How many dead Palestinian kids will it take for you to change your vote?
They've explicitly told us it's perfectly fine to sacrifice entire demographic groups for the sake of poltical expediency
What the libs have done is create an avenue of least resistance, where the party elites correctly understand they're free to condemn whole demographics to death to purchase the poltical loyalty of others
This is quite literally the death of solidarity and labor organizing in the United States and there's no coming back from that
Today it's Palestinians and immigrants, tomorrow it's native americans and trans people and on and on until they reach the one demographic they've always wanted to dump and destroy; the black working class
This is how fascism in America truly comes about, and so many have already failed what even five years ago would've been called the easiest test imaginable
The dems normalized genocide, it's Joever folks, this is what unplugging the life support of a left tradition looks like
My sister who's literal job is human rights law just told me I am selfish because as a dude my rights are not harmed in the US by Trump so I am "allowed" to favor the rights of Palestinians. Absolute ghoul. I think it really bothers her that we tacitly agree on most everything, but I am willing to stand by my values.
It's frightening how immediately hostile people become when they encounter someone who actually has principles and beliefs. The sudden aggression and attempts at coercion are always shocking.
They tell themselves that whatever they do is correct, it is the most anyone could be asked to do. And so those of us who challenge that make them confront the fact that they are cowards, that they are complicit
Newacctidk's sister is right. One can have principles and still live in the real world. Dooming the Palestinians AND hundreds of other groups is called being callous, not principled.
Y'all lesser eviled yourselves in to genocide. I didn't condemn anyone. Democrats did. I've been trying to fight this shit my entire adult life. I've been fighting for decades. I've seen the loathing, the contempt, the hate in the eyes of nice, boring, middle income, fascist democrats. I always saw what you are but I didn't understand what I was seeing. I won't take the last step in to hell with you. I tried to stop this. You're on your own. God damn you all.
Dooming Palestinians for your own benefit is callous, not principled you stupid fucking dweeb.
Yes I'm certain Kamala "the law is the law" Harris will do all she can to help the many people she's deported, just as soon as she's confirmed in her belief that there is no consequence for committing a genocide.
Surely voting for someone committing a genocide will only have the best of results for other marginalised groups she's already shown she has, at the very best, a neutral attitude towards.
Hey fuckface: The Dems are also persecuting those groups. The Dems were the ones that THIS YEAR cracked down on student protesters, yet I am to believe that they will somehow "protect democracy"? Literally insane. Actual doublethink.Now here's also a novel concept: You do not support palestinians if you are murdering them. Saying you do something actually means fuck all. Thoughts and prayers might make you feel good, but that doesn't stop the children from being burned alive.
If I find out who you are and meet you, then I will stab you. This is an actionable threat.
Dooming the Palestinians guarantees the doom of the other groups you dumb fuck, are you seriously under the delusion that state institutions once wedded to the industrial mechanisms of genocide will simply set those tools aside because what? They just really, really, really, didn't like Palestinians and that's all?
The population control techniques of Israeli fascism are already in the text books of US law enforcement agencies, Israeli AI software that selects civilian families for slaughter will and have already been sold to the US military, the "right" of the US National Guard to mow down civilians has already been enshrined by executive order, IOF soldiers are literally stalking US campuses to dox and threaten any students who speak up......just where the fuck do you think this leading to
You're literally as delusional as a German in 1934 telling this friends that Hitler "will stop at the Jews, I promise" lmao get a fuckin grip you quisling
Name any principle you hold so dearly that it would prevent you from voting for Kamala Harris
you should be made to eat literal shit while being forced to look at pictures of starving Palestinian children until you dieSeriously fuck you, you disgusting spineless fascist worm
You deserve to be beaten to death with a rubber hose
A simpler rephrasing of this sentiment is "We must murder every Palestinian to prevent the death of vulnerable groups here." How is this an acceptable position to you? Even if it was completely fruitless I would prefer to stand against the slaughter of an entire people than partake in the system perpetuating it, I can't in good conscience do otherwise. We can do more than vote.
It's also possible to neither have principles nor live in reality. You are a prime example.
You support genocide. Your opinion means nothing to me because you support genocide.
Ask her why
, in power right now, with expanded executive powers thanks to the Supreme Court, hasn't done a damn thing to help on this issue? It's so fucking dumb these people pretend they are powerless when they get elected. And so many people keep falling for it 
unless she's incompetent at her job she knows the US is blatantly breaking its own laws to arm Israel
So did she support Tara Reade or is she only pretending to care about women?
They don't care because 'trump will kill more' is the logic. They have done a mental trick where they convince themselves they aren't voting 'for genocide', they're voting 'against Tcump'. They refuse to accept that they are just doing the good old 'ends justify the means' calculus, and instead claim 'harm reduction'
As Malcom X said: 'The White liberal is the worst enemy to America'
Like how is Trump going to genocide worse? They acknowledge Harris is doing genocide, and then say Trump will be worse, and it's like... EVERYONE IS GONNA BE FUCKING DEAD YOU CAN'T DO WORSE THAN EVERYONE IS DEAD.
