascist leader talking about how Zelensky makes great cover for their activities?
The “explicitly leftist” midwest.social sure aren’t sending their best
Ever hear of Emil Maurice, friend and bodyguard to Hitler, Founding member of the SS, Jewish, Honorary Aryan by decree?
Jewish people can, have, and do support nazis. Its actually racist to think that because of their heritage they are incapable of doing such. Its as bad as saying "African Americans love fried chicken."
are you deliberately or only accidentally unable to distinguish between being a "Z apologist" and simply recognizing that the United Snakes created the current geopolitical situation by pitting former Soviet countries against each other and pouring money into the most reactionary ghouls in both Russia and Ukraine?
don't actually live in Russia?
I'm not Russian, but you know people besides Americans use the internet right?
Russia pit Slavic country's against each other funny how eastern Europe hates Russia just because they have done nothing but bring suffering and death to that region of the world for centuries funny how they want to align with the west and have money and health care and be able to live and not have Russian missiles fall on there head but america bad
america bad
See? You can still be right even as you spew nonsense and false equivalencies.
How do you get this confused you would be on the side of Hitler in world war 2
I invite you to consider that for most of their history the US was very pro nazi. The USSR is one of the few groups that has been consistently anti-nazi
Nazis? In my North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the West German government at all levels and...
sound like you don't know what you are talking about. Germany and Japan first aligned themselves in the Anti-Comintern Pact which was literally an anti-communist alliance. The axis in ww2 was literally born as an anti-communist project. You are confused, you are so confused you would have sided with Hitler in world war 2.
props to your dentist for dealing with the consequences of the raw sewage propaganda you happily choose to slurp down.
your keyboard has a button to place breaks between sentences. Please utilize it.
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The fact that you're typing and posting so quickly that you can't even use punctuation also implies you're not putting a lot of thought into reading and understanding what people are telling you. And now I'm editing in a second sentence so that I need punctuation. I don't feel like getting a childish comeback in my inbox.
do you know what “literal” means? maybe the “literal nazis” are the people literally sporting nazi symbols, literally conducting pogroms and segregation on Roma people, and literally using cluster munitions against civilians in the Donbas
btw i used all western sources
Yep cause Russia sure ain't bombing civilians Ukraine dropping them right on these civilian trenches
notice how my argument is well sourced while yours has zero evidence presented. ur comeback doesnt even make sense— use some damn punctuation! and “civilian trenches”? lol! please try to be coherent
Hey please allow yourself a Peak on the Real story , if you have the Curage ...
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civilian trenches
if your front yard is a trench the HOA is gonna get mad
Why do people keep doing this? Why this deflection against admitting that there are many Nazis in the UA military establishment? Is it that important for you that UA be as pure and white as driven snow?
Why do people keep doing this? Why this defection against admitting that there are many nazi in the Russian military establishment? Is it that important for you that Russia be as pure as piss yellow snow
Nah dude round them all up and shoot them in the head I don't care. I don't have a dog in this race, I just hope someone finds a way to get peace talks under way to end the killing, and that NATO is weakened in the end.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/19/zrjy-j19.html
UN report confirms Ukrainians’ use of civilians as “human shields”
In March, the Ukrainian government blamed Russian forces for the deaths of more than 50 elderly and disabled residents of a care home in the village of Stara Krasnyanka in the eastern province of Lugansk. According to Ukrainian officials, a fire broke out in the facility following a supposedly unprovoked attack on the innocents by Russian forces.
In reality—in a case the report found to be “emblematic” of the war—on March 7, days before the attack, Ukrainian forces had taken up positions within the care home “as it had strategic value due to its proximity to an important road.” Previous requests by the facility to local Ukrainian authorities to evacuate residents were denied due to the fact that Kiev had mined the surrounding area and blocked roads, thereby preventing anyone from fleeing.
Do you see what's happening? These fucking nazi fucks who have absolutely zero respect for human life are manipulating you with lies about atrocities by deliberately putting their own citizens in the crossfire of a war. This is the kind of shit nazis do. And your own institutions are the ones calling them out for it, not just the other side. And you just don't hear it.
This is my favorite thing y'all do. When you're presented something from a source you normally would trust on other subjects, but because it contradicts your preconceived notions its "insane".
Libs always reveal themselves to be homophobic (stop sucking Putin's dick) or ableist (you are fucking insane) when you push them hard enough.
I try to be fair about that second one because while I try to do so I haven't cut "insane" out of my vocabulary either, but you're right.
To be fair having beliefs that are not based in and are actually counter to material reality is pretty much the definition of insanity.
Saying something or someone is "insane" is a recognition that their beliefs are contrary to your own to such a degree that there is no reconciling them.
Sanity is a social construct based on shared belief and as such the lines are blurred on what is and is not sane, eg. in a evangelical christian setting belief in evolution is "insane."
Also it was from a Russian lead grupe while Russia had the secretary General position
It appears that you are indeed that far up your ass. McCarthyite levels of paranoia and delusion.
Like they painted all the walls red at the general assembly.
- you need to watch this emoji gif in it's entirety as it explains the war.
If there are ever consequences the US will leverage the consequences into justification for their next imperial project. They literally cannot lose in this particular dynamic. Only multipolarity or the ceiling of profit they can extract via financialization will stall this empire. Luckily both are beginning to happen. Also I’m dumb, there’s probably other stuff too.
Yea but multipolarity almost always guarantees global war between competing capitalist powers
I’m a bit out of my depth here, I don’t know history enough and don’t retain knowledge well. I feel like monopolarity hasn’t been a great thing for anyone who isn’t part of the NATO aligned countries. The US has intentionally bombed and blockaded countries to the point of infrastructure collapse and kept them in this state sometimes for decades. We’ve supported and instigated coups that have been followed up with death squads murdering hundreds of thousands. On the other hand world wars have a huge death toll and a higher likelihood of life ending nuclear war. I feel like any perceived stability that comes with monopolarity is a mirage that only exists for a fraction of the population, and multipolarity while potentially deadly also represents a world where less powerful people and nations may find new options for support. Like many countries turning to the Chinese Yuan for global trade. Yet nuclear war and world war with their massive potential death toll seems real bad. Someone better at history and geopolitics help me determine what’s worse.
Afaik the hope isn't for stable mulipolarity, it's more that a multipolar world has a chance to free the planet from USian domination, and if the US hegemony further collapses it opens up the possibility of seriously addressing global warming, amidst other things.
So like you were saying, its more about opportunities for change, rather than an end unto itself. Believe me, I have really mixed feelings about this. I live in America, and am disabled, so a serious collapse or destruction of American power will probably be really bad for me personally, despite creating hope for the world. : p
as a wise man once said, we're trapped in belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death.
Im not arguing for unipolarity and regardless of what anyone thinks or wants we’re heading in the one direction towards american decline and the rise of alternative power blocs. I just feel that people should have sober expectations about what that has historically meant
The general intensity and frequency of wars hasn't actually increased or decreased since the bipolar world ended in 1991
Tens of millions died during the Cold War and tens of millions have died under US unipolarty
The matter isn't decided by the number of players, but by nuclear deterrence, military buildup and class conflict in the Third World
Its beyond my mind who you call yourself a communist while cheering on a racist facist colonizer at least china plays lip service to being communist Russia doesn't even pretend but you people will still larp for them
someone shits on the USA and you pretend it was a statement of uncritical support for Russia
colonization is when russians aren't genocided and get to live in russia
wanna decolonize eastern ukraine and crimea? give them to kazakhstan
You know how on your liberal forums there would always be some MAGA guy who just came in and unloaded all of the deranged shit that they bounce around in their echo chambers in one compressed buzzword soup?
racist
Show me links to prove this. I have read multiple interviews from Putin all the way down to soldiers on the front line who all say that this whole war is stupid because they see Ukrainians as their brothers. There are multiple ethnicities in Russia and somehow they manage to get along quite well.
facist
That's not how you spell the word "fascist." "Fascism" is a is a word with a meaning. It does not apply to Russia as it is now. Maybe don't use words that you don't understand and cant spell.