I probably need to log off I'm going to need to log off for the night.
Literally heard them say "Trump will let them use nukes"
And it's like
You know why they usually genocide people?
To take their stuff!
They're not going to nuke them, they want the land!
Also, the wind from the Mediterranean would blow the fallout from a Gaza nuke directly to the east. The reason people have nukes is to attack countries on the other side of the world, not their neighbors. Multiple Hiroshima's worth of conventional bombs have already been dropped since 10/7...
This is one of the reasons I'm a little worried for Yemen. They're exactly the sort of target the Israeli government might consider dropping nukes on. A relatively distant country that's been a major pain in their ass, which they have no intention of invading, and which wouldn't be a fallout issue for them.
Fortunately, they can't hit Yemen without radiation hitting KSA or Djibouti, their collaborators.
I highly doubt that the Israeli government thinks of either the citizenry or the ruling class of either of those countries as equals worthy of protection from harm.
No but nuking them would make enemies out of them, cut off their Red Sea access permanently, and likely align the whole Muslim world firmly against them.
and likely align the whole Muslim world firmly against them.
What would they do against a country willing and able to launch nukes?
5 nukes is not going to give you dictatorial power over 300 million people spread across 4 time zones. The Zionist regime survives because it is able to make passive bystanders out of its neighbors. It would not survive the loss of that situation.
Ah yes a nuke would be so much worse than the... thousands of bombs currently being thrown at refugee camps
I do believe Israel would do it though. Yes it is incredibly stupid, only something someone with a babys understanding of the world would even consider, but then again... It's Israel.
The question I always wonder is, even if Trump's genocide would be worse, do you think the Palestinian people care about the degree to which they're being genocided?
Right? Genocide has one conclusion: extermination. What is greater or lesser in extermination?
Trump will use Juche necromancy taught to him by
to revive and re-kill a couple children. 
Trump loves money. One of the best ways best way for him to get more money once in power is increasing our military spending on Israel aid, that’s the “but worse” part. In what world do you think he’d do the inverse of maintaining his power? There’s a reason the military industrial complex wants him in power
From a .world account
Trump's money, whatever he has, is all in real estate, isn't it? Like this is silly libshit but it's not even vaguely true afaik. Trump doesn't know shit about the MIC and afaik the military brass, DoD, and MIC execs don't like him.
They don't think Democrats have tons of $ invested in military stocks?
I'd say they aren't sending their best, but the sad thing is that they are.
Wasn't Trump the guy who fired Bolton? Didn't he fire Bolton for being a warhawk?
The war criminal Richard Cheney
who had nothing to do with 9/11? That can't be right, who would think his endorsement would be a good thing?
...
Yeah and she's campaigning with his daughter for some reason
Wasn’t Trump the guy who fired Bolton? Didn’t he fire Bolton for being a warhawk?
Literally yes, in 2019 i think when entire USA pushed for the war with Iran, then they backed off in last moment, but Bolton didn't get the memo and was sacked for poor reflex in being a warhawk. Funniest thing came later when he wrote a very salty book in which he accused Trump of multiple instances of being unamerican like stopping from attacking Iran, knowing on map where China is, having a common sense to not blindly attack it though entire Pacific, cooling out some Holdens rep senators and such
Funniest thing came later when he wrote a very salty book in which he accused Trump of multiple instances of being unamerican like stopping from attacking Iran, knowing on map where China is, having a common sense to not blindly attack it though entire Pacific
but also 
The republicans are the party of the petite bourgeois who are generally more isolationist than neolibs. They support Israel for culture war reasons but if supporting actually started hurting their boat dealerships they'd start calling Trump to redirect aid to building more border walls.
I know several magats who somewhat oppose Israel and Ukraine through the lens of wasting taxpayer money. They still see Palestinians as subhumans though.
'trump will kill more' is the logic
We don't actually know what will happen with Trump. He is a petty, dumb, narcissist who acts like a weather vane for his advisors. He could decide to drop a nuke on the region, or he could get triggered by something on Twitter and decide to stop all arms to get back at Netanyahu.
We know what the Democrats will do. They're doing it now. Acting so sad while pouring truckloads of money into the kid crushing machine.
This isn't an endorsement of Trump, lurkers. Vote 3rd party or leave President blank. Neither major candidate earned your vote.
100% agree with this. Vote 3rd party Claudia or Stein and organize your community. We need more unions and we all need to strike. The only thing that can stop the machine is if we withhold labour
Voting for Adolf Hitler to keep out Joseph Goebbels
We can't even really use the Nazis as an example anymore. The Germans had multiple parties with some daylight between them. We've got two flavors of Nazis.
'trump will kill more'
It hurts when people who should be smart use this line.
It won't matter because nobody will know. Trump and Kamala aren't going to be President at the same time.