Working archive links for all of those videos just in case any of them goes down:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140228232131/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY
https://web.archive.org/web/20140907084820/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKnFSzMefIY
https://web.archive.org/web/20170905090805/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiBXmbkwiSw
https://web.archive.org/web/20170714144930/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpV16BQfbrQ
https://web.archive.org/web/20190407192642/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meWM4lChqy4
https://web.archive.org/web/20180404143154/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6b4ao8gAQ
https://web.archive.org/web/20201101184729/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsHBdyqKpfo
https://web.archive.org/web/20210129113645/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4
https://web.archive.org/web/20210516085544/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC1oCpnDURc
I need to start doing this yesterday.
There's so many deleted videos in my youtube playlists and I don't even know what some of them were anymore
One of my criticisms of oppressive censorship programs is they don't really seem necessary. You don't have to hide this stuff, people aren't going to go looking for it.
There's a content restriction on the last one. You should use a Piped link for it.
someone already got the videos archived with web archive, see this reply
Can't wait to be gassed for being queer by Nazis while being told not to worry because the gas is just propaganda sweaty
I love how liberals view the war in a vacuum, like Ukraine hasn't been carrying out pogroms on ethnic Russians (and other minorities) since Euromaidan kicked off and gave absolute literal neo-nazis power and backing from the west. No it's just Russia are the real nazis, Ukraine is an innocent child baby country, war crime yada yada
somebody should tell all these
s- their principled opposition to the Iraq war in 2003-20?? was actually Baathist propaganda sweetie
- they were all just bots shilling for Saddam Hussein
- and also how dare they stand against the freedom loving and liberation focused Coalition of The Willing which is there to STOP torture and extrajudicial executions
- there will be no consequences for backing violent extremists in the region because their thirst for the blood of our geopolitical rivals is well under control and easily manipulated
- what's ISIS? you mean the thing from TV's Archer?
Anyone who defends Ukraine at all is scum and almost certainly a far-right ass
Succdems and liberals siding with fascists during times of crisis. Who could have seen that coming? 🙄
See my profile, I’ve been arguing with a bad person about this for days. “But Russia is also bad, therefore I must pretend to be above the fray, even though all of my words and actions and thoughts support amerikkka!”
Can you please not use that phrase in the first sentence?
Pfft we're on the unavoidable thing on Maui now, but slava until we mark them as terrorists and then have to invade and seize the remains of their private sector...a few bad apples
The only good thing an Azovite ever did was starve to death in the basement of a steel factory
Don´t you know that when Azov was integrated into the Ukrainian military they instantly transformed into fighters for democracy, equality of LGBTQI+ people and protectors of the freedom of all minorities? /s (Believe it or not, this is what people on reddit will tell you when you point out that Azov are Neonazis)
Similarly to the fucked up, twisted irony that descendants of the Holocaust were modern pioneers of settler-colonialism and ethnic cleansing in Palestine, it's completely and utterly fucked that Eastern Europe has fallen so deeply into the grip of fascism. It's true that the Ukrainians were treated somewhat differently out of pragmatic considerations by the Nazis, but they were still considered 'Untermenschen'.
It's especially galling when the Ukraine was the economically best off part of the Soviet Union, and center of incredible culture, science, technology. But you don't see these fucks praising an iota of what was unequivocally the best time to be alive in Ukrainian history. Because they don't care about the quality of life of ordinary people. They're predatory, nihilistic death-cultists who should be wiped from the face of the earth.
History often has a sick sense of humor.
mmmm dats good Nazi