If Trump wins, any deaths will be said to be his fault and an imagined Kamala presidency wouldn't have let THAT many die. If Kamala wins any number of dead Palestinians will be less than the amount that an imagined Trump presidency would have been responsible for.
Also it's a genocide. The end point is extermination. It's the same number.
"So what you're saying is, the ends justify the means? No no, i get it, it just....that sounds pretty Stalinist, you know?"
I can at least have fun with these assholes
There's a scene in the tv show The Shield where its explained that a method of tricking a polygraph is to simply envision another question in your mind and answer that instead of the one presented.
That's what this feels like from liberals. They've erased the thing out loud (they are currently supporting a genocide) and replaced it with something in their head (they are opposing Trump). Except they keep saying the Trump part out loud as a counter to the genocide part.
Maybe Harris should, IDK, stop sending Israel weapons then? She's only the Vice President right now...
I'm sure when she loses to Trump it won't be for lack of trying. She had some very stern words about wanting to stop the violence against both Israeli and Palestinian civilians
who do you think is sending the weapons to
? there is very little difference between trump and harrisThis is a galaxy brain take. Beyond galaxy actually. A take that truly shows a deep understanding of geopolitics and strategy. Vote for genocide, to prevent genocide. I can't believe I didn't think of that
"You still don't get it! I'm using war as a business to get elected! So I can end war as a business..."
Literal Armstrong-tier analysis
They are putting palestinians in concentration camps right now and burying them in mass graves. Somehow the extermination of the palestinian people will be more exterminationy under Trump. Do you not understand what is going on or do you not understand what a genocide is? The answer is of course neither: You do know what is going on and you either support it or just do not give a shit about brown people. But at least say that, instead of having us pretend like it's anything else.
At least republicans have the decency not to pretend to be human.reads modlog
Wow... its like... yesterday's don't exist.
Dems could have spent the last 50 years or so trying to codify Roe as a fucking law but were too cowardly to do any more than hide behind a Supreme Court decision formulated on "privacy" instead of "medical care" all the while fundraising off of the threat that the forced birth crowd and Republicans are gonna take away abortion services every few years there is an election cycle.
And guess what happened?
Roe was overturned by the Supreme Court packed by right wingers who spent the last 50 years working towards this goal.
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
First time a tragedy, second time a farce. My mom has been sending me these pre-written harangues to vote for Bomb-ala and this is all I can think of. The Democrats have already thrown Palestine under the bus. They have already thrown the people, families, and children at the southern border under the bus. Do you honestly think they are going to care about queers when it's no longer expedient? Seriously?
if dick fucking cheney and enthusiastic support for genocide won't break you from blue no matter who, what could?
Congratulations on succesfully creating a lemmitor honeypot, Mr. Mayor
This feat has become increasingly difficult as the libs have sealed themselves off in their echo-chambers.
Good heavens, would you look at the time?
I would love to be able to send out a Kamala jab to people in my life and have them laugh along instead of distancing themselves from me lololol
Why do people take this shit so seriously
Leftists have as much credibility where if you don’t like Kamala where I live, you’re basically certified MAGA
I'm not going to pick arguments over votes in the presidential election, I'd be better off trying to bail out the high tide.
If voting isn't worth a whole lot, it's not worth arguing with a liberal and making them double down, because that's all that's going to come of it.
The ones said that they have to vote against Trump because he's so mean. Even though Florida is no longer a swing state. Like they get and agree with me that this is an long-running campaign of genocide, they have come to detest the Israelis for their brutality but, Trump winning in 2016 just broke their brains enough that they can't imagine doing anything but voting for Democrats, no matter how much they resemble the Bush era ghouls they hated.
When you confront them with it, the cognitive dissonance is there, and it presents itself as getting hostile when being confronted with their voting for people currently committing genocide. They try to avoid that contradiction by changing the subject as soon as they can. The TV really makes them think Trump is the source and only problem in this world, even though I've told them repeatedly it isn't the case.
Hell, I remember when we were politically active liberals pre-Trump, and my mother displayed symptoms of what we now call Trump Derangement Syndrome, but, towards John Boehner of all people. She would talk with the same hatred every liberal has for Trump but, towards that guy, of all people, saying he was basically the root of all evil in this country. They always need, I guess, a Bonapartist figure to manifest their negative partisanship towards and I'm at a loss of how to break through.
My dad was the most crushing to hear, since his hatred for Putin as a scapegoat by the neocons for Trump winning, has made him invested in reading about the Ukraine war online. When I told him of my anger towards the Democrats on Gaza, he basically said that in the grand scheme of things, he doesn't really care since the American political establishment will never change anything on that issue. My takeaway from that was, at least his vote can change whether the orange Putin man is in charge or not. He's been that disillusioned ever since Bernie lost and showed the electoral system for what it is.
Anyways, we all voted yesterday.
he really is the greatest investment they ever made. they never have to fulfill a campaign promise again.
calls it "moral envy"
